Guida alla scelta della scheda audio

[Filodream]

Originariamente inviato da Falcoblu

Alla stessa stregua l' opinione di un singolo utente le considero quanto meritano , per altro non parlo certo per sentito dire ma perchè ho provato le schede di cui parlo , a parte la Z che secondo i miei canoni non è una scheda audio come si conviene ma qualcosa di ben inferiore.

Ovvio.. sottintendevo anche l'opinione di me stesso, non era chiaro? La stai prendendo sul personale. Ma questa AE5 di cui parli tanto quindi, l'hai provata?

Ed è per questo che tra l' altro continuo a non capire perchè continui a voler equiparare la Z con la ZxR quando sono schede molto diverse a livello di pcb e relativa componentistica , a meno che non vuoi farmi credere che sono comunque la stessa cosa perchè hanno entrambe l' SBX Pro...

Mai fatto in realtà.. le nomino assieme perché sono sulla bocca di tutti in queste ultime pagine, ma cmq entrambe hanno il "dono" di un reparto amplificazione per i miei canoni semi-inutilizzabile (alta impedenza di uscita e poche\nulle regolazioni del gain).

E comunque dovresti sapere che la valutazione di una scheda comprende sempre una forte componente soggettiva a discapito di quella oggettiva anche in funzione delle cuffie/casse che ci abbini , ergo le opinioni altrui , lo dici tu stesso , vanno prese con le molle piuttosto che come oro colato...

Ovvio.. ma magari per qualcuno non lo era?

Una piccola correzione sulla AE5: le regolazioni del gain sono 5, pardòn.

[fraussantin]

Originariamente inviato da Filodream

Ovvio.. sottintendevo anche l'opinione di me stesso, non era chiaro? La stai prendendo sul personale. Ma questa AE5 di cui parli tanto quindi, l'hai provata?


Mai fatto in realtà.. le nomino assieme perché sono sulla bocca di tutti in queste ultime pagine, ma cmq entrambe hanno il "dono" di un reparto amplificazione per i miei canoni semi-inutilizzabile (alta impedenza di uscita e poche\nulle regolazioni del gain).


Ovvio.. ma magari per qualcuno non lo era?

Una piccola correzione sulla AE5: le regolazioni del gain sono 5, pardòn.

sulla zxr era regolabile almeno su 2 step

il discorso del gain non regolabile crea il volume altissimo su cuffie normali giusto?

[Filodream]

Esattamente come avevo scritto qualche risposta fa.. 2 setting del gain per la zxr.
A ogni setting corrisponde una erogazione di corrente verso le cuffie.. a ogni erogazione di corrente corrisponde una risposta diversa delle cuffie, non solo in fatto di volume, ma anche in fatto di "carattere" (cambia il modo di suonare).
Ci sta provare tutti i gain (facendo attenzione al volume), anche su cuffie da soli 32ohm su carta per esempio, perché a volte ci sono piacevoli combinazioni.
Nel caso della sbZ si è costretti a usare l'amplificatore sempre "a palla".

[Sniper88]

Originariamente inviato da Filodream

Esattamente come avevo scritto qualche risposta fa.. 2 setting del gain per la zxr.
A ogni setting corrisponde una erogazione di corrente verso le cuffie.. a ogni erogazione di corrente corrisponde una risposta diversa delle cuffie, non solo in fatto di volume, ma anche in fatto di "carattere" (cambia il modo di suonare).
Ci sta provare tutti i gain (facendo attenzione al volume), anche su cuffie da soli 32ohm su carta per esempio, perché a volte ci sono piacevoli combinazioni.
Nel caso della sbZ si è costretti a usare l'amplificatore sempre "a palla".

Grazie per la precisazione, Filo. Sei molto dettagliato e a me questa cosa garba parecchio.

Ho un domanda: ho delle M50X dell'Audio-Technica, con un'impedenza di 38Ohm. Secondo te, dovrei selezionare 32 sul pannello di controllo della scheda audio? Ti domando questo, perché potrò testare la scheda solamente nel pomeriggio tardi.

Grazie mille!

