[Official Thread] XBOX360 - Aspettando Fable 2

[cangia]

Originariamente inviato da dani&l

è una modalità coop.... mai giocato a giochi con modalità coop ? Il secondo giocatore comanda... un secondo giocatore

In pratica due pg e due cani.

essendo fable anche un rpg... ipotizziamo che io mi porto avanti il mio protagonista nella storia e lo faccio avanzare di livello, continuo con la trama principale, ecc ecc .. e a 1/3 del gioco entra un mio amico e inizia a giocarci anche lui .. come verrà rapportato questo nuovo protagonista nella trama del gioco ? Inizierà dal livello 1 , oppure verà rapportato al livello del mio pg ?

[dani&l]

Originariamente inviato da cangia

essendo fable anche un rpg... ipotizziamo che io mi porto avanti il mio protagonista nella storia e lo faccio avanzare di livello, continuo con la trama principale, ecc ecc .. e a 1/3 del gioco entra un mio amico e inizia a giocarci anche lui .. come verrà rapportato questo nuovo protagonista nella trama del gioco ? Inizierà dal livello 1 , oppure verà rapportato al livello del mio pg ?

non ne ho idea.... è anche possibile invitare un giocatore online per cui non so come abbiano gestito questa cosa.

[cangia]

se fek legge ci illumini su questo aspetto

[maggiore scia]

altre pics qua:
http://www.oxm.co.uk/article.php?id=6171
semplicemente sublime.
prima o poi arriverà su pc se no mi devo ricomprare una 360.

questa fa proprio male,in senso positivo.

[Radagast?]

http://www.spaziogames.it/content2/n...no=2008&mese=9

Altre 5 nuove immagini

[Arus]

Che spettacolo ragazzi, sembra che il gioco migliori giorno dopo giorno.

[VelenoX79]

la grafica e davvero da sturbo,non vedo l'ora che esce....

[cangia]

http://www.multiplayer.it/articolo.php?id=26990

provato dai colleghi di multiplayer.it ...

inziamo la raccolta fondi per fare una statua a grandezza naturale in marmo e pietre preziose a Fek

[Maverick18]

Originariamente inviato da VelenoX79

la grafica e davvero da sturbo,non vedo l'ora che esce....

Tutti non vediamo l'ora che esca.

[dani&l]

Originariamente inviato da cangia

http://www.multiplayer.it/articolo.php?id=26990

provato dai colleghi di multiplayer.it ...

inziamo la raccolta fondi per fare una statua a grandezza naturale in marmo e pietre preziose a Fek

letto... vabbè è rimasta invariata la parte di "dialogo" fatta da puzzette e posizioni varie, anche le quest di esempio, nonostante avessero detto di aver curato di più lo spessore, mi sembrano le classiche di fable (fai l'azione buona o quella cattiva), anche se ad onor del vero l'esempio di quello che poi succederà in base alle scelte compiute amplia di fatto queste cose aggiungendoli quello "spessore" che mancava.

Poi la maggior libertà, il gameplay migliorato con l'aggiunta del cane, e tante piccole chicche sembrano comunque dar luce a un bel gioco , veramente interessante.

Ottimo, non vedo l'ora di perdermi nelle terre di Albion

[introspective]

Originariamente inviato da dani&l

letto... vabbè è rimasta invariata la parte di "dialogo" fatta da puzzette e posizioni varie, anche le quest di esempio, nonostante avessero detto di aver curato di più lo spessore, mi sembrano le classiche di fable (fai l'azione buona o quella cattiva), anche se ad onor del vero l'esempio di quello che poi succederà in base alle scelte compiute amplia di fatto queste cose aggiungendoli quello "spessore" che mancava.

Poi la maggior libertà, il gameplay migliorato con l'aggiunta del cane, e tante piccole chicche sembrano comunque dar luce a un bel gioco , veramente interessante.

