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Iscritto dal: Jul 2001
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Link alla notizia: http://www.hwupgrade.it/news/sicurez...dns_26069.html
Sono state erroneamente pubblicate sul Web alcune informazioni riguardanti una falla recentemente riscontrata nel Domain Name System. Ora urge una patch correttiva Click sul link per visualizzare la notizia. |
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Senior Member
Iscritto dal: Nov 2004
Città: Palermo
Messaggi: 787
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Della falla se ne era parlato parecchio.. ma la patch è già in giro da una settimana se non erro, quindi niente allarmismi
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Iscritto dal: May 2004
Messaggi: 8343
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sono daccordo anche perche chi voleva sapere in dettaglio quale era la falla lo poteva fare in poche ora all'uscita delle prime patch tramite il reverseenginering della fix o prendendo i sorgenti delle versioni linux che sono open.
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Senior Member
Iscritto dal: Jan 2003
Città: Atlantide (AT)
Messaggi: 2504
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Comunque la patch è in giro dall' 8 luglio..
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Iscritto dal: Apr 2008
Messaggi: 122
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A bunch of m**********g monkeys...
Cosa diceva il buon Torvalds
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Senior Member
Iscritto dal: Mar 2005
Città: Ravenna
Messaggi: 1937
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Che non bisogna parlare senza sapere di cosa si parla, o si rischiano di dire una matassa di cavolate.
La Falla non è nel Software DNS Gnu/Linux, piuttosto che in quello Micsrosoft, piuttosto che Apple ecc ecc è una falla a livello di protocollo, come tale coinvolge tutti i possibili tipi di server DNS disponibili nel mondo, tant'è che anche Microsoft e Apple come si legge hanno contribuito alla comune soluzione del problema, senza essere legata alla specifica implementazione. Un'altro Fan Boy che ha perso un'ottima occasione per stare zitto
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Senior Member
Iscritto dal: Jan 2003
Città: Roma
Messaggi: 2821
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attacchi di dns poison esistono da anni, a che si riferiva la vulnerabilità in questione?
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Senior Member
Iscritto dal: Dec 2005
Città: Tuglie (LE)
Messaggi: 316
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Senior Member
Iscritto dal: Jan 2004
Città: Pistoia
Messaggi: 942
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è possibile allora che per questo problema, "lo chiedo da profano" , la mia connessione libero a 8 mega vada come una 56 kbps e abbia dei ping di 10000ms ovvero 10 secondi invece che 100ms
la patch mi risolverebbe qualcosa se si cosa devo fare, aiutatemi grazie |
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Senior Member
Iscritto dal: Mar 2005
Città: Ravenna
Messaggi: 1937
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Non si tratta, ripeto, di un baco tanto a livello software, ma a livello del protocollo DNS, e nemmeno riguarda l'ambito prestazionale ma l'ambito di sicurezza. Il tuo pc è un Client Dns, non un Server Dns (detta stringata stringata), non c'è nemmeno nulla sul tuo pc cui si possa applicare la patch.
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Iscritto dal: Mar 2005
Messaggi: 512
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@ studentediiin
Il problema non sono/saranno le prestazioni ma + che altro il phishing. Immaginati ad inserire l'url della tua banca e che il DNS , opportunamente crackato, invece di dati l'indirizzo della tua banca ti rimanda l'indirizzo di un sito fasullo,dove tu inserirai i dati di accesso al tuo conto corrente. Un phishing 2.0 molto + furbo e quasi impossibile da scoprire. L'unica nota positiva è che finalmente mi si libererà la casella da tutte quelle mail della banca di Roma |
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Iscritto dal: Apr 2008
Messaggi: 122
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Senso dell' humour zero eh
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Iscritto dal: Apr 2003
Messaggi: 687
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Iscritto dal: Nov 2007
Messaggi: 42
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l'unico distirbo è stato disinstallare zonealarm
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Senior Member
Iscritto dal: Mar 2005
Città: Ravenna
Messaggi: 1937
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@ech0s
Allora scusami, ma il tuo commento così come l'hai fatto sembrava tanto una trollata anti Gnu/linux del tipo "Linus accusa gli altri di badare troppo alla sicurezza, e poi il suo sistema è bacatissimo!" Scusa ancora se ho frainteso |
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Senior Member
Iscritto dal: Sep 2005
Città: Roma
Messaggi: 1609
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Questa è la conferma che il non disclosure non serve ad una sega. Tantopiù che in questo caso Dan non ha rilasciato dettagli solamente per fare il suo speech al prossimo Black Hat.