[Paky]

non hai molta scelta , se passi allo step successivo sei a 150ohm
Con quel guadagno avrai poco da "giocare" col volume , probabile che a metà raggiungerai il massimo tollerabile dalla cuffia

con guadagni esagerati si rischia di rovinare le cuffie o diventare audiolesi


poi ovviamente lascio la palla a chi ce l'ha e può testare il settaggio

[Sniper88]

Originariamente inviato da Paky

non hai molta scelta , se passi allo step successivo sei a 150ohm
Con quel guadagno avrai poco da "giocare" col volume , probabile che a metà raggiungerai il massimo tollerabile dalla cuffia

con guadagni esagerati si rischia di rovinare le cuffie o diventare audiolesi


poi ovviamente lascio la palla a chi ce l'ha e può testare il settaggio

Grazie mille, Paky.

[robygr]

Originariamente inviato da Filodream

Ovvio.. sottintendevo anche l'opinione di me stesso, non era chiaro? La stai prendendo sul personale. Ma questa AE5 di cui parli tanto quindi, l'hai provata?


Mai fatto in realtà.. le nomino assieme perché sono sulla bocca di tutti in queste ultime pagine, ma cmq entrambe hanno il "dono" di un reparto amplificazione per i miei canoni semi-inutilizzabile (alta impedenza di uscita e poche\nulle regolazioni del gain).


Ovvio.. ma magari per qualcuno non lo era?

Una piccola correzione sulla AE5: le regolazioni del gain sono 5, pardòn.

Filo in ambito del surround per il gaming, tu lo trovi sensato il passaggio dalla sbz alla ae5?

Inviato dal mio HUAWEI VNS-L31 utilizzando Tapatalk

[gabmamb]

Originariamente inviato da Filodream

Questione surround virtualizzato: con gli "algoritmi" interni di Battlefield1 (suono impostato su CUFFIE nel menu audio), counter strike (suono impostato su HRFT nel menu audio), ecc.. del surround virtuale se ne può fare a meno, la posizionalità dei suoni è precisissima nella scena tridimensionale.. lasciando così intatta anche la fedeltà audio del gioco e senza andare a snaturare la resa delle cuffie (gli algoritmi hanno una propria equalizzazione).
Resta il fatto che il BRE di Sennheiser è in grado di creare dipendenza..

scusa ma se lo dici in generale dissento perchè io con il chip realtek integrato in BF1 non riesco assolutamente a percepire un nemico alle spalla o laterale fuori visuale!

cmq mi segno perchè sono alla ricerca di una scheda audio gaming che virtualizzi bene ma mi permetta di ascoltare anche la musica come si deve ma senza pretese da filarmonica!!!!

il mio grosso problema è che ora sono tutte pci-ex e lo slot libero e vicino alla scheda video!
P.S.: ho avuto la SB_Z bulk e l'ho rimandata indietro.....

[stalker18]

Ciao a tutti, ho cercato di districarmi nei meandri dell'audio ma non ci capisco una mazza.
Attualmente sto giocando con delle cuffie creative da 25€ di 7 anni fa attaccate ad un audio integrato di una scheda madre gigabyte sniper gaming 5 mini itx.
Arrivo al punto, ho visto queste cuffie (superlux hsd681 evo) che mi par di aver capito siano ottimo come rapporto qualità/prezzo.
Ora vorrei acquistare una scheda audio esterna (non ho più slot disponibili) sui 60/100€ per avere un 5.1/7.1 simulato da driver ( mi par di aver capito che rende meglio delle cuffie reali 7.1)...
Mi potete consigliare qualcosa?

Grazie mille!!

[Falcoblu]

Originariamente inviato da Filodream

Ovvio.. sottintendevo anche l'opinione di me stesso, non era chiaro? La stai prendendo sul personale. Ma questa AE5 di cui parli tanto quindi, l'hai provata?

Per quanto mi riguarda non prendo proprio niente sul personale , semplicemente quando cerco delle informazioni su una scheda audio se non ho la possibilità di provarla di persona (e sicuramente non spendo 150€ per la AE-5 solo per provarla..) leggo il maggior numero di recensioni, commenti di chi ce l' ha , ecc.. , certamente non mi baso solo sulle considerazioni di un singolo utente specie poi quando dice meraviglie di questa scheda quando , combinazione , ovunque se ne parla in ben altri termini e non solo a livello tecnico ma anche in raffronto al costo.

Poi che tu sei contento di questa scheda è un fatto soggettivo piuttosto che oggettivo , per altro se posso permettermi parlavi allo stesso modo anche per la GX1000 come l' ottava meraviglia del sorround "che crea dipendenza" e leggo dalla tua firma che la hai in vendita , converrai con me che qualcosa , come dire, non torna...