Ottimo, non vedo l'ora di perdermi nelle terre di Albion

è il fable che avrei sempre voluto

[Amon 83]

mi consigliate di prenderlo x pc o x 360? il tv full hd e il buon pc non mi mancano vorrei sapere se mi conviene prenderlo x 360potendolo giocare con tutti i dettagli max come se fossi sul pc oppure se sulla 360 mi " perdo qualcosa"

[Maverick18]

Originariamente inviato da Amon 83

mi consigliate di prenderlo x pc o x 360? il tv full hd e il buon pc non mi mancano vorrei sapere se mi conviene prenderlo x 360potendolo giocare con tutti i dettagli max come se fossi sul pc oppure se sulla 360 mi " perdo qualcosa"

Perchè, è stato già annunciato per pc ?

[[Alex]]

Originariamente inviato da Maverick18

Perchè, è stato già annunciato per pc ?

a me non risulta

[Maverick18]

Originariamente inviato da [Alex]

a me non risulta

Idem, che poi in futuro esca, probabile.

Nel frattempo ecco un'intervista al mulino:

Basically you're finished, how does it feel?
You know the funny thing is, I've been through this a lot, it's never really finished because, for me, I'm just about to go from here tomorrow morning at 7am, I go to the airport and I fly to Las Vegas, Los Angeles, San Francisco, New York, Redmond, Paris, Singapore, Hong Kong, Tokyo, Sydney, Wellington and back for home. So I'm... just talking about it is quite terrifying!

But I sit back and I look at Fable 2, and I've played it a hundred times, and I'm just incredibly proud this time. I'm proud of what we've achieved and how much uniqueness is in there, and I'm proud of the fact that we're not... [pause]. I haven't made the mistakes I made in Fable 1 and tried to shove all the game features into the game, just because they were game features, and not even thought about pacing. You know, I'm immensely proud of what we've done. The story is incredible.

So have you fulfilled your original vision?
I think so, yeah. I think you can measure me by this game, I'd say that. If you don't find Fable 2 cool then I shouldn't be a designer any more, I don't think.

It's interesting you mention mistakes it Fable 1, because what I wanted to ask was, Fable 1 I thought was a great game and...
It wasn't a great game, it was a flawed game.

...well what I wanted to say was, a lot of the criticism from the reviews at the time was that it didn't match what you were promising.
Exactly, that's exactly right. I use my... I'm gonna be very harsh on myself. I use my reputation. Now I didn't do this because I'm some PR guru, I did this because when I talk to you I'm a kid showing off my toys at Christmas, that's who I am. I just can't help myself getting excited and saying, 'you've got this and this and this.' And I talked to you lot and I put this game up here [raises hand in the air], and when you looked at it, it was actually there [lowers hand].

So it came down from where it actually was, so of course what are you going to write? 'I thought it was so much more,' that's what you're going to write. Now on Fable 2, I've pitched the game here [raises hand again] but I think the game's up here [raises hand higher]. So when you write about it, I hope you're going to say, 'this is a lot more than what I expected.' That's what my secret plan is.

Did you make a conscious decision not to, say, over-sell the game?
Absolutely. In fact I'd said to the world... I wrote this letter and I really meant that letter and if you look at... there was Peter Molyneux talking to the press before that letter and after that, so everything in that letter I meant. And I said, 'Look, I'm sorry. I oversold it, I got too excited. I realise that I spoke about features before they were in the game.'

And I really meant what I said, so everything in Fable 2... firstly I've only spoken about the stuff I could demonstrate. I've never talked about the story, I've never talked about how it all links together. So when you actually play the game, you actually see what I mean by the dog and the combat and the simulation and stuff like that. I want you to come away and say, 'Why didn't he tell me about this?!' because it's really exciting, because that is so much cooler. I think it was just me not thinking properly in Fable 1. I think I had a duty to prove to the world that, you know, I could be responsible.

