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xipe1 · 10-01-2008, 13:42

vale la pena un PHENOM 9500 step b a euro 169,90 ?

Ross74 · 10-01-2008, 13:49

con ati non crashava ora comunque formatto e riparto....

lor68pdit · 10-01-2008, 14:11

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Originariamente inviato da xipe1

vale la pena un PHENOM 9500 step b a euro 169,90 ?

Se proprio vuoi un phenom prendi almeno il 9600

Errik89 · 10-01-2008, 14:25

beh dai, se rimane a 2.88ghz a vcore def non è niente male. Spero che almeno i 3ghz ad aria si riescano a prendere!
Secondo me il pc a ross74 crasha per l'HT troppo alto (2.2ghz contro 1.8ghz)... prova ad abbassare il molti dell'HT!!

capitan_crasy · 10-01-2008, 14:41

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Originariamente inviato da dagon1978

hola! tornato da una lunga e riposante vacanza
speravo di trovare qualche novità interessante, ma ancora tutto langue giusto?
si ha un'idea di quando uscirà il B3?
ho già dato un occhio in prima pagina, ma mi pare che non ci siano grandi differenze da quello che si sapeva a dicembre...

p.s.
auguri a tutti

Ciao e ben tornato:

Riassunto:

Phenom B2 9100E 1.80Ghz a 65W in uscita a gennaio/febbraio
Phenom B2 9700 2.40Ghz in uscita a fine gennaio
Phenom B3: Approvazione Step in corso, entrata in produzione in volumi entro febbraio/marzo con disponibilità sul mercato dopo due mesi circa.
Phenom B4 o C1: Inizio testing sul silicio entro marzo/aprile; inizio produzione i volumi stimata entro agosto...

lor68pdit · 10-01-2008, 14:42

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Originariamente inviato da Errik89

beh dai, se rimane a 2.88ghz a vcore def non è niente male. Spero che almeno i 3ghz ad aria si riescano a prendere!
Secondo me il pc a ross74 crasha per l'HT troppo alto (2.2ghz contro 1.8ghz)... prova ad abbassare il molti dell'HT!!

Infatti l'avevo fatto presente il discorso dell'HT. Spero l'abbia letto

dagon1978 · 10-01-2008, 15:21

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Originariamente inviato da capitan_crasy

Ciao e ben tornato:

Riassunto:

Phenom B2 9100E 1.80Ghz a 65W in uscita a gennaio/febbraio
Phenom B2 9700 2.40Ghz in uscita a fine gennaio
Phenom B3: Approvazione Step in corso, entrata in produzione in volumi entro febbraio/marzo con disponibilità sul mercato dopo due mesi circa.
Phenom B4 o C1: Inizio testing sul silicio entro marzo/aprile; inizio produzione i volumi stimata entro agosto...

gentilissimo, cmq sono sempre più in ritardo purtroppo, speriamo almeno che il B3 porti davvero quel boost che serve

degli opteron nessuna notizia? tutto bloccato in attesa del B3 immagino
e mi domando a cosa serva un phenom a 1.8ghz, avevano un senso gli opty, ma i phenom? bah

esticbo · 10-01-2008, 15:33

Ciao avete giá letto da tom questo??:

AMD Phenom vs. Athlon: confronto diretto

Clicca qui...

787b · 10-01-2008, 15:36

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Originariamente inviato da esticbo

Ciao avete giá letto da tom questo??:

AMD Phenom vs. Athlon: confronto diretto

Clicca qui...

già postato

Ross74 · 10-01-2008, 15:39

ok baldi giovani allora formattato tutto reinstallato il sis buttato su la xfx 8800gts 512 lanciato 3dmark 06 con cpu a 2,644 risultato 12.540

787b · 10-01-2008, 15:42

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Originariamente inviato da Ross74

ok baldi giovani allora formattato tutto reinstallato il sis buttato su la xfx 8800gts 512 lanciato 3dmark 06 con cpu a 2,644 risultato 12.540

ma di solito quanto si fa con un c2d?

8kikko2 · 10-01-2008, 16:05

Contrary to its earlier statements, AMD has now revealed that its 2.4GHz quad-core Phenom 9700 and 2.6GHz Phenom 9900 have both been delayed until the second quarter of 2008. AMD hasn't said how this will impact the introduction of the 2.8GHz and 3GHz parts that were originally projected for late in Q2, but these will almost certainly be delayed as well.