Originariamente inviato da Filodream

Mai fatto in realtà.. le nomino assieme perché sono sulla bocca di tutti in queste ultime pagine, ma cmq entrambe hanno il "dono" di un reparto amplificazione per i miei canoni semi-inutilizzabile (alta impedenza di uscita e poche\nulle regolazioni del gain).

Per la Z come ho già detto non l' ho provata visto che è un prodotto che non rientra nei miei canoni di scheda audio e quindi non mi pronuncio, per quanto riguarda la ZxR invece posso parlare con cognizione di causa per dire che non è affatto così e come funzionamento è molto simile alla STXII (del resto montano proprio lo stesso amplificatore TI..) , ovviamente saprai perfettamente che schede di questo livello richiedono cuffie di una certa qualità a livello di impedenza e certamente non quelle dei puffi da qualche ohm di impedenza altrimenti tantovale acquistarle così come altrettanto ovviamente hai provato la ZxR, la STX , STXII ,ecc.. per dire che la AE-5 è una meraviglia vero?

Originariamente inviato da Filodream

Ovvio.. ma magari per qualcuno non lo era?

Che una valutazione di una scheda audio sia soggettiva in funzione della sensibilità uditiva, delle cuffie/casse che ci abbini , di quello che deve essere il suo uso principale quindi musica, gaming , ecc... non mi pare che sia un segreto da audiofili ed è un fatto noto , poi un parere in più da chi ce l' ha può essere utile ma sicuramente non è su quello che ci basa per decidere di acquistarla o meno perchè , come puoi ben capire, dovrebbe avere le tue stesse cuffie/casse , utilizzarla come fai tu e sopratutto il tuo stesso orecchio...

Originariamente inviato da Filodream

Una piccola correzione sulla AE5: le regolazioni del gain sono 5, pardòn.

E il fatto che siano cinque non ho capito cosa dovrebbe significare, cioè da questo si valuta la bontà del prodotto?

A parte il fatto che non si capisce bene in base a cosa hanno scelto i valori ,visto che non so come si facciano a usare delle cuffie da 16 ohm, mentre poi salta da 32 a 150 ohm lasciando scoperto tutto quel range e già per le mie PC360 da 50ohm sarebbe un problema , cosa setto 32 o 150ohm? dovresti sapere che l' ampli deve essere regolato in base all' impedenza delle cuffie abbinate e "spararlo" ben oltre non apporta nessun vantaggio se non danni all; udito,distorsione del suono e possibili danni alle cuffie stesse per ovvii motivi.

Personalmente reputo più consona la regolazione del gain implementato dalle asus a tre stadi , 0-64/64-150/>150 visto che la maggior parte delle cuffie diciamo da gaming stanno entro i 150 ohm , e le mie PC360 funzionano a pennello con il primo stadio.



Ad ogni modo è evidente che abbiamo idee diverse su come si valuta una scheda audio e ci stà ci mancherebbe però permettimi di darti un consiglio, elimina quel fare da "sotuttoio" come se coloro che ti leggono fossero tutti degli sprovveduti , perchè ti assicuro che non è così..

[Paky]

sulla STXII ne ho 4

[fraussantin]

Originariamente inviato da stalker18

Ciao a tutti, ho cercato di districarmi nei meandri dell'audio ma non ci capisco una mazza.
Attualmente sto giocando con delle cuffie creative da 25€ di 7 anni fa attaccate ad un audio integrato di una scheda madre gigabyte sniper gaming 5 mini itx.
Arrivo al punto, ho visto queste cuffie (superlux hsd681 evo) che mi par di aver capito siano ottimo come rapporto qualità/prezzo.
Ora vorrei acquistare una scheda audio esterna (non ho più slot disponibili) sui 60/100€ per avere un 5.1/7.1 simulato da driver ( mi par di aver capito che rende meglio delle cuffie reali 7.1)...
Mi potete consigliare qualcosa?

Grazie mille!!

Non ho molta esperienza, ho sempre sentito parlare bene della asus u7, ma è vecchiotta non saprei.

Cmq tieni presente che benchè le superlux siano leggere da pilotare ( 32h) vogliono un ampli decente. Altrimenti i bassi non li senti.

[Falcoblu]

Originariamente inviato da Paky

sulla STXII ne ho 4

Eh lo so, io ho riportato quello della Phebus visto che si parlava di schede/cuffie "da gaming".