Did you find it hard to take that step back, as it were?
What I found is that I had to bite my lip an awful lot and, you know when you guys asked questions I had to say like, 'I'm not gonna tell them about that,' even though I was passionate to tell them about that, and you know it's been a learning experience. People have noted my knuckles were white as I'm gripping the chair trying not to say anything [laughs]

So with the second game in the can now, you're satisfied with everything? There's nothing you'd add or change?
Um, there's low spots in the game and it's no one's fault that these low spots are there, it's just there's a lot to this game. You've got to remember that we're not building a corridor game here where you can say "right, in one hour fifteen minutes, someone's going see that light and we're going make that light like this."

I think the lip-sync is pretty bad, you know, the quality of the animation falls off, you know, quite a lot, I think the navigation can be a bit dodgy sometimes, I think the dog can... get a bit fractured sometimes. But those are sideline issues, you're not going care about those, they're technical issues, and I wish we'd had time to polish every single tiny second of the game.

But you don't want me to do that, you want an experience, and what I'm most happy with is the experience that people are getting when they play through this game. And the only people that have played through this game is the team that's worked on it, and they're the ones that normally turn round to me and say, "What the **** were you playing at!?" And they're the ones now in Fable 2 and everybody at Lionhead said Fable is different to any other game they've played before, it's a unique experience and it's better. The game is actually better than they thought it would be.

That must put your expectations for the reception pretty high, especially considering the first game was in the top three selling Xbox games
Yep, it was in the top three selling Xbox games. It surprised Microsoft so much. They didn't understand that. Microsoft is a very formulaic driven company, you know, "If you get this in reviews then it equals this sales." And it beat their sales forecast by a factor of 3. That's still a record for them. I learnt a long time ago, there's no way to predict what a game's going to be selling like. There's just no way.

I don't know how it's going to be received, I've no idea. I think if people don't look for problems in Fable, if they don't care so much about jaws moving in the exact time with the lip-syncing, it might do well. But if people want to criticise... there's things to criticise in Fable 2, I'll be absolutely honest with you. I think though, it's the things that you've yet to discover that really will give Fable 2 its rightful score.

One of the ways to predict how well it will do on the market will be your competition. I mean, do you see much competition in this business or even inside Microsoft's own line up?
It's insane the competition. I wish this industry wouldn't be so Christmas focused because, you know, as a gamer... because I am a gamer as well, I don't know which way to turn. If we just start with Fable 2, then there's Fallout, and after Fallout there's Gears Of War and then there's Banjo Kazooie and God knows what else, and that's just on the 360 and in the space of three weeks. I mean, how am I supposed to decide what to spend my money on? I think that's pretty tough, and when was the last time we had a really exciting game? It's been quite a long time since we had an exciting game, probably GTA. We've had like six months of nothing and then along come six buses all of which want to spend your money.

Have there been any games since the original Fable's release that you've kind of been really impressed by or inspired by? Because I noticed when I started playing today there was a 'Would you kindly...' which is obviously a Bioshock reference.
[Nods] Yeah. I think there's been some great games, some of the games like Bioshock has really influenced me. I thought the thing about Bioshock was the ability to tell a story without stopping you play the game was great. I think their world was... if you set out to make an underwater world, that was a pretty good one, it was a pretty good universe that they created, that was great.

GTA 4, the characterization was jaw-dropping in my opinion. I wish they'd got rid of some of those old mechanics like, you know, die, repeat, die, repeat. I think that ruined the story for me but other than that I thought it was a genius characterization. I still think the way that Valve are progressing Half-Life and, you know, throwing in Portal and everything, that was again, breathtaking. I think they're great examples.

With these games you mentioned, do you pull parts out of those games and use them?
No, I think that's a mistake, I think it's a mistake to look at something like Half-Life and say , 'They've got a gravity-gun, we should do something with gravity-guns,' I think that, again, you'd drive yourself mad. What I do though, is to say, 'God that made me feel so good...'

The story of Portal made me feel so good. The puzzles, to be honest with you... yeah, it was quite cool and gimmicky, but it was her that made it, and inspiration like that is, "yeah, a story really can carry a mechanic". That's how I prefer to be inspired, thinking about how it affects me rather than worrying about, you know, they've got this and I should have that.