AMD does have a new Phenom planned for the first quarter, but the company is choosing to focus once again on power efficiency over performance. AMD hasn't released specifics, but has confirmed that the upcoming Phenom 9100E will be a low power part at an undisclosed frequency. Given the Phenom 9500's 95W TDP at 2.3GHz, it's reasonable to assume AMD is aiming for a TDP of ~65W. Assuming that AMD adheres to the rating system it has established with Phenom thus far, clockspeed should be around 1.8GHz.

It's not clear yet whether the delay of the Phenom 9600 and 9900 correspond to a delay with AMD's B3 stepping. Presumably B3—intended to fix the Phenom's much-publicized TLB erratum—is still on track and AMD is simply waiting for it to be ready before it launches new Phenom speed grades. The alternative would be to ship B2 9600/9900 parts almost immediately followed by B3 9600/9900 parts, which wouldn't make much sense for any company.

Rumors have also surfaced that the company won't ship 45nm parts in volume until early 2009. AMD stated at its financial analyst day in December that it intended to ship 45nm parts within 12 months, but the conversion of Fab 30 (currently at 65nm/90nm) to Fab 38 (at 45nm) has only just begun. The company's next-generation 45nm Shanghai core also has not been built on silicon yet.

With no new Phenom parts shipping until Q2, AMD plans to spend Q1 focusing on the launch of its tri-core "Toliman" processors. Without more information on pricing and clockspeed, it's hard to predict what impact, if any, these upcoming chips will have on AMD's market position. Toliman could potentially be an enticing upgrade path for K8 owners on Socket AM2, especially if the new CPU line debuts at dual-core price points.

If Sunnyvale can't offer a higher clock than Phenom's current 2.3GHz, however, much of the processor's potential appeal is going to vanish—moving from a dual-core at 2.8GHz to a triple-core at 2.3GHz isn't going to appeal to most enthusiasts. Initial Toliman CPUs will also be based on current K10 steppings—don't expect AMD's B3 stepping to show up in the tri-core line before it moves to the quad-core products.

These delays could indicate that AMD's ability to execute its own roadmap is declining, or they could be signs that the company is shifting its own priorities. It's hopefully obvious to everyone at AMD HQ that the decision to push forward with a "native" quad-core solution rather than focusing on dual-core or Intel-style multichip module-based quad-core products was a colossal failure. Cheap quad-core chips are a wonderful thing for the handful of users that need them, but they're a poor value at any price to the majority of the market that can't take advantage of their capabilities.

If dialing back on Phenom gives AMD additional resources to put towards Kuma (K10 dual-core with 1MB of L2) and its forthcoming 45nm Shanghai processor, then these announcements are actually good tidings. Barring a massive clockspeed boost, Barcelona will never be capable of taking the fight to Intel the way K8 did during the P4 era; the resources the company might expend squeezing an extra speed grade out of K10 might well be used more effectively elsewhere

Related Stories

* AMD plans tri-core launch in Feb, cancels Quad FX initiative
* AMD planning new dual core products for Q2 2008
* AMD dishes the dirt on upcoming Phenom products
* Phenom rumored to launch at top speed of 2.4GHz

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...r-variant.html

dagon1978 · 10-01-2008, 16:15

8kikko2, manca il link alla fonte
cmq concordo in pieno con quanto scritto in questo articolo, ho l'impressione che tra ritardi e problemi non sappiano neanche più loro che pesci pigliare

lor68pdit · 10-01-2008, 16:18

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Originariamente inviato da Ross74

ok baldi giovani allora formattato tutto reinstallato il sis buttato su la xfx 8800gts 512 lanciato 3dmark 06 con cpu a 2,644 risultato 12.540

Mi dici come va la mobo? Impressioni?
Purtroppo mi hanno detto che la mia è defunta.
Vorrei acquistare la M3A32-MVP Deluxe WiFi con i dissi delle ram heatpipe inclusi e volevo un tuo parere visto che la stai provando.
Scusate l'OT

maxsona · 10-01-2008, 16:59

Che palle! pure il 780G in ritardo

... scommetto che il Geforce 8200 ci andrà dietro

maxsona · 10-01-2008, 17:01

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ASUS to introduce AMD 780G board M3A78-EMH HDMI Link

ASUS will soon announce this mainboard model M3A78-EMH HDMI. From it's name, it is not difficult to guess that this board supports the AM2+ processors Phenom and all series of AM2 processors.