Tra l' altro montano lo stesso amplificatore , TI TA6120A2.

[stalker18]

Originariamente inviato da fraussantin

Non ho molta esperienza, ho sempre sentito parlare bene della asus u7, ma è vecchiotta non saprei.

Cmq tieni presente che benchè le superlux siano leggere da pilotare ( 32h) vogliono un ampli decente. Altrimenti i bassi non li senti.

Grazie, allora c'è qualche altra cuffia sui 50€ che mi consigli, senza bisogno di amplificatori o robe simili...

[fraussantin]

Originariamente inviato da stalker18

Grazie, allora c'è qualche altra cuffia sui 50€ che mi consigli, senza bisogno di amplificatori o robe simili...

Le sueperlux penso siano le uniche cuffie da monitor a 40 euro.

Però ci devi spendere almeno 60 /80 euro per una scheda amplificata decente. ( x/fi u7 ecc)

Altrimenti ricadi sulle cuffie da gaming chiuse.

[stalker18]

Allora a questo punto direi che cuffie scelte, il mercato offre o la asus u7 oppure la creative x/fi HD in quel range.
Tra le due c'è differenza in game? driver? aggiornamenti per win10?
L'importante è che riproducano decentemente il 5.1/7.1 virtualizzato.

[fraussantin]

Non ti posso aiutare. Non le ho provate personalmente.

Da quello che ho sentito dire la u7 è meglio, ma la creative ha driver piú aggiornati.

Ma ripeto non le ho provate.

[robygr]

recensione dettagliatissima e approfondita della ae-5 da un utente di amazon.com

For a while before I heard of the AE-5, i was looking around for something that checked all of the boxes in regards of the features and support as well including usability that I was looking for to use as a source with my Jotunheim. The Dac module inside of my Jotunheim didn’t fit that bill, neither did the other external dac’s in the price range I had set. Now I not saying they was bad, they just didn’t offer what I wanted.

AE-5 uses a Sabre dac which is the ES9016K2M model. This card is a 5.1 card so those who was expecting a 7.1 card will be disappointed. While the card does have optical, it only decodes and pass the DD and DTS to your receiver.

The card it self uses WIMA for caps with some king of voltage regulars on the card, I don’t know which ones they are using. But the WIMA are some very good caps. Both the headphones and the speaker path ways are design using discrete components, which is a surprised to see them using discrete at all on the card. If your curious about the op-amps that are being used on the AE-5, creative decided to use LME4562 for all of the channels on the card. Usually sound card makers use a single good op-amp on the front channel, while placing jrcs on the rest of the channels, I glad they decided to put it on all of the channels. If you expected to be able to swap op-amps, unless your manually remove op-amps and put your own dip-8 in there place, Then it wont be possible. I don’t really see this as a downside but that's just me.

The first thing when you notice when you take the AE-5 out of it’s packaging, is the molex connector and the 4 pin plug on the top of the card. The molex connector is not used to power the sound card it self, but the RGB lighting feature of the card. The molex sends power to the 4 pin connector on the top of the card where the RGB strip goes.

Creative was nice enough to include one with the card which can be daisy chained with more strips. I do not know if any kind of 5V RGB stripes will work, as I haven’t tried. But creative does sell 3 more if you do not want to take the chance of using 3rd party strips. But they might be priced a little too much, but at around 30 dollars they give you 3 more. I haven’t taken the chance to use other rgb strips my self so I do not know what brands work or not work.

The RGB Lights when in use are very bright which means they will lite up a dark room, If you have a case like mine the Air 540, you will realize the lighting cause your case exhaust holes and fan grills to be projected onto the wall. Some may find that interesting and others not so much. Sadly you can not change the brightness of the RGB lights which is a down side as that really should be a feature.

ASIO

Now asio support, before I got the AE-5, I was trying to use my jotunheim dac’s drivers for asio, that didn’t work as planned, never worked correctly either it glitches or don’t work like it should.. With the AE-5 that problem is gone, asio works perfectly fine. No issues with it glitching, failing to play or simply not work. I even don’t have under runs in FL studio in compared to the asio support of my Jotunheim dac. This is only a minor issue that I have with the AE-5, I don’t know if it’s because of Asio 2.2, or how its is coded. But with the jotunheim dac drivers, I was able to change the bit rate settings. With the AE-5’s asio the only thing I can change is the buffer settings. Its nothing major but minor really as some programs give you the option. FL studio case it doesn’t, I hoping they add the option in a future driver.

