[Formula 1] FIA F1 World Championship - Gran Premio d'Italia

[nicovent]

Buon giro di Rubens: 1.20.555 Prove tecniche di pole?

Da segnalare i 365Km/h delle due McLaren.

Nico

[maxsona]

Sabato 11 Settembre, seconda sessione di prove libere

 P. No  Driver       Team - Engine   Tyres    Times      Ave/Gaps  Laps
 1.  2  BARRICHELLO  Ferrari           B   1'20"555  258.889 Km/h  11  
 2.  3  MONTOYA      Williams BMW      M   1'20"653    + 0'00"098  11  
 3.  9  BUTTON       BAR Honda         M   1'20"734    + 0'00"179  13  
 4.  8  ALONSO       Renault           M   1'20"773    + 0'00"218  11  
 5. 10  SATO         BAR Honda         M   1'20"805    + 0'00"250  11  
 6.  6  RAIKKONEN    McLaren Mercedes  M   1'20"856    + 0'00"301  11  
 7.  1  M.SCHUMACHER Ferrari           B   1'20"898    + 0'00"343  10  
 8. 04  PIZZONIA     Williams BMW      M   1'20"921    + 0'00"366  10  
 9.  5  COULTHARD    McLaren Mercedes  M   1'21"058    + 0'00"503  11  
10.  7  TRULLI       Renault           M   1'21"506    + 0'00"951   8  
11. 12  MASSA        Sauber Petronas   B   1'21"859    + 0'01"304  14  
12. 17  PANIS        Toyota            M   1'21"889    + 0'01"334  18  
13. 11  FISICHELLA   Sauber Petronas   B   1'21"929    + 0'01"374   9  
14. 16  ZONTA        Toyota            M   1'22"114    + 0'01"559  20  
15. 15  KLIEN        Jaguar Cosworth   M   1'22"230    + 0'01"675  18  
16. 14  WEBBER       Jaguar Cosworth   M   1'22"490    + 0'01"935  15  
17. 18  HEIDFELD     Jordan Ford       B   1'23"146    + 0'02"591  13  
18. 20  BRUNI        Minardi Cosworth  B   1'23"794    + 0'03"239  14

Raikkonen, e Coulthard TOP Speed all'ultimo rilevamento con 365 Km/h

[cresinoscion]

Originariamente inviato da RiccardoS

p.s. ma le due torrette non dovevano buttarle giù?

le hanno già buttate giù, esattamente 3 anni fa.

[Schummacherr]

Mi fan paura sti tempi...speriamo nella tattica..

[Schummacherr]

La Rossa c'è

[maxsona]

Penso di poter affermare con assoluta certezza che al regista RAI piace molto la topa

[Schummacherr]

Originariamente inviato da maxsona
Penso di poter affermare con assoluta certezza che al regista RAI piace molto la topa

Esatto..vista la prolungata inquadratura alla fine

[GioFX]

Sabato 11 Settembre 2004 - Prima Sessione di Qualifiche

 P. No  Driver       Team - Engine   Tyres    Times      Ave/Gaps  Laps
 1.  3  MONTOYA      Williams BMW      M   1'19"525  262.242 Km/h   3  
 2. 04  PIZZONIA     Williams BMW      M   1'19"671    + 0'00"146   3  
 3. 10  SATO         BAR Honda         M   1'19"733    + 0'00"208   3  
 4.  9  BUTTON       BAR Honda         M   1'19"856    + 0'00"331   3  
 5.  8  ALONSO       Renault           M   1'20"341    + 0'00"816   3  
 6. 11  FISICHELLA   Sauber Petronas   B   1'20"357    + 0'00"832   3  
 7.  5  COULTHARD    McLaren Mercedes  M   1'20"414    + 0'00"889   3  
 8.  6  RAIKKONEN    McLaren Mercedes  M   1'20"501    + 0'00"976   3  
 9.  1  M.SCHUMACHER Ferrari           B   1'20"528    + 0'01"003   3  
10.  2  BARRICHELLO  Ferrari           B   1'20"552    + 0'01"027   3  
11. 12  MASSA        Sauber Petronas   B   1'20"571    + 0'01"046   3  
12.  7  TRULLI       Renault           M   1'21"011    + 0'01"486   3  
13. 14  WEBBER       Jaguar Cosworth   M   1'21"783    + 0'02"258   3  
14. 16  ZONTA        Toyota            M   1'21"829    + 0'02"304   3  
15. 15  KLIEN        Jaguar Cosworth   M   1'22"114    + 0'02"589   3  
16. 17  PANIS        Toyota            M   1'22"169    + 0'02"644   3  
17. 19  PANTANO      Jordan Ford       B   1'23"264    + 0'03"739   3  
18. 20  BRUNI        Minardi Cosworth  B   1'23"963    + 0'04"438   3  
19. 21  BAUMGARTNER  Minardi Cosworth  B   1'25"082    + 0'05"557   3