Obviously I may be proven wrong when, down the line soon your second title emerges and we see what you're doing there, but it feels like as a studio you've been engrossed in Fable for so long now, years and years, so...obviously you can't tell me what you are doing but you can tell me what you're feeling like...more Fable or something new?
Lionhead was established to do things that surprise people. Going from Black & White to Fable, they seem like completely opposite ends of the spectrum actually. You know, there are bits of Black & White in Fable, you just don't recognise them. The dog is Black & White... the creature's no longer standing on two legs, it's down on the ground and all that AI is still there.

But I think one of our mantras is to surprise people and to innovate and not to take establishment and that means doing more than Fable. And yeah, we are working on stuff that I think will surprise you. I think the next Fable should surprise you as much as anything else but Lionhead isn't defined just by Fable, it just so happens that that's what you're all focusing on at the moment. You're probably going to say the same thing about the next experience that we come out with.

Okay, for my last question, you have Fable 2 Pub Games with the idea being you can gamble your own gold and carry it on to Fable 2. Now obviously there's been a gold exploit where some people have been racking up millions and millions of gold pieces, so how worried are you that this will upset the balance of the game for these people?
I'm not particularly upset by it, I mean, it's a shame that the exploit was in there... it was such an easy exploit. There is a lot to spend this gold on. A hell of a lot to spend this gold on. You know, I think the value of all the unique items in the world is over twenty million in Fable. And I am pretty sure, although I'm not absolutely sure, that importing such a vast amount into the Fable world affects your character. I'm not sure, that may have been thrown in at the end, but we were thinking about having a 'you obviously cheated' mechanic.

Your teeth go brown or something?
Your teeth go black, yeah! So every time you smile people run away! But you're a millionaire! [laughs]

http://www.oxm.co.uk/article.php?id=6171

[Amon 83]

Originariamente inviato da Maverick18

Perchè, è stato già annunciato per pc ?

Originariamente inviato da [Alex]

a me non risulta

non lo so se uscirà o meno anche per pc ma qualora uscisse cosa mi converrebbe acquistare la versione pc o quella x 360?

[[Alex]]

Originariamente inviato da Amon 83

non lo so se uscirà o meno anche per pc ma qualora uscisse cosa mi converrebbe acquistare la versione pc o quella x 360?

io andrei su quella 360, così inserisci il cd e giochi tranquillo

[Maverick18]

Originariamente inviato da Amon 83

non lo so se uscirà o meno anche per pc ma qualora uscisse cosa mi converrebbe acquistare la versione pc o quella x 360?

Non essendo ancora uscito su X360, e non essendo ancora annunciato per pc non saprei cosa dirti. Io al posto tuo lo prenderei per Xbox360:
-lo giochi subito
-il gioco è nato su X360, quindi ne sfrutta le potenzialità
-su pc non credo avrà particolari miglioramenti grafici, almeno non tali da farti aspettare a lungo per l'uscita e da farti preferire la versione pc

Il tutto imho.

[Amon 83]

Originariamente inviato da [Alex]

io andrei su quella 360, così inserisci il cd e giochi tranquillo

non so il perchè ma immaginavo che mi consigliavi la versione 360 massima resa minimo sbattimento anche se poi magari a distanza di poco esce la versione pc (tipo su steam) e costa un botto in meno (e obbiettivamente mi girerebbero un po) allora adesso vedrò il da farsi

[Amon 83]

Originariamente inviato da Maverick18

Non essendo ancora uscito su X360, e non essendo ancora annunciato per pc non saprei cosa dirti. Io al posto tuo lo prenderei per Xbox360:
-lo giochi subito
-il gioco è nato su X360, quindi ne sfrutta le potenzialità
-su pc non credo avrà particolari miglioramenti grafici, almeno non tali da farti aspettare a lungo per l'uscita e da farti preferire la versione pc

Il tutto imho.

grazie anche a te per il consiglio