DSD

There is not dsd support even when you use one of the direct modes to by pass the dsp to use the dac directly. The support simply may not be in the drivers, or because the way it used on the card. What you can do, is use a program like foobar 2k or another media player and simply convert your DSD to PCM. But for native DSD playback the card does not support it. Now I do not know how it would sound when you do the DSD to PCM conversion but that is the only option for now.

Software Suite/Driver

In the main dashboard, this is where the basic settings are for the BlasterX acoustic engine, scout 2.0, voice clarity, voice morph, EQ and the option to turn off the lighting. Not all of the settings are shown here. You will need to go to there own sections for the lighting, EQ, Scout and Voice Morph which I will go more into.

The audio presets are located in this section as well, they give you a wide range of options, including neutral which will turn off all of the settings. Each setting will bring up information telling what they are for to the right of them. My main issue with the presets comes from the fact, that you can not make more then one. Even though they made them for you, you should still have the option to make more then one.

The sound section is where you can really configure the EQ to your liking including the separate bass and treble bars which lowers or raise them. The other option besides the BlasterX acoustic engine settings which are also here. Is the scout options that are not listed on the dashboard, the short cut option to set the off and on to your keyboard keys and the option to connect to another device in the network, to display the scout radar on another device. There is a second way to display the radar on your mobile device, creative has released a google play app allowing you’re phone to connect automatically after giving it the permission to connect with your computer.

Here is where you have the option to morph your voice using many of the different voice presets, including being able to clean up your voice and block the background noise.

The lighting section, here is where you are able to config the RGB with it different settings, It has 8 presets which when configured is saved as your personal preset. Solo displays a single color, Aurora moves through the section of colors in the way of an actual Aurora, Wave moves the RGB in a wave, which the direction can be set to left, right and Zig zag in either of those directions. You have Pulsate which glows like a heart beat, Mood which is like solo option with the only difference being that it’s more then one color. Then Cycle which goes thru all of the colors. You can also change the speed, which ranges from 10 BPM to a super fast 240 BPM. The motion modes that included works very well, Not really an issue but I do wish you had more options to custom and more then 6 motion choices.

At the bottom of the panel, the setup section, this is where you can config your speaker configuration. You have the options for 5.1 Speakers, Stereo, Direct, Headphones 7.1 and Direct HP. When the Normal speaker modes are used, you are limited to 32bit/96khz due to the Core3D chip being used, But when you switch it to Direct mode, 32bit/384khz will be fully usable. Be warn when you use the Headphone Direct, the volume for the headphones will be loud at first, til you lower the volume bar down and up again. I don’t know if this intended or not.

Next we have the Speaker type settings, they give you the option for Desktop, bookshelf, tower and custom. The custom lets you turn on bass redirection and change the cross over frequency for 5.1 speakers option.
The mixer allows you to send stereo thru out the optical. In the same spot, you have multi-purpose recording, the drop down menu give you the option to record from Line-in, Front and rear microphone.

Last on the list the headphone gain settings, The sound card uses a Discreet headphone amp design that they are calling the X-amp which each channel amps the channels separately. The gain settings are 16ohms(IEMs), 32ohms, 150ohms,330ohms and 600ohms. I have a pair of ATH-AVC400’s which works very well with the headphone jack. Due to an headphone gain safely protection, the headphone gain will reset it self each time you reboot, or exit the software suite. It was done for users of 2-3 sets of headphones, so they don't damage there headphones with an higher gain settings. But I feel this should be optional, since many users that own an single set of headphones, will find setting again annoying on each boot up. I hope creative evidently make it an set off and on setting.

The very last option settings, there nothing much here other then the language, distance units settings and the option to check for updates, starting up when windows starts and resetting to factory default.

The suite is kind of chunky due to a lot of the settings being in more then one place. If they removed duplicate settings, the panel would slim down. Right now settings exist in two places.

Blu ray Audio
Sadly there is no blu ray audio support as all the blue ray movies I tried, the audio was down-mixed to 16bit/48khz LPCM. I tried both normal DSP mode and Direct. The results was the same. I don’t see why they didn’t try to get the support. Maybe that will change in a future driver release.