The board is based on AMD 780G north bridge and paired with SB700 south bridge. The North bridge comes with IGP of RV610 level. It is DX10.1 compliant. If the 3D performance is not good enough, you can pair it up with another card to run the board in Hybrid CrossFire X mode.

Alternatively, you can use Surround view to hook up more monitors.
The mainboard comes with 1x PCIe Gen2 x16, 1x PCIe x1, 2x PCI, 1x PATA, 6x SATA2, HDMI, DVI und VGA and Realtek ALC883 8ch.

Here are some basic specs of the board :
IGP ATI RV610 with DX10.1
Hybrid CrossFireX and Surroundview
1x PCIe Gen2 x16, 1x PCIe x1, 2x PCI
1x PATA, 6x SATA2,
HDMI, DVI und VGA
Audio realtek ALC883 8ch

http://www.ocworkbench.com

maxsona · 10-01-2008, 17:05

Jetway BA-100 con AMD770 chipset

Ross74 · 10-01-2008, 17:06

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Originariamente inviato da lor68pdit

Mi dici come va la mobo? Impressioni?
Purtroppo mi hanno detto che la mia è defunta.
Vorrei acquistare la M3A32-MVP Deluxe WiFi con i dissi delle ram heatpipe inclusi e volevo un tuo parere visto che la stai provando.
Scusate l'OT

la mobo (non è quella con il wireless) va molto bene ottimo bios bellissimo sitema di raffreddamento buona disposizione degli attacchi sata ti dico il procio si comporta bene unico neo il dissi in rame laterale e troppo vicino al soket quindi uno zalman forse non ci sta

capitan_crasy · 10-01-2008, 17:06

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Originariamente inviato da 8kikko2

CUT

Grazie per la segnalazione, ma manca il link di origine della notizia...

Comunque si sono delle imprecisioni:
Il Phenom 9700 a 2.40Ghz non è previsto nel 2 trimestre 2008, ma bensì a fine gennaio; la prova è che ormai tantissimi siti di shop on-line hanno in listino questa CPU, compresi quelli italiani.
Naturalmente tale CPU sarà uno step B2...
E' sbagliato mettere i 45nm nel 2009 solo perchè AMD non ha presentato Roadmap 2008 con tali CPU al "Financial Analyst Day".
AMD non ha introdotto R700 in queste roadmap 2008, ma ormai la nuova GPU è in "Tape OUT" e RV770 sarà pronta per il mercato fra 4/5 mesi...
AMD produce wafer con tecnologia a 45nm già da aprile 2006, il suo problema è che attualmente non ha un die shrink definitivo.
Inoltre è assolutamente sbagliato calcolare i lunghi tempi di conversione della FAB30 in FAB38 in quando nel passaggio dal 65nm al 45nm SOI AMD non dovrà effettuare nessun cambiamento nei processo di produzione, riducendo drasticamente i costi e i tempi di attesa...

capitan_crasy · 10-01-2008, 17:15

Quote:

Originariamente inviato da maxsona

ASUS to introduce AMD 780G board M3A78-EMH HDMI Link

ASUS will soon announce this mainboard model M3A78-EMH HDMI. From it's name, it is not difficult to guess that this board supports the AM2+ processors Phenom and all series of AM2 processors.

The board is based on AMD 780G north bridge and paired with SB700 south bridge. The North bridge comes with IGP of RV610 level. It is DX10.1 compliant. If the 3D performance is not good enough, you can pair it up with another card to run the board in Hybrid CrossFire X mode.

Alternatively, you can use Surround view to hook up more monitors.
The mainboard comes with 1x PCIe Gen2 x16, 1x PCIe x1, 2x PCI, 1x PATA, 6x SATA2, HDMI, DVI und VGA and Realtek ALC883 8ch.