Sabato 11 Settembre 2004 - Seconda Sessione di Qualifiche

 P. No  Driver       Team - Engine   Tyres    Times      Ave/Gaps  Laps
 1.  2  BARRICHELLO  Ferrari           B   1'20"089  260.395 Km/h   3  
 2.  3  MONTOYA      Williams BMW      M   1'20"620    + 0'00"531   3  
 3.  1  M.SCHUMACHER Ferrari           B   1'20"637    + 0'00"548   3  
 4.  8  ALONSO       Renault           M   1'20"645    + 0'00"556   3  
 5. 10  SATO         BAR Honda         M   1'20"715    + 0'00"626   3  
 6.  9  BUTTON       BAR Honda         M   1'20"786    + 0'00"697   3  
 7.  6  RAIKKONEN    McLaren Mercedes  M   1'20"877    + 0'00"788   3  
 8. 04  PIZZONIA     Williams BMW      M   1'20"888    + 0'00"799   3  
 9.  7  TRULLI       Renault           M   1'21"027    + 0'00"938   3  
10.  5  COULTHARD    McLaren Mercedes  M   1'21"049    + 0'00"960   3  
11. 16  ZONTA        Toyota            M   1'21"520    + 0'01"431   3  
12. 14  WEBBER       Jaguar Cosworth   M   1'21"602    + 0'01"513   3  
13. 17  PANIS        Toyota            M   1'21"841    + 0'01"752   3  
14. 15  KLIEN        Jaguar Cosworth   M   1'21"989    + 0'01"900   3  
15. 11  FISICHELLA   Sauber Petronas   B   1'22"239    + 0'02"150   3  
16. 12  MASSA        Sauber Petronas   B   1'22"287    + 0'02"198   3  
17. 18  HEIDFELD     Jordan Ford       B   1'22"301    + 0'02"212   3  
18. 19  PANTANO      Jordan Ford       B   1'23"239    + 0'03"150   3  
19. 21  BAUMGARTNER  Minardi Cosworth  B   1'24"808    + 0'04"719   3  
20. 20  BRUNI        Minardi Cosworth  B   1'24"940    + 0'04"851   3

Griglia di Partenza

01. Barrichello
02. Montoya

03. M Schumacher
04. Alonso

05. Sato
06. Button

07. Raikkonen
08. Pizzonia

09. Trulli
10. Coulthard

11. Zonta
12. Webber

13. Panis
14. Klien

15. Fisichella
16. Massa

17. Heidfeld
18. Pantano

19. Baumgartner
20. Bruni

[Teox82]

(ANSA) - MONZA, 11 SET - Jarno Trulli si e' sfogato a Monza: "Qualcuno vorrebbe che mollassi. Ma io sono testardo e continuero' a portare l'auto al limite". Il pilota abruzzese ha risposto a chi "mette in giro voci che non ci sono piu' con la testa", riferendosi al capo della scuderia Renault Flavio Briatore, che ha replicato: "A me interessa arrivare secondo nel mondiale costruttori.E' piu' facile con uno o con due piloti?". E a Montezemolo che ha detto che e' finita un'epoca risponde: "Sono d'accordissimo".