Gear

For the review I will be using the AE-5 to drive both the Ath-AVC400’s and the ATH-R70x’s. The Avc400s are easier to drive then the R70Xs. I will give results based on how well the X-amp headphone design can handle my R70X’s, which are 470ohms with a high power requirement.

I will also pair the AE-5 with my jotunheim to show you how well it works as a source for an, my JBL LSR 305 will be used for this. I will be using Stereo direct when using the jotunheim and direct hp when doing the music listening with my headphones.

When I doing the game test I will do both stereo and virtual headphone 7.1 mode with SBX at 67%, with none of other settings enabled.

Songs
The songs I decided to go with in this review, they are native flac.

MPIA3 – Your Orders (Techno)
Com Truise – Sunspot (Electronic)
Freeland – Under Control
reinier baas – Squalor (Fusion/Jazz-Rock)

Music

AE-5
ATH-AVC400(Direct HP)

MPIA3 – Your Orders

The song is mostly bass and snares with some electronic songs, the bass is not boomy or muddy, it does a good job of going deep. While at the same time it comes off as being clean as you are easy able to hear the different beats. The electronic instrument is a bit too detailed, but not bright. Could just be the song.

Com Truise – Sunspot
Right off the back the song has a feeling of a spacious type of sound, the drums kit is very accurate due to the fact you can hear exactly how hard hard and soft the drums are played, including the bass. Even the hit hats comes thru very well. Nothing is overlapping each other, you don’t get that feeling that the drums or the snares trying to run each other over. Nothing like that, the bass is not in your face, it just there.

Freeland – Under Control

Song has a very good drum beat to it, similar to sunspot with the way the drum kits comes thru. You can hear the snap of the drums clearly. The voices is hard to say while being clear, it feels like the lead singer is in front of me on the stage. The backup singers are coming from the sides, with one on the far left center almost to the left of you. The sound image does sound a tad 3dish but mostly 2d, with a small to medium size sound stage. Even then the song still sound good to me. Its was hard to say how every thing sounded with these headphones.

Reinier Baas – Squalor

Almost exactly the same as freeland, only instead of voices, its instruments being projected from the front of me and the sides, with it even feeling like there's a second piano behind my right side. while a drum kit and all is behind my left side. Every thing is clear with no brightness any where with the right amount of details. With a 3dish type of sound image. Other then that, nothing sticks out at me.

AE-5 /w Jotunheim (JBL 305)

MPIA3 – Your Orders
The bass comes out very good in this song, it’s not muddy at all, even when the song is nothing but bass with some electronic instruments. Both can be heard very clearly with good detail. None of the instruments are overlapping there is no brightness any where in the song, the highs are just as clean as the rest of the song with details too. Over all the bass is tight and goes deep, ae-5 did a very good job as a source with this song.

Com Truise – Sunspot

Details and cleanness is at the for front in this song, the highs like before is not bright at all, but have a lot of details. With the drums hitting hard at the same time they are not impactful or have that slam type of bass but controlled, snares in the song tell a different story and may are very detailed as you can hear how much they are hit.

Freeland – Under Control

The vocals in this song is very good and are projected from the center of the sound stage and spreads out, the backup singers are also clearly heard coming from the sides of you and re-verbs to the center of you. Almost feels like there in the room with you, including the guitar which comes off as being the front right of you, the drums are very accurate and control as you hear them snap. The snares still have details but unlike the last two songs they are perfect, no out of control details any where in the song. Even the bass sound good in this song as it goes deep while staying clear. The sound stage and image is very well done with great separation.
Reinier Baas – Squalor

Whoa this song sound really good, I can’t put into words on how good this sound. Very similar to the results I heard from free land, but the highs has very good details while at the same time not being too detailed which came off as being smooth. The bass went deep as well but you could hear how deep it went, I don’t know how to explain it. Every thing sound like I'm there listening, there was great sound imaging and separation, even the sound stage was a very good size.

I didn’t expect the ae-5 to be a very good source for my jotunheim, results are even better then my jotunheim dac module which made every thing super bassy and 2dish and no where as clean as this, even the vocals came out better on the ae-5 with my jot. Bass is so much better on the ae-5 in compare to the jotunheim dac module.

AE-5 /w (ATH-R70X) (Direct HP)

MPIA3 – Your Orders

This song does bass really well, it doesn’t over do it on the bass, there is a force to it, but its not of impact to it but enough. There is no static distortion any where, the synthesizer has a good amount of detail in its sound, but its not overly detailed only a hair to my ears. What I like most about this song is the way the bass sounds as the notes doesn’t run into each other.

