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Gente, SVEGLIA, sti qua vi pigliano per il culo deletando account a destra e a manca e applicando la legge del menga e voi qua con mail istituzionali, rispettose e attenti nei contenuti e nella forma?
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Visto che con le aggressioni si ottengono ban e delete immediati, meglio portare il tutto a un livello più "amministrativo".
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A parte che tanto ti bannano comunque, dovete capir che non sono loro a far una favore a noi a non bannarci eh
Ma siamo noi a far un favore a loro DONANDO potenza di calcolo, se c'è qualcuno che deve essere gentile, quelli sono loro -.-'
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). Vero? Qualcuno ha qualcosa in contrario? Posti ora o mai più Appena hai una bozza della mail giracela così valutiamo tutti Per quanto riguarda David Anderson, penso che sia già a conoscenza della situazione, e ovviamente i progetti sono indipendenti da BOINC, quindi può farci ben poco se non parlare con i capi di P@H e cercare di fargli sistemare la situazione..... Ciao, GHz
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You may say I'm a dreamer - But I'm not the only one - I hope someday you'll join us - And the team will be the 1# one BoincEmperor 1° Livello - Rotoloni DOCET!! Cactus rulez!! ![]() |
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La scrivo io la lettera, ma mi serve consiglio sugli insulti, quelli che ho mi sa non bastino
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![]() Calma gaby...... Mi piacerebbe comunque sapere nei minimi dettagli sta storia di Predictor, perchè non ci vedo chiaro.......se riesco a mettermi in contatto con chi dico io vi faccio sapere. Quanto mi piacerebbe saper parlare e scrivere bene in inglese Ciao, GHz
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You may say I'm a dreamer - But I'm not the only one - I hope someday you'll join us - And the team will be the 1# one BoincEmperor 1° Livello - Rotoloni DOCET!! Cactus rulez!! ![]() |
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Ma che calma, noi gli regaliamo potenza di calcolo e loro si permettono di instaurare sta tirannia, bannare ad minchiam? Cioè, chiedi delucidazioni sul forum e ti bannano, account interi vengono deletati, vanno fermati, SPARTANI, ALL'ATTACCO
AHUUUUUUUUU AHUUUUUUUUU AHUUUUUUUUU Vabbè mi calmo
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Non saranno felici ma non credo ci asfaltino tutti.. (mi scoccerebbe, è il mio progetto principale da sempre.. Ultima modifica di Heric : 22-05-2007 alle 23:23. |
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Città: Salentu: lu mare lu sole, lu vientu. Ora Firenze
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Passa al LATO OSCURO, OT sin dal 1859 e l'unico account capace di tornare indietro coi crediti. Quattro, anzi no cinque volte
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Prima stesura proposta da AF (in inglese, va variata inserendo tutti i team aderenti, si attendono proposte di modifica):
Topic : damaging conduct of one of your employees Dear Sir, Madam The present message has been drafted on behalf of "L'Alliance Francophone", the third ranking team on the worldwide statistics of the Boinc (distributed computing) platform (http://www.boincstats.com/stats/boin...php?pr=bo&st=0) and the second ranking team on the Predictor@Home project (http://www.boincstats.com/stats/team...p?pr=pah&st=0). After lengthy discussions in our forum (http://forum.boinc.fr/boinc/Lesproje...jet_389_1.htm), as well as the boincstat forum (http://www.boincstats.com/forum/foru...?id=1898#20079) we have decided to collect and forward these facts to your attention. One of your employees, David Lee Braun, Manager of Computational Facilities and administrator of the Predictor@Home forum, has repeatedly breached all ethical grounds on his conduct of your project. He has, in the past few weeks : - deleted numerous post in the forum because he deamed them not politically correct enough - banned from posting in the forum a lot of participants because they had the audacity of publicly complaining about unauthorized distribution of your Boinc software through trojan-like attacks to unsuspecting computers - banned range of IP address from even connecting to your servers - deleted a team that was founded in protest - and last but not least, deleted from the project several user accounts worth hundreds of thousand of Boinc credit and CPU hours of computation. We cannot begin to describe the furor that has taken hold of the entire community of "volunteer computers" after this last action. In the "cruncher community", as we familiarly call ourselves, taking away our Boinc credits is the gravest of offense. It is akin to stealing from us the currency with which YOU buy OUR computing power. We, at the Alliance Francophone, have decided to strongly advise our members against calculating for Predictor@Home and are bent on spreading the news on all public fora about the dubious practice of your project administrator. We sincerely hope that you can correct this line of action and undo all the harm that as been done to the online volunteer computing community. In the meantime, we will dedicate our computing power to more worthwhile projects. |
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"Dear"? Ma che è, gli chiediamo un piacere?
Cioè, come se ci facessero un favore a non bannarci e a tener aperto il progetto a cui noi doniamo potenza... "Sincerely hope"? Nononono, così non va bene Gente, ho visto decine di lettere simili sul forum del vecchio progetto Grid.Org, che ha preso per il culo migliaia di partecipanto rifacendo elaborar wu già fatte e bannando pure lì, è mai servito a qualcosa? No Poi qua chi è in torto sono loro, mica noi, se c'è chi deve chiedere per piacere sono LORO,non noi, io non "hopo" proprio niente Quindi ok la lettera e le motivazioni ma ci vuole un tono non dico pieno di insulti (anche se forse se li meritano, si sono fatti FORSE problemi a BANNARE anni e anni di CREDITI? NO!) ma da far capir che non siamo pecoroni in cerca di crediti che ci va bene qualunque cosa. E poi penso che lo sappiano meglio di noi cosa sta succedendo, o è un gomBlotto e sono all'oscuro di tutto? Cioè, qua vi si sta prendendo per il in TUTTI i modi possibili, com'è, porgiamo sempre l'altra guancia? Gente, devono capire che qua o ci trattano bene O POSSONO PURE CHIUDERE!