Quale epoca?

[matteo171717]

Originariamente inviato da Teox82
(ANSA) - MONZA, 11 SET - Jarno Trulli si e' sfogato a Monza: "Qualcuno vorrebbe che mollassi. Ma io sono testardo e continuero' a portare l'auto al limite". Il pilota abruzzese ha risposto a chi "mette in giro voci che non ci sono piu' con la testa", riferendosi al capo della scuderia Renault Flavio Briatore, che ha replicato: "A me interessa arrivare secondo nel mondiale costruttori.E' piu' facile con uno o con due piloti?". E a Montezemolo che ha detto che e' finita un'epoca risponde: "Sono d'accordissimo".

Quale epoca?

http://www.gazzetta.it/primi_piani/m...02590838.shtml

[Schummacherr]

Originariamente inviato da matteo171717
http://www.gazzetta.it/primi_piani/m...02590838.shtml

Mi sembrano parole giusto per "spaventare" la direzione...la Ferrari non lascierà mai la F1 imho..o almeno non in un futuro prossimo..

[maxsona]

Originariamente inviato da matteo171717
http://www.gazzetta.it/primi_piani/m...02590838.shtml

Che ignobili ricatti

[RiccardoS]

Originariamente inviato da cresinoscion
le hanno già buttate giù, esattamente 3 anni fa.

allora evidentemente non avevo capito che torrette intendessero... non sono quelle di acciaio e vetro di cui ho postato la foto in prima pagina del thread?

[GioFX]

Originariamente inviato da maxsona
Che ignobili ricatti

sono le stesse "minacce" che hanno fatto tutti i costruttori e i team, nessuno escluso, tramite la GPWC verso la Slec e la controllata FOA per modificare il contratto della ripartizione dei ricavi TV .

[maxsona]

Originariamente inviato da GioFX
sono le stesse "minacce" che hanno fatto tutti i costruttori e i team, nessuno escluso, tramite la GPWC verso la Slec e la controllata FOA per modificare il contratto della ripartizione dei ricavi TV .

Io no sentito solo Montezuma fare un discorso del genere, e non è nemmeno la prima volta...

[max1123]

Originariamente inviato da maxsona
Io no sentito solo Montezuma fare un discorso del genere, e non è nemmeno la prima volta...

Oggi che sono oggettivamente i più potenti tocca a loro. In passato (neanche tanto lontano, sei grande abbastanza per ricordarlo se solo seguivi la F1 almeno 10 anni fa) erano altri a far la voce grossa. E sono sempre stati accontentati.

[GioFX]

Originariamente inviato da maxsona
Io no sentito solo Montezuma fare un discorso del genere, e non è nemmeno la prima volta...

Scusa, ma dove diavolo sei stato negli ultimi 5 anni?!?

[GioFX]

GPWC pulls out of Formula One agreement

GPWC pulls out of Formula One agreement

The GPWC has cancelled the Memorandum of Understanding which was signed with the Formula One Group before Christmas.

"Despite all reasonable efforts to implement the Memorandum of Understanding between GPWC Holdings BV and the shareholders of SLEC Holdings, the GPWC has decided to end negotiations on the future structure of Formula 1," the GPWC said in a statement, adding that this was "due to SLEC shareholders' failure to comply with key points agreed in the MOU."

In a private letter to the teams GPWC chairman Jurgen Hubbert went further, saying that "due to continuing delays and a lack of commitment, particularly from FOA Ltd, GPWC had has to come to the conclusion that pursuing the negotiations would not lead to the implementation of the MoU."

The GPWC refuses to admit defeat however and informed the team owners that it "will not compromise its strategy of securing a stable and transparent platform for the sport. Significantly increasing payments to teams through a fairer division of the revenues, identifying opportunities for cost-saving and ensuring a transparent platform remain priorities for the GPWC."