Freeland – Under Control

When I sit back and listen, I notice the main singer is in front of me, Sounds like hes on stage in front of me. The drummer is behind him as you hear him hitting on the drums, with the bass drum sounding like a bass drum with good accurately. The guitar has a deep feel, in front of me on the left center of the sound image. I can tell where the backup singers are as they sing there line behind the drummer. With a second singer to the left of me as his voice goes from my left to the right as it reverb. With electronic sounds moving around the sound stage. It doesn’t have any brightness and it’s not too detailed, but you can hear the snares without a problem. It sounds wonderful to my ears. Separation is very good too, none of the audio is merged into each other and can be heard as there own instrument and vocal.

Com Truise – Sunspot

Similar sounding to freeland but has a spacious type of sound at the start of the song, While you can hear all the detail of the hit hats maybe a tad tiny, with the accurately of the drums and the deepness of the bass drum, yes it bass is there and you can hear it, but its not impactful, I know I keep using the world accurate for the bass, but its there when the song calls for it. It doesn’t add it self to the songs. Meaning if the song has bass in it, it will be there, if it doesn’t then it wont.

Over all it has the same good separation to it as the other songs had.

Reinier Baas – Squalor

I can’t think of any thing to say other then it sound exactly the same as the other two songs, it is very enjoying to listen to. Very relaxing to sit back and listen. Nothing is out of place or wrong with the song.

AE-5
ATH-AVC400
(Stereo)
Doom 2016

The first thing I notice was the bass, even in the game it goes deep while having power behind it. it’s never too much bass to the point of it static. Which is what I was glad to hear. While I was playing the game, I was able to hear where every thing was. The gun fire from the shotgun sounded like a shotgun and not a peashooter. I heard every thing clearly including all of the sounds on the map. Nothing came off as bright. I def notice the sound stage being some what small, but that was due to the headphones.

Dying light

The results was very similar to doom, only this time I really felt I was in the game, I was actually scared running and panicking, even know I knew it was a game, the infected sound like they was really there. The sound image was really good in this game. The shotgun has power behind it sound. Ae-5 did a very good job with immersion factor.

(VR 7.1 Headphone /w SBX 67%)
Doom 2016

While I was running around the map shooting, the positional sounds was much better then they where with just stereo. I heard every thing coming from every where it was more accurate, at the same time the audio sound just as good as it did when I had it off. Nothing was messed up.

I only had sbx on and none of the other settings, I don’t know what they did, but I don’t recalling sbx working this good before. But that was 6-7 or so months ago when I had an zxr.

Dying light
The results was the same, it was just much more immersion then without it. I it was far more easier to hear where every thing was. I was even able hear a zombie walk up on me while I was picking a lock as I heard it got closer and closer til I heard it right up on me. It was more enjoyable using this function when I was gaming then without it.

AE-5 /w Jotunheim (JBL 305)

Doom 2016
when I was using my dac module, It made doom not enjoyably due to the bass being way too much causing static and other issues with the game audio. The ae-5 is another story, I didn’t have any none of that bass issue that the jotunheim dac module had. The bass had similar sound signature as the songs in regards to sounding good, it still went deep without causing issues with static, it was also controlled. The rest of the game sounds was very good, but the bass was the main reason why I did doom.

Dying light

Every thing was clear while sounding just as good as the songs did, I don’t know what else to say here. The bass was the same way too, the bass from the shotgun was well done. Again the AE-5 worked very well with the jotunheim and my jbl 305s.

AE-5 /w (ATH-R70X)

Games
(Stereo headphone) (Direct HP)
Doom 2016
Sounds really good, with good sound imaging, all of the audio was clean nothing was dirty sounding at the same time it was clear. I didn’t find the game audio to be bright at all or be too detailed. Nothing sounded tinny or too warm.

I used to have bass problems in this game with all of the other sound cards including my USB dac module in my jotunheim. This is the first time the bass doesn’t come out all distorted and clipping. I notice the bass goes deep just like it did in music. As I was shooting demons, it felt very immersion. The guns sounds like guns, you heard every thing as the sounds go off, no game audio was merged together.

