creiamo un 3d "do not speak italian"

[nascimentos]

Cosa ne dite di creare un 3d dove si parli solo in inglese?
In questo modo avremmo la possibilità tutti di migliorare il nostro inglese (che è indispensabile per sopravvivere).

Servirebbe però un moderatore del 3d che, ovviamente, conosca l'inglese ad un livello ottimo.

Io direi di introdurre ogni settimana un argomento nuovo e di parlarne in inglese.

Ho pensato anche al titolo del 3d che dovrà essere inserito in questa sezione (Scuola e lavoro): "Do not speak italian".



Che ne dite?

[redsith]

Che potevi dirlo in inglese, per cominciare

[nascimentos]

Originariamente inviato da redsith
Che potevi dirlo in inglese, per cominciare

you have reason: i could

[LadyLag]

Originariamente inviato da nascimentos
you have reason: i could

[nascimentos]

Originariamente inviato da LadyLag

eheh: i must learn english yet

[killerone]

I think it's a great idea!
Anyone can help us?

[gargamella75]

I can discuss with you, but we absolutely need a supervisor!!!

[dbpass]

today i'm very happy cause finally i was able to crack this damned fuk'd program!! i rule all over d@ world i'm 31337 very c00l guy with kickass pow3r inside me

cu guyZ

[killerone]

no slang

[nascimentos]

Originariamente inviato da gargamella75
I can discuss with you, but we absolutely need a supervisor!!!

oh yes

but now i think that we can speak without supervisor

[TXFW]

I like the idea.

We should actually try to figure out a set of rules.

I mean..... flame (it could be interesting), no flame? News, PC (personal computers), PC (politically correctness), politics? What else?

Should it be considered "scuola e lavoro" regardless of the topic, since we are actually trying to improve our skills?

What do the admins have to say about that?

Cheers,

M.

[gurutech]

Originariamente inviato da Foy
Sinceramente sei su un forum italiano: non per essere sgarbato, ma se vuoi parlare in inglese potevi andare su un forum inglese...
Inoltre posso capire che l'inglese è ormai lingua universale e che ha il suo fascino, ma tu sei italiano, parli con gli altri principalrmente italiano ed è parte delle tue radici.

it's much easier if you can discuss about arguments well known in your culture, and surely shared over all partecipants in this forum. If you subscribe in a foreign forum, there is some risk to not understand anything, and no one can spiegare cosa intendeva dire nella tua lingua madre.

[Commando]

I can't speak a word of English. I 'xpect that means I'll have to piss off, dunnit? Before I do, may I delight you with a tad of Uncle James?

Once upon a time and a very good time it was there was a moocow coming down along the road and this moocow that was coming down along the road met a nicens little boy named baby tuckoo

His father told him that story: his father looked at him through a glass: he had a hairy face.

He was baby tuckoo. The moocow came down the road where Betty Byrne lived: she sold lemon platt.

[Yashiro]

'Course, learning to write in English can be useful, but the most important things to learn a language are:


- Understanding the spoken language

-Understanding the words "between the lines"

Even the last thing I wrote (between the lins) is a tipical italian form and translating it word by word probably wouldn't have the same meaning....

There are many verbal forms for each language and most of times they cannot be translated, just explained and used in their native language.


By the way, how could you translate (e.g.) "raining cats and dogs" ???

Well, if we had to think about foreign visitors of this forum, we should always take care of using a simple language without complex forms -> and this is impossible, as many users (and people) doesn't even know his own language...



I already started many days ago, my sign is ENG!

[Commando]

By the way, how could you translate (e.g.) "raining cats and dogs" ???

My Italian sucks the big one but I'd suggest:

"Piove a catinelle" or "Vien giù che Dio la manda".

[Yashiro]

Ok, but it's an interpretation, not a translation

For the phrase to make sense you can't do anything but you did!

[Commando]

Originariamente inviato da Yashiro
Ok, but it's an interpretation, not a translation

For the phrase to make sense you can't do anything but you did!

Maybe you should look at the word "translation" in a broader sense

"It's raining cats and dogs" is an idiomatic expression just as much as "Piove a catinelle" or "Vien giù che Dio la manda". In normal speech (I'm calling it like this for simplicity's sake), it is a perfectly acceptable translation where the intended meaning is fully conveyed.

Now, what if the expression occurs in a literary text where etimology and the likes come into play? Were this the case, there could very well be a number of cross-references in the prototext which would go amiss in the metatext if the translator chose an acceptable translation rather than an adequate one (see Osimo, "Propedeutica della traduzione" for more on this issue). To make a long story short, there are no set rules to follow: the translation will depend on the context, the target audience and a number of other factors. But in the situation you mentioned, i.e. an idiomatic expression devoid of context, the translations I suggested are indisputable

[Yashiro]

I noticed only now that I am in the school&work sub-section!



What am I doing here?!?!?!?

School????

WORK???????


ARGH!!!!!

I'M LEAVING!!!

[Commando]

Ok, I'll make an example then

As I said before, taken out of context "Piove a catinelle" is an acceptable translation for "It's raining cats and dogs".

Now, let's broaden things a bit. Take this passage, for instance:

"Pioveva a catinelle e non si vedeva in giro un solo animale".

You can tell that in this case it just doesn't make sense to translate the sentence with "It was raining cats and dogs and there wasn't a single animal about". If you do, you're creating a pun that is not there in the Italian original. You'll have to go for something more straightforward, like "It was bucketing down and there wasn't a single animal about".

[nascimentos]

Originariamente inviato da Foy
to use English in a forum can't help you so much!

yes, but this can help us to improve

i see that a lot of you know to speak english: why don't one of you give his availability to do the supervisor?