C'è chi ha apprezzato il fatto che non abbia venduto questa info ad una delle tante società di sicurezza, ricavandoci dei soldi. Secondo me, ha fatto comunque una figura barbina, visto che i dettagli bene o male sono usciti fuori lo stesso... Avrebbe fatto meglio a non lasciare alcun post e a non far trapelare nulla fino al BH e fare lì il colpo ad effetto. Comunque una soluzione c'è e si sta implementando in questi giorni. Amen. |
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Iscritto dal: May 2007
Messaggi: 513
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http://www.matasano.com/log/1103/rel...kys-discovery/
L'autore fa alcune premesse, e spiega un po i meccanismi del DNS (parte 1) sottolineando quali sono state le vulnerabilità del passato (parte 2 /3) e come sono state chiuse (parte 4) per poi svelare che l'attuale vulnerabilità le sfrutta entrambe bypassando le misure di sicurezza che sono state poste in essere a protezione di quelle stesse vulnerabilita. (parte 5) Reliable DNS Forgery in 2008: Kaminsky’s Discovery ecopeland | July 21st, 2008 | Filed Under: Uncategorized 0. The cat is out of the bag. Yes, Halvar Flake figured out the flaw Dan Kaminsky will announce at Black Hat. 1. Pretend for the moment that you know only the basic function of DNS — that it translates WWW.VICTIM.COM into 1.2.3.4. The code that does this is called a resolver. Each time the resolver contacts the DNS to translate names to addresses, it creates a packet called a query. The exchange of packets is called a transaction. Since the number of packets flying about on the internet requires scientific notation to express, you can imagine there has to be some way of not mixing them up. Bob goes to to a deli, to get a sandwich. Bob walks up to the counter, takes a pointy ticket from a round red dispenser. The ticket has a number on it. This will be Bob’s unique identifier for his sandwich acquisition transaction. Note that the number will probably be used twice — once when he is called to the counter to place his order and again when he’s called back to get his sandwich. If you’re wondering, Bob likes ham on rye with no onions. If you’ve got this, you have the concept of transaction IDs, which are numbers assigned to keep different transactions in order. Conveniently, the first sixteen bits of a DNS packet is just such a unique identifier. It’s called a query id (QID). And with the efficiency of the deli, the QID is used for multiple transactions. 2. Until very recently, there were two basic classes of DNS vulnerabilities. One of them involves mucking about with the QID in DNS packets and the other requires you to know the Deep Magic. First, QIDs. Bob’s a resolver and Alice is a content DNS server. Bob asks Alice for the address of WWW.VICTIM.COM. The answer is 1.2.3.4. Mallory would like the answer to be 6.6.6.0. It is a (now not) secret shame of mine that for a great deal of my career, creating and sending packets was, to me, Deep Magic. Then it became part of my job, and I learned that it is surprisingly trivial. So put aside the idea that forging IP packets is the hard part of poisoning DNS. If I’m Mallory and I’m attacking Bob, how can he distinguish my packets from Alice’s? Because I can’t see the QID in his request, and the QID in my response won’t match. The QID is the only thing protecting the DNS from Mallory (me). QID attacks began in the olden days, when BIND simply incremented the QID with every query response. If you can remember 1995, here’s a workable DNS attack. Think fast: 9372 + 1. Did you get 9372, or even miss and get 9373? You win, Alice loses. Mallory sends a constant stream of DNS responses for WWW.VICTIM.COM. All are quietly discarded —- until Mallory gets Bob to query for WWW.VICTIM.COM. If Mallory’s response gets to your computer before the legitimate response arrives from your ISP’s name server, you will be redirected where Mallory tells you you’re going. Obvious fix: you want the QID be randomly generated. Now Alice and Mallory are in a race. Alice sees Bob’s request and knows the QID. Mallory has to guess it. The first one to