Dying light

As I play the game, throwing grenades and hearing them explode without being muddy or statically. You are granted with deep bass, while every thing is so clear. I can hear every sound detail, fire arms have power behind there shots, so they sound like guns and not peashooters. It’s not too much bass or too little, it just right. Sound image is very good, I knew what was coming from me, as well when I was running with zombies behind me. There wasn’t a hint of brightness any where.

(VR 7.1 Headphone mod /w SBX %67)
Doom 2016

The sound imaging and positional audio is much better then it was in stereo, I find it to be a much more immersion experience then it was without it. Every thing still sound good, as the audio is not outta whack. It was more accurate on where all the demons was. I don’t know what going on, but I found it to work better then what I remembered. It could be the VR headphone 7.1 speaker mode being used along with SBX. I enjoyed game more then I did without it. As I was also able to hear overhead audio better too. It didn’t have some form of echo to me either.

Dying light

The results was the same as Doom while still sounding good, it worked even better in the game then it did in doom. I even heard the infected walking under me when I was standing on a light pole. Game audio still sounded good including the voices. I didn’t have any issues at all with the way it sound. It was all clear.

Conclusion

I been enjoying this card every since I got it, the performance surprised me as I didn’t know what to expect. It sounded very good with my jotunheim even paired very good too. I not gonna lie, I liked it a lot better then I did the dac module inside my jotunheim.

It even sound good with my R70X’s plugged directly into the card it self along with the AVC400. I went in thinking that I may not like the card and that it might get sent back. But none of that is gonna happen as I def keeping this card.

The X-Amp designed headphone amp perform very well with my AVC400s and surprised me when I tried my R70x with it. I don’t know the power ratings it supplies for each of the ohm settings. But it handled the R70X which I had set to 600ohms, because there wasn’t an ohm setting for 470ohm. I also had to use around 15% volume. Of course it not on the same level as my jotunheim, but I still liked how it performed on the AE-5.

Even as I tried other songs then what I mentioned in the review, and I really enjoying it.

The VR headphone 7.1 used along with SBX at 67% did a very good job in the games I tested. I haven’t tried the VR headphone 7.1 speaker mode by it self, I only assume it worked with SBX on.

There are glitches in the software but that kind of effected when something new just come out, Hoping creative fixes it, so the ohm settings will stop resetting, maybe add a 3rd headphone setting for Stereo, so one won’t have to use Direct Headphone and lower and raise the volume each time before use so they don't get blasted out there chair from the volume.

Until they fix the setting with the headphone gain, I would wait on the card if your plan is to use headphones only, unless changing the gain on reboot doesn't bother you. But if your the type that uses speakers only, or looking for a source to run into your external headphone amp. Then this issue wont be a problem. Being able to send the VR hp 7.1 to the line out is a great plus. In my view they have something even with no DSD support, All they need to do is work out the glitches in the software and what not and they be set.

I emailed creative about the headphone gain setting resetting and they said it was for safety reasons, for those who have more then one headphones. So they don't forget to set the gain back, when they decide to use an 32 gain headphone instead of the 600ohm gain one they was using.

[gabmamb]

Originariamente inviato da gabmamb

scusa ma se lo dici in generale dissento perchè io con il chip realtek integrato in BF1 non riesco assolutamente a percepire un nemico alle spalla o laterale fuori visuale!

cmq mi segno perchè sono alla ricerca di una scheda audio gaming che virtualizzi bene ma mi permetta di ascoltare anche la musica come si deve ma senza pretese da filarmonica!!!!

il mio grosso problema è che ora sono tutte pci-ex e lo slot libero e vicino alla scheda video!
P.S.: ho avuto la SB_Z bulk e l'ho rimandata indietro.....

devo essere trasparente....

[fraussantin]

Originariamente inviato da gabmamb

scusa ma se lo dici in generale dissento perchè io con il chip realtek integrato in BF1 non riesco assolutamente a percepire un nemico alle spalla o laterale fuori visuale!

cmq mi segno perchè sono alla ricerca di una scheda audio gaming che virtualizzi bene ma mi permetta di ascoltare anche la musica come si deve ma senza pretese da filarmonica!!!!

il mio grosso problema è che ora sono tutte pci-ex e lo slot libero e vicino alla scheda video!
P.S.: ho avuto la SB_Z bulk e l'ho rimandata indietro.....

premesso che io ho la bulk appiccicata alla scheda video e non ho disturbi di nessun genere( magari era difettata la tua) , ci sono le boxate , le esterne tipo la u7 , o semplicemente questi cavetti