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Iscritto dal: May 2007
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Prima risposta dal forum di Boinc Synergy:
First, the following comes from someone who has never crunched for Predictor, hence was not directly affected by all this. In my humble opinion, I feel you're focusing too much on the credits. You should 'attack' and make your point in all that DLB has done and not just on the deletion of your accounts, even if that is the most outrageous thing he has done so far. If I was DLB's boss and I was receiving this e-mail, I wouldn't go and click on the links to read the HUGE threads about the subject; I would call DLB to my office and listen to what he has to say - and the most obvious thing to happen is I would get HIS side of the story (perhaps even illustrated by DLB's pictures next to Hitler and Stalin some people made... gross mistake that was) and the alleged attack on P@H servers. By the end of the day, whoever sends the e-mail will be the one to look bad and not DLB. It would be better if you could accumulate as much evidence as possible, append it to the e-mail (posting links to huge threads is the first step to no one reading them). Build a good case about the all process and not focus too much on this or that act. It's all that DLB has done that should be attacked and not just this or that thing. Acknowledging that some crunchers made mistakes in all this process wouldn't look bad either - it is better if it comes from your mouth than from DLB himself - that way you anticipate his next move. (And here I'm referring to abuses of DLB's image by putting him next to other dictators and the alleged attack on P@H servers - assuming it really took place). And the English could use some spit and polish as well. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending DLB. I don't like neither the guy nor the way he handled the case; but some mistakes were also made from this side of the barricade which really don't look good next to whoever you send this e-mail. I'm just saying there is margin to improve how you are presenting the case and how you can corner DLB. |
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Iscritto dal: May 2007
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Secondo commento:
Then we should also write, that the persons that made those mistakes (like the attacks) were not named by DLB, he just deleted all accounts belonging to that team and calling the members hackers without having a proof for it! I wouldn't say it was right to put his picture next to the dictators, but there is a long story before showing him to act like those. Nearly all people were very polite and objective in their questions compared to what DLB did. I would also stick a bit away from the credits. There have been so much things happening before that are worth to complain about. And the text should speak for "subscribed teams" then, maybe giving the sum of all their credits collected (or % off all credits - showing the amount representing) together at a certain point of time. |
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Iscritto dal: May 2007
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Nuova stesura proposta dal team Boinc@Heidelberg:
Dear Sir or Madam, This is a message from the following Teams represented at Predictor@home: - BOINC@Heidelberg (http://predictor.scripps.edu/team_di...php?teamid=194) currently: 698,634.97 Predictor-Credits / 21,541,674.65 BOINC-Credits http://www.boincstats.com/stats/boin...?pr=bo&id=6418 - ... After long discussions across various forums around the BOINC communities (in English: http://www.boincstats.com/forum/foru...ad.php?id=1898 – in German: http://www.boinc-team.de/portal/show...?threadid=1237 – as well as in French: http://forum.boinc.fr/boinc/Lesproje...ujet_389_1.htm) we want to make you aware of the following things. One of your employees, David Lee Braun, Manager of Computational Facilities and Administrator of the forum at Predictor@home, has repeatedly violated principles that are considered as essentially democratic and ethical just by the BOINC community: - Deleting posts and threads inside the forum that did neither outcast the netiquette nor violate current law, but asking critical questions about the way he did his job - Banning participants from the forum, that were publicly complaining about the way how David Lee Braun handled the issue with the unauthorized distribution of BOINC software through trojan-like attacks to unsuspecting computers participating in Predictor@home - Banning whole IP ranges from even accessing the Predictor server to prevent the expression of opinions - Affronting whole groups of people in the forum (calling them a "mob") - Deleting teams at Predictor that protested against these actions with their name ("Banned for Life") - Libeling members of one of those teams by illegal imputation of criminal activities against Predictor (until now, there was no evidence presented or a person named) - Arbitrary deletion of participant's accounts on the project. The reason that was given to those users - if there was any - referred to the critical questions posted in the forum and to the imputations mentioned above. Lot's of those participants consider the granted credits as some kind of reward for supporting the project. We, from the teams mentioned above, are shocked, frustrated and worried about the listed issues in equal measure. Furthermore we do not only see a massive damage to the reputation of Predictor@home, but also to the Scripps Institute as a whole. Lots of our participants willingly gave their computing time, their power and hence their money to Predictor@home to support a reasonable scientific project. However, the mentioned incidences have changed our minds to stop any further support of Predictor@home, to inform publicity in any possible way and to warn about what's happening at Predictor@home project. We are sad, that it had to go that far, but in none of the recognized cases we were able to see any cooperation or willingness for discussions from the side of David Lee Braun. Despite all that, we are still willing to talk about everything and to receive proposals of how to dispose these problems. Your formerly enthusiastic volunteers |
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Iscritto dal: Oct 2005
Messaggi: 1056
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Ragazzi... sapete quanto gli costerebbe comprare la potenza di calcolo che voi gli REGALATE? questi dovrebbero solo dire grazie e stare zitti.. e vi mettete coi "Dear" "sincerely hope" ...... bah
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Città: Salentu: lu mare lu sole, lu vientu. Ora Firenze
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si ma io gli manderei una cosa tipo
O sbannate tutti e cancellate wate( che è solo bloccato, nn cancellato) O perderete la potenza di calcolo dei team x y e z. senza insulti, ma cmq si strizzerebbero |
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