Forse è vero: cata 3.8 danneggiano i monitor...........

mtitone · 20-10-2003, 15:27

leggete:

http://www.hardware4you.sm/

KarmaP · 20-10-2003, 15:31

sembra una cosa piuttosto preoccupante

Hanamichi · 20-10-2003, 15:33

com'è possibile che i cata 3.8 rompino i monitor?

dieg · 20-10-2003, 15:49

dieg · 20-10-2003, 15:53

UPDATE: Monitor Death Issue From Catalyst 3.8 Software:

I've got more information regarding the "Monitor Death" problem with the ATI Catalyst 3.8 driver series:

Known Cards Affected:
All Radeon 9800 XT's
All Radeon 9800 Pro's
All Radeon 9800 Non-Pro's

Possible Cards Affected:
All Radeon 9700 Pro's
All Radeon 9700 Non-Pro's

It seems like the new driver series is attempting to pass way too many unsupported resolution/refresh rates to the monitor, overloading the monitor's relay system and frying the monitor. Instead of reading the refresh rates from the PRIMARY display INF files, it is reading the SECONDARY display INF refresh rates. For those of us with only 1 monitor hooked up, there is no SECONDARY display INF refresh rate file, so the video card starts at its own highest supported refresh rate and starts passing that onto the monitor. With Radeon 9800/9700's capable of syncing @ a refresh rate of up to 200 Hz, that means 99% of the world's monitors are at risk of damage.

So far, a total of 183 monitors, ranging from high-end 22" Viewsonic P225F's to lowly 14" Compaq SVGA monitors have been reported as dead/damaged due to this problem. It is to be taken seriously.

I'll attest to this problem, as my Dell UltraScan P1110 21" Trinitron has been damaged due to this problem. Running the Catalyst 3.8's on my Corona system @ 1600x1200 @ 85 Hz and playing Unreal Tournament 2003, I exited the game and the monitor started flickering like mad, attempting to change refresh rates. After 8 unsuccessful retries, the monitor displayed the "NO VIDEO SIGNAL FROM INPUT 1" message and the power light turned orange. A burning smell was coming from the back of the monitor. Hooking the monitor up to another system proved useless, as it did not start up.

Fortunately, I still have a few weeks left on the warranty, so I got to exchange for a new one, but the fact of the matter is that even if you have a high-end monitor, you aren't safe from this problem.

A whole bunch more individuals have noticed the same problem, but are running monitors that have some type of refresh-rate detection system that will only change the monitors refresh-rate/resolution if it is supported by the hardware. Those users are protected from this "monitor death" problem.

At this time, the Dell leaked 3.9 drivers do NOT fix this problem. Neither do the Omega 3.9 leaked drivers.

The only way for you to save your monitor is to revert BACK to the Catalyst 3.7 (or previous generation) drivers. Links to these drivers are available on the first post of this thread.

dieg · 20-10-2003, 15:55

Known Cards Affected:
All Radeon 9800 XT's
All Radeon 9800 Pro's
All Radeon 9800 Non-Pro's

Possible Cards Affected:
All Radeon 9700 Pro's
All Radeon 9700 Non-Pro's

quindi solo queste schede o anche le 9500PRO?????

ATi7500 · 20-10-2003, 15:56

almeno io con la 7500 sono a posto...

cmq forzando i refresh con reforce nn dovrebbero esserci problemi...

bYeZ!

ATi7500 · 20-10-2003, 15:58

Quote:

Originariamente inviato da dieg
Known Cards Affected:
All Radeon 9800 XT's
All Radeon 9800 Pro's
All Radeon 9800 Non-Pro's

Possible Cards Affected:
All Radeon 9700 Pro's
All Radeon 9700 Non-Pro's

quindi solo queste schede o anche le 9500PRO?????

su rage3d dicono ke succeda con le 9500 solo se moddate a 9700 o 9800

bYeZ!