land a packet with the correct QID wins. Randomized QIDs give Alice a big advantage in this race. But there’s a bunch more problems here: * If you convince Bob to ask Alice the same question 1000 times all at once, and Bob uses a different QID for each packet, you made the race 1000 times easier for Mallory to win. * If Bob uses a crappy random number generator, Mallory can get Bob to ask for names she controls, like WWW.EVIL.COM, and watch how the QIDs bounce around; eventually, she’ll break the RNG and be able to predict its outputs. * 16 bits just isn’t big enough to provide real security at the traffic rates we deal with in 2008. Your computer’s resolver is probably a stub. Which means it won’t really save the response. You don’t want it to. The stub asks a real DNS server, probably run by your ISP. That server doesn’t know everything. It can’t, and shouldn’t, because the whole idea of DNS is to compensate for the organic and shifting nature of internet naming and addressing. Frequently, that server has to go ask another, and so on. The cool kids call this “recursion”. Responses carry another value, too, called a time to live (TTL). This number tells your name server how long to cache the answer. Why? Because they deal with zillions of queries. Whoever wins the race between Alice and Mallory, their answer gets cached. All subsequent responses will be dropped. All future requests for that same data, within the TTL, come from that answer. This is good for whoever wins the race. If Alice wins, it means Mallory can’t poison the cache for that name. If Mallory wins, the next 10,000 or so people that ask that cache where WWW.VICTIM.COM is go to 6.6.6.0. 3. Then there’s that other set of DNS vulnerabilities. These require you to pay attention in class. They haven’t really been talked about since 1997. And they’re hard to find, because you have to understand how DNS works. In other words, you have to be completely crazy. Lazlo Hollyfeld crazy. I’m speaking of course of RRset poisoning. DNS has a complicated architecture. Not only that, but not all name servers run the same code. So not all of them implement DNS in exactly the same way. And not only that, but not all name servers are configured properly. I just described a QID attack that poisons the name server’s cache. This attack requires speed, agility and luck, because if the “real” answer happens to arrive before your spoofed one, you’re locked out. Fortunately for those of you that have a time machine, some versions of DNS provide you with another way to poison the name server’s cache anyway. To explain it, I will have to explain more about the format of a DNS packet. DNS packets are variable in length and consist of a header, some flags and resource records (RRs). RRs are where the goods ride around. There are up to three sets of RRs in a DNS packet, along with the original query. These are: * Answer RR’s, which contain the answer to whatever question you asked (such as the A record that says WWW.VICTIM.COM is 1.2.3.4) * Authority RR’s, which tell resolvers which name servers to refer to to get the complete answer for a question * Additional RR’s, sometimes called “glue”, which contain any additional information needed to make the response effective. A word about the Additional RR’s. Think about an NS record, like the one that COM’s name server uses to tell us that, to find out where WWW.VICTIM.COM is, you have to ask NS1.VICTIM.COM. That’s good to know, but it’s not going to help you unless you know where to find NS1.VICTIM.COM. Names are not addresses. This is a chicken and egg problem. The answer is, you provide both the NS record pointing VICTIM.COM to NS1.VICTIM.COM, and the A record pointing NS1.VICTIM.COM to 1.2.3.1. Now, let’s party like it’s 1995. Download the source code for a DNS implementation and hack it up such that every time it sends out a response, it also sends out a little bit of evil — an extra Additional RR with bad information. Then let’s set up an evil server with it, and register it as EVIL.COM. Now get a bunch of web pages up with IMG tags pointing to names hosted at that