The problem however is that there does not seem to be that much support for the GPWC and with the new FIA proposals for the rules in 2008, there is little interest for the manufacturers to stay in the sport. They know that Max Mosley's proposals are not negotiable if Mosley chooses not to deviate from his path. There is not need for the FIA to ask the teams about the rules in 2008 because by then the Concorde Agreement is over. The federation can simply produce a set of regulations and ask the F1 teams if they wish to be part of the World Championship.

The engine manufacturers may think that they are essential to the sport but that is not actually the case because customer engines can be made available fairly easily by those who do wish to take part. For some months there have been questions being asked about what Mecachrome is doing hiring F1 design engineers and investing heavily in Heini Mader's old factory in Switzerland and it does not take a genius to work out that within a couple of years this could be turning out cheap customer F1 engines for all the teams that want them. Cosworth also could revert to its old role of a supplier of more teams than is now the case.

The problem for the GPWC is that at least six of the current teams will support the new FIA series on the grounds of cost. They cannot survive if current trends continue and do not see the GPWC as offering them a better deal than the Formula One group. The details of the MoU, leaked to the teams some weeks ago, revealed that the big teams were going to take most of the available cash and leave the small teams with just the crumbs. This drove them into the arms of Ecclestone at a meeting in Bahrain and undermined the GPWC's boasts about transparency.

A cheaper version of F1 will allow new teams to come in and there are several interested including, we believe, Arden International and Carlin Motorsport. The GPWC, on the other hand, needs cars and there are serious doubts about the commitment of number of the GPWC members, not least because the average automobile executive knows that his career is based on an ability to sell cars. If there is an effective World Championship costing a fraction of what the GPWC wishes to spend, the pressure is going to be on the managers to do what makes the most commercial sense. With 2.4-litre engines and common ECUs, F1 is less attractive to motor manufacturers.

What is also interesting is that Mosley's proposals are more than just a technical package because hidden away in the small print is what amounts to a mini-Concorde Agreement, outlining how decisions will be made in the future and how teams will enter the championship. This means that in the future there will probably be not one all-encompassing Concorde Agreement which governs all aspects of the sport but rather two separate deals: one an organisational deal between the teams and the federation and the other a commercial deal between the teams and the commercial rights holder. The triangle is then complete with the deal that exists between the FIA and the Formula One Group.

[GioFX]

Da http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3335341.stm:

Formula One thrashes out deal

Car makers are to get a bigger say in how Formula One is run after hammering out an agreement with SLEC, the firm that runs the sport.

The deal spells an end to the car makers' threats to start a breakaway motor racing tournament from 2008.

Their Grand Prix World Championship alliance is to have three seats on SLEC's board, the two sides said.

They said SLEC boss Bernie Ecclestone would remain chairman and the firm may float on the stock market.

'Stable future'

The deal clears the way for the GPWC, SLEC and the Formula One Administration, which is also headed by Mr Ecclestone, to sign a new Concorde Agreement setting out the sport's commercial rules.

The previous Concorde Agreement was due to expire in 2007.

"With this memorandum of understanding, we have created a stable and long-term platform for all constituents of the Formula One Sport," said Dr Gerhard Gribkowsky, a spokesman for SLEC's shareholders.

The management of Formula One and its all-important broadcasting rights are controlled by SLEC.

Mr Ecclestone's family-owned trust owns 25% of SLEC, while the remaining 75% is held by a consortium of banks following the financial collapse of German media group Kirch in 2002.

Racing car makers, who invest heavily in Formula One by backing the teams, threatened in 2001 to set up a rival tournament.

They have been demanding a greater share of the sport's broadcasting rights and more control over how the sport is run.

Team revenues will "increase significantly" under the new deal, the joint statement from SLEC and GPWC said. No further details were given.

It described the possibility of selling shares in the SLEC as a "short to medium-term" prospect.

The GPWC includes Ferrari, which backs the sports' dominant team, BMW, Ford, Renault and DaimlerChrysler.

The car-makers' teams were thought to get just under half of the lucrative sports' revenues under the old agreement.

[Schummacherr]

Ho appena aperto il programma Weather Watcher e selezionato Monza..mi dice che sta piovendo..qualcuno può confermare?