SaMp3i · 20-10-2003, 15:58

ma in kaso sti driver emettessero un segnale al monitor con refresh spropositati, nel pannello di controllo del monitor non dovrebbe comparire tale valore?
mi riferisco proprio al pannello del monitor accedibile tramite i pulsantini sul monitor stesso...

ATi7500 · 20-10-2003, 16:01

Quote:

Originariamente inviato da SaMp3i
ma in kaso sti driver emettessero un segnale al monitor con refresh spropositati, nel pannello di controllo del monitor non dovrebbe comparire tale valore?
mi riferisco proprio al pannello del monitor accedibile tramite i pulsantini sul monitor stesso...

appunto...e cmq tt i monitor moderni hanno un sistema di protezione (si spengono) per le frequenze di refresh nn supportate...

bYeZ!

dieg · 20-10-2003, 16:01

Quote:

Originariamente inviato da ATi7500
su rage3d dicono ke succeda con le 9500 solo se moddate a 9700 o 9800

bYeZ!

meno male..

dieg · 20-10-2003, 16:05

però qui leggo :
the 9600, 9200, 9100, 9000, 8500 & earlier cards are not supposed to be affected by this as many believe it's caused by a driver feature for the R300 cards only.

fonte http://www.short-media.com/forum/sho...0&pagenumber=4

King Leoric · 20-10-2003, 16:08

GHghGH il mio se se rompe e' mejo

ATi7500 · 20-10-2003, 16:13

Quote:

Originariamente inviato da dieg
però qui leggo :
the 9600, 9200, 9100, 9000, 8500 & earlier cards are not supposed to be affected by this as many believe it's caused by a driver feature for the R300 cards only.

fonte http://www.short-media.com/forum/sho...0&pagenumber=4

beh ATi questa proprio nn la doveva fare...

bYeZ!

dieg · 20-10-2003, 16:36

Quote:

Originariamente inviato da ATi7500
beh ATi questa proprio nn la doveva fare...

bYeZ!

Jeko83 · 20-10-2003, 16:44

Ma solo i catalist 3.8 possono danneggiare i monitor o anche le versioni omega dei 3.8???????

ATi7500 · 20-10-2003, 16:52

Quote:

Originariamente inviato da Hanamichi
com'è possibile che i cata 3.8 rompino i monitor?

rompAno

bYeZ!

dieg · 20-10-2003, 16:54

Quote:

Originariamente inviato da Jeko83
Ma solo i catalist 3.8 possono danneggiare i monitor o anche le versioni omega dei 3.8???????

At this time, the Dell leaked 3.9 drivers do NOT fix this problem. Neither do the Omega 3.9 leaked drivers.

The only way for you to save your monitor is to revert BACK to the Catalyst 3.7 (or previous generation) drivers. Links to these drivers are available on the first post of this thread.

tutte le versioni

maxdgr · 20-10-2003, 17:11

WARNING: ATI R300/350/360 USERS SHOULD READ

I've got some distrubing news that, if left unchecked on your system, will severely damage your video card and monitor systems to the point of RMA.

Cards Affected:
All Radeon 9800 XT's
All Radeon 9800 Pro's
All Radeon 9800 Non-Pro's
All Radeon 9700 Pro's soft-modded to 9800 series.
All Radeon 9700 Non-Pro's soft-modded to 9800 series.
All Radeon 9500's soft modded to 9800 series.

Note: Radeon 9600, 9200, 9100, 9000, 8500 or previous generations are NOT affected by this serious issue.

Software Causing Hardware Failure:
ATI's Catalyst 3.8 Driver Series
OMEGA Catalyst 3.8 Driver Series

STICA...

maxdgr · 20-10-2003, 17:17

P.S.: Il giorno dopo aver installato i 3.8 (ho una 9700 liscia della Sapphire nè moddata nè overcloccata) ho trovato il pc in crash con il monitor senza segnale (schermo nero).
Ho dovuto quindi forzare a mano lo spegnimento.
Dopodichè ho disattivato manualmente dal pannello dei driver il VPU recover qualchecosa e da allora più nessun problema.