server. Bob innocently loads up a page with the malicious tags which coerces his browser resolve that name. Bob asks Alice to resolve that name. Here comes recursion: eventually the query arrives at our evil server. Which sends back a response with an unexpected (evil) Additional RR. If Alice’s cache honors the unexpected record, it’s 1995 —- buy CSCO! —- and you just poisoned their cache. Worse, it will replace the “real” data already in the cache with the fake data. You asked where WWW.EVIL.COM was (or rather, the image tags did). But Alice also “found out” where WWW.VICTIM.COM was: 6.6.6.0. Every resolver that points to that name server will now gladly forward you to the website of the beast. 4. It’s not 1995. It’s 2008. There are fixes for the attacks I have described. Fix 1: The QID race is fixed with random IDs, and by using a strong random number generator and being careful with the state you keep for queries. 16 bit query IDs are still too short, which fills us with dread. There are hacks to get around this. For instance, DJBDNS randomizes the source port on requests as well, and thus won’t honor responses unless they come from someone who guesses the ~16 bit source port. This brings us close to 32 bits, which is much harder to guess. Fix 2: The RR set poisoning attack is fixed by bailiwick checking, which is a quirky way of saying that resolvers simply remember that if they’re asking where WWW.VICTIM.COM is, they’re not interested in caching a new address for WWW.GOOGLE.COM in the same transaction. Remember how these fixes work. They’re very important. And so we arrive at the present day. 5. Let’s try again to convince Bob that WWW.VICTIM.COM is 6.6.6.0. This time though, instead of getting Bob to look up WWW.VICTIM.COM and then beating Alice in the race, or getting Bob to look up WWW.EVIL.COM and slipping strychnine into his ham sandwich, we’re going to be clever (sneaky). Get Bob to look up AAAAA.VICTIM.COM. Race Alice. Alice’s answer is NXDOMAIN, because there’s no such name as AAAAA.VICTIM.COM. Mallory has an answer. We’ll come back to it. Alice has an advantage in the race, and so she likely beats Mallory. NXDOMAIN for AAAAA.VICTIM.COM. Alice’s advantage is not insurmountable. Mallory repeats with AAAAB.VICTIM.COM. Then AAAAC.VICTIM.COM. And so on. Sometime, perhaps around CXOPQ.VICTIM.COM, Mallory wins! Bob believes CXOPQ.VICTIM.COM is 6.6.6.0! Poisoning CXOPQ.VICTIM.COM is not super valuable to Mallory. But Mallory has another trick up her sleeve. Because her response didn’t just say CXOPQ.VICTIM.COM was 6.6.6.0. It also contained Additional RRs pointing WWW.VICTIM.COM to 6.6.6.0. Those records are in-bailiwick: Bob is in fact interested in VICTIM.COM for this query. Mallory has combined attack #1 with attack #2, defeating fix #1 and fix #2. Mallory can conduct this attack in less than 10 seconds on a fast Internet link. Ultima modifica di arazzo : 23-07-2008 alle 15:03. |
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Senior Member
Iscritto dal: Sep 2005
Città: Roma
Messaggi: 1609
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@arazzo
Iniziativa lodevole, ma credo che nessuno oltre a te, me e un'altra manciata di utenti si leggerà mai tutto il post. ![]() Comunque alla fine il fix è decisamente semplice anche da implementare: è stata abilitata la generazione casuale delle porte su cui viene fatta la richiesta ed è stato aumentato il numero di porte disponibili. Della serie: il fix c'è sempre stato, ma non è mai stato implementato. Anche perché un attacco del genere presume una certa ampiezza di banda che anni fa non era certo alla portata di tutti... |
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Iscritto dal: Jul 1999
Messaggi: 5492
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comunque proprio perchè la falla riguarda il protocollo DNS hanno dovuto patchare anche la parte software relativa ai client non solo i server
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Senior Member
Iscritto dal: Oct 2005
Città: Roseto Degli Abruzzi
Messaggi: 11745
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