Here are some basic specs of the board :
IGP ATI RV610 with DX10.1
Hybrid CrossFireX and Surroundview
1x PCIe Gen2 x16, 1x PCIe x1, 2x PCI
1x PATA, 6x SATA2,
HDMI, DVI und VGA
Audio realtek ALC883 8ch

Clicca qui...

Grazie per la segnalazione...

Asus si appresta a presentare la scheda mamma M3A78-EMH HDMI con il nuovo chipset 780G e SB700.
La scheda dovrebbe avere uno slot PCI-Express 2.0 16X, uno slot PCI-Express 1X, due slot PCI, 6 porte SATA2, Lan 10/100/1000/ HD Audio realtek ALC883 8 canali, uscita video HDMI, DVI e VGA.
La scheda verrà proposta in formato micro-ATX...

Aggiornamento:

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Originariamente inviato da maxsona

Manuale

10-01-2008, 13:42	#3421
xipe1 Member Iscritto dal: Apr 2003 Città: San Benedetto del Tronto (AP) Messaggi: 241	vale la pena un PHENOM 9500 step b a euro 169,90 ? __________________ ABIT NF-M2 nView ,AMD Athlon 64 X2 6.400+ Black Edition, Coolermaster Gemini ,Corsair TWIN XMS2 2X1024-6400 ,Gigabite 7600 GT Silent Pipe II ,Segate 2x250 GB Sata II 7200.10 Raid 0, Corsair Hx Modular 620WinXp Pro Sp2 Ultima modifica di xipe1 : 10-01-2008 alle 13:45.

10-01-2008, 13:49	#3422
Ross74 Senior Member Iscritto dal: Jun 2005 Messaggi: 307	con ati non crashava ora comunque formatto e riparto.... __________________ AMD phenom 2 X4 980 4gb DDR3 OCZ Vga Zotac 260GTX 1 GB ,case coler master Mystique Hd Velociraptor 300gb MANIBOARD ASUS M3A32 deluxe

10-01-2008, 14:25	#3424
Errik89 Senior Member Iscritto dal: Aug 2006 Città: Milano Messaggi: 7142	beh dai, se rimane a 2.88ghz a vcore def non è niente male. Spero che almeno i 3ghz ad aria si riescano a prendere! Secondo me il pc a ross74 crasha per l'HT troppo alto (2.2ghz contro 1.8ghz)... prova ad abbassare il molti dell'HT!! __________________ PC DESK: RYZEN 7 3700X - ASROCK B550-ITX - 32GB DDR4 GSKILL AEGIS 3200MHZ - GEFORCE RTX3070 - CRUCIAL P5 1TB PCI-E + SEAGATE 2TB - 40" 4K - WIN11 - CM 750G - CM Q500L - iPhone 14Pro Max - iPad 9th - MacBook Air M2 NOTEBOOK GIGABYTE AERO 15 OLED: I5 10870H - 32GB DDR4 - GEFORCE RTX 3070 8GB - 1TB PCI-E - 15" OLED 4K

10-01-2008, 15:39	#3430
Ross74 Senior Member Iscritto dal: Jun 2005 Messaggi: 307	ok baldi giovani allora formattato tutto reinstallato il sis buttato su la xfx 8800gts 512 lanciato 3dmark 06 con cpu a 2,644 risultato 12.540 __________________ AMD phenom 2 X4 980 4gb DDR3 OCZ Vga Zotac 260GTX 1 GB ,case coler master Mystique Hd Velociraptor 300gb MANIBOARD ASUS M3A32 deluxe