Squaraus

20-10-2003, 15:27	#1
mtitone Senior Member Iscritto dal: Jan 2000 Città: Palermo "Datemi una macchina al 60%... al resto penso io (Gilles Villeneuve)" "Quando l'amore ci si mette è veramente bastardo (Aldo)" Messaggi: 2336	Forse è vero: cata 3.8 danneggiano i monitor........... leggete: http://www.hardware4you.sm/

20-10-2003, 15:31	#2
KarmaP Senior Member Iscritto dal: Jun 2003 Città: Italy (TO) Messaggi: 4398	sembra una cosa piuttosto preoccupante __________________ † DeaD SouL †

20-10-2003, 15:49	#4
dieg Senior Member Iscritto dal: Sep 2002 Città: Prov. di Como Auto: Cayman S Messaggi: 12530	__________________ "Se una persona non ha più sogni, non ha più alcuna ragione di vivere. Sognare è necessario, anche se nel sogno va intravista la realtà. Per me è uno dei principi della vita."

20-10-2003, 15:53	#5
dieg Senior Member Iscritto dal: Sep 2002 Città: Prov. di Como Auto: Cayman S Messaggi: 12530	UPDATE: Monitor Death Issue From Catalyst 3.8 Software: I've got more information regarding the "Monitor Death" problem with the ATI Catalyst 3.8 driver series: Known Cards Affected: All Radeon 9800 XT's All Radeon 9800 Pro's All Radeon 9800 Non-Pro's Possible Cards Affected: All Radeon 9700 Pro's All Radeon 9700 Non-Pro's It seems like the new driver series is attempting to pass way too many unsupported resolution/refresh rates to the monitor, overloading the monitor's relay system and frying the monitor. Instead of reading the refresh rates from the PRIMARY display INF files, it is reading the SECONDARY display INF refresh rates. For those of us with only 1 monitor hooked up, there is no SECONDARY display INF refresh rate file, so the video card starts at its own highest supported refresh rate and starts passing that onto the monitor. With Radeon 9800/9700's capable of syncing @ a refresh rate of up to 200 Hz, that means 99% of the world's monitors are at risk of damage. So far, a total of 183 monitors, ranging from high-end 22" Viewsonic P225F's to lowly 14" Compaq SVGA monitors have been reported as dead/damaged due to this problem. It is to be taken seriously. I'll attest to this problem, as my Dell UltraScan P1110 21" Trinitron has been damaged due to this problem. Running the Catalyst 3.8's on my Corona system @ 1600x1200 @ 85 Hz and playing Unreal Tournament 2003, I exited the game and the monitor started flickering like mad, attempting to change refresh rates. After 8 unsuccessful retries, the monitor displayed the "NO VIDEO SIGNAL FROM INPUT 1" message and the power light turned orange. A burning smell was coming from the back of the monitor. Hooking the monitor up to another system proved useless, as it did not start up. Fortunately, I still have a few weeks left on the warranty, so I got to exchange for a new one, but the fact of the matter is that even if you have a high-end monitor, you aren't safe from this problem. A whole bunch more individuals have noticed the same problem, but are running monitors that have some type of refresh-rate detection system that will only change the monitors refresh-rate/resolution if it is supported by the hardware. Those users are protected from this "monitor death" problem. At this time, the Dell leaked 3.9 drivers do NOT fix this problem. Neither do the Omega 3.9 leaked drivers. The only way for you to save your monitor is to revert BACK to the Catalyst 3.7 (or previous generation) drivers. Links to these drivers are available on the first post of this thread. __________________ "Se una persona non ha più sogni, non ha più alcuna ragione di vivere. Sognare è necessario, anche se nel sogno va intravista la realtà. Per me è uno dei principi della vita."

20-10-2003, 15:55	#6
dieg Senior Member Iscritto dal: Sep 2002 Città: Prov. di Como Auto: Cayman S Messaggi: 12530	Known Cards Affected: All Radeon 9800 XT's All Radeon 9800 Pro's All Radeon 9800 Non-Pro's Possible Cards Affected: All Radeon 9700 Pro's All Radeon 9700 Non-Pro's quindi solo queste schede o anche le 9500PRO????? __________________ "Se una persona non ha più sogni, non ha più alcuna ragione di vivere. Sognare è necessario, anche se nel sogno va intravista la realtà. Per me è uno dei principi della vita."

20-10-2003, 15:33	#3
Hanamichi Bannato Iscritto dal: Apr 2002 Città: Roma Messaggi: 7014	com'è possibile che i cata 3.8 rompino i monitor?

20-10-2003, 15:56	#7
ATi7500 Senior Member Iscritto dal: Nov 2002 Città: Budapest Messaggi: 19133	almeno io con la 7500 sono a posto... cmq forzando i refresh con reforce nn dovrebbero esserci problemi... bYeZ! __________________ Improvise, adapt, overcome.

20-10-2003, 15:58	#9
SaMp3i Senior Member Iscritto dal: Sep 2000 Città: Erba (co) Messaggi: 1057	ma in kaso sti driver emettessero un segnale al monitor con refresh spropositati, nel pannello di controllo del monitor non dovrebbe comparire tale valore? mi riferisco proprio al pannello del monitor accedibile tramite i pulsantini sul monitor stesso... __________________ [... le mobo bruciano, le cpu muoiono ma il giramento di palle è per sempre! (e anche le schede video!)]

20-10-2003, 16:05	#12
dieg Senior Member Iscritto dal: Sep 2002 Città: Prov. di Como Auto: Cayman S Messaggi: 12530	però qui leggo : the 9600, 9200, 9100, 9000, 8500 & earlier cards are not supposed to be affected by this as many believe it's caused by a driver feature for the R300 cards only. fonte http://www.short-media.com/forum/sho...0&pagenumber=4 __________________ "Se una persona non ha più sogni, non ha più alcuna ragione di vivere. Sognare è necessario, anche se nel sogno va intravista la realtà. Per me è uno dei principi della vita."

20-10-2003, 16:08	#13
King Leoric Senior Member Iscritto dal: Oct 2003 Città: Pd Messaggi: 394	GHghGH il mio se se rompe e' mejo __________________ Mio PC: vecchia carretta [Ho concluso felicemente con: Fax15; Spank; Rez; drbee...feedback positivi:100%]

20-10-2003, 16:44	#16
Jeko83 Member Iscritto dal: Sep 2003 Città: Pordenone Messaggi: 157	Ma solo i catalist 3.8 possono danneggiare i monitor o anche le versioni omega dei 3.8???????

20-10-2003, 17:11	#19
maxdgr Senior Member Iscritto dal: Apr 2003 Messaggi: 2407	WARNING: ATI R300/350/360 USERS SHOULD READ I've got some distrubing news that, if left unchecked on your system, will severely damage your video card and monitor systems to the point of RMA. Cards Affected: All Radeon 9800 XT's All Radeon 9800 Pro's All Radeon 9800 Non-Pro's All Radeon 9700 Pro's soft-modded to 9800 series. All Radeon 9700 Non-Pro's soft-modded to 9800 series. All Radeon 9500's soft modded to 9800 series. Note: Radeon 9600, 9200, 9100, 9000, 8500 or previous generations are NOT affected by this serious issue. Software Causing Hardware Failure: ATI's Catalyst 3.8 Driver Series OMEGA Catalyst 3.8 Driver Series STICA...

20-10-2003, 17:17	#20
maxdgr Senior Member Iscritto dal: Apr 2003 Messaggi: 2407	P.S.: Il giorno dopo aver installato i 3.8 (ho una 9700 liscia della Sapphire nè moddata nè overcloccata) ho trovato il pc in crash con il monitor senza segnale (schermo nero). Ho dovuto quindi forzare a mano lo spegnimento. Dopodichè ho disattivato manualmente dal pannello dei driver il VPU recover qualchecosa e da allora più nessun problema. Squaraus

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