10-01-2008, 16:05	#3432
8kikko2 Senior Member Iscritto dal: Oct 2004 Città: Nel Mondo Messaggi: 764	AMD delays Phenom 9700 into Q2, preps low-power variant Contrary to its earlier statements, AMD has now revealed that its 2.4GHz quad-core Phenom 9700 and 2.6GHz Phenom 9900 have both been delayed until the second quarter of 2008. AMD hasn't said how this will impact the introduction of the 2.8GHz and 3GHz parts that were originally projected for late in Q2, but these will almost certainly be delayed as well. AMD does have a new Phenom planned for the first quarter, but the company is choosing to focus once again on power efficiency over performance. AMD hasn't released specifics, but has confirmed that the upcoming Phenom 9100E will be a low power part at an undisclosed frequency. Given the Phenom 9500's 95W TDP at 2.3GHz, it's reasonable to assume AMD is aiming for a TDP of ~65W. Assuming that AMD adheres to the rating system it has established with Phenom thus far, clockspeed should be around 1.8GHz. It's not clear yet whether the delay of the Phenom 9600 and 9900 correspond to a delay with AMD's B3 stepping. Presumably B3—intended to fix the Phenom's much-publicized TLB erratum—is still on track and AMD is simply waiting for it to be ready before it launches new Phenom speed grades. The alternative would be to ship B2 9600/9900 parts almost immediately followed by B3 9600/9900 parts, which wouldn't make much sense for any company. Rumors have also surfaced that the company won't ship 45nm parts in volume until early 2009. AMD stated at its financial analyst day in December that it intended to ship 45nm parts within 12 months, but the conversion of Fab 30 (currently at 65nm/90nm) to Fab 38 (at 45nm) has only just begun. The company's next-generation 45nm Shanghai core also has not been built on silicon yet. With no new Phenom parts shipping until Q2, AMD plans to spend Q1 focusing on the launch of its tri-core "Toliman" processors. Without more information on pricing and clockspeed, it's hard to predict what impact, if any, these upcoming chips will have on AMD's market position. Toliman could potentially be an enticing upgrade path for K8 owners on Socket AM2, especially if the new CPU line debuts at dual-core price points. If Sunnyvale can't offer a higher clock than Phenom's current 2.3GHz, however, much of the processor's potential appeal is going to vanish—moving from a dual-core at 2.8GHz to a triple-core at 2.3GHz isn't going to appeal to most enthusiasts. Initial Toliman CPUs will also be based on current K10 steppings—don't expect AMD's B3 stepping to show up in the tri-core line before it moves to the quad-core products. These delays could indicate that AMD's ability to execute its own roadmap is declining, or they could be signs that the company is shifting its own priorities. It's hopefully obvious to everyone at AMD HQ that the decision to push forward with a "native" quad-core solution rather than focusing on dual-core or Intel-style multichip module-based quad-core products was a colossal failure. Cheap quad-core chips are a wonderful thing for the handful of users that need them, but they're a poor value at any price to the majority of the market that can't take advantage of their capabilities. If dialing back on Phenom gives AMD additional resources to put towards Kuma (K10 dual-core with 1MB of L2) and its forthcoming 45nm Shanghai processor, then these announcements are actually good tidings. Barring a massive clockspeed boost, Barcelona will never be capable of taking the fight to Intel the way K8 did during the P4 era; the resources the company might expend squeezing an extra speed grade out of K10 might well be used more effectively elsewhere Related Stories * AMD plans tri-core launch in Feb, cancels Quad FX initiative * AMD planning new dual core products for Q2 2008 * AMD dishes the dirt on upcoming Phenom products * Phenom rumored to launch at top speed of 2.4GHz http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...r-variant.html __________________ ho concluso con :lonzana,energy+,Mpenza,Billi16.88rio88,NONNO,CastaTop86,blow82 http://abolizionecanonetelecom.antidigitaldivide.org Acer 5920 moddato from t7300 to t9300 Ultima modifica di 8kikko2 : 10-01-2008 alle 19:05.

10-01-2008, 15:33	#3428
esticbo Bannato Iscritto dal: Sep 2003 Città: Monza (Terrassa - Barcelona - España) Messaggi: 7610	Ciao avete giá letto da tom questo??: AMD Phenom vs. Athlon: confronto diretto Clicca qui...

10-01-2008, 16:15	#3433
dagon1978 Senior Member Iscritto dal: Mar 2004 Messaggi: 1464	8kikko2, manca il link alla fonte cmq concordo in pieno con quanto scritto in questo articolo, ho l'impressione che tra ritardi e problemi non sappiano neanche più loro che pesci pigliare

10-01-2008, 16:59	#3435
maxsona Senior Member Iscritto dal: Dec 2000 Città: Verona Messaggi: 3168	Che palle! pure il 780G in ritardo ... scommetto che il Geforce 8200 ci andrà dietro __________________ My Flickr

10-01-2008, 17:05	#3437
maxsona Senior Member Iscritto dal: Dec 2000 Città: Verona Messaggi: 3168	Jetway BA-100 con AMD770 chipset __________________ My Flickr

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