[3d uniti] Exploit dell'estrema destra in Olanda

[Fritz!]

Originariamente inviato da gpc

"Che l'Olanda è sempre stata portata come esempio di integrazione prima, poi come esempio del fallimento dell'integrazione poi. "

Io questo lo vedo abbastanza olandese, come commento...

No é un commento per fare la solita propaganda contro i comunisti cattivi cattivi.

Quanto all'olanda. L'olanda é sempre stata portata come esempio di società liberale, che garantisce grande libertà individuale ai suoi cittadini. Eutanasia,prostituzione, droghe leggere, utero in affitto, matrimoni gay. Su queste cose non c'é nessuna marcia indietro

E il fatto che l'estrema destra cavalchi tra i propri valori da difendere proprio i diritti dei gay, non fa che confermarlo.

Quanto all'immigrazione... l'Olanda non é mai stata un esempio di Melting Pot. Dirlo é una fesseria.

[StefAno Giammarco]

Originariamente inviato da entanglement

1- gli olandesi sono tolleranti si ma mica mona
2- la tolleranza olandese è stata sfruttata ed abusata per anni: mignotte, turisti cannaioli ...
3- per questioni etnico/religiose sono stati UCCISI IN STRADA theo van gogh e pym fortuyn. geert wilders ha ricevuto minacce ed è costretto alla scorta

4- come dissi in altri 3d, una risposta molliccia dell'occidente alla penetrazione culturale musulmana è un invito a nozze. ben vengano leader magari anche populisti che ci evitino una colonizzazione troglodita

le tv italiane non c'entrano niente.

guardatevi "fitna"

Il troglodita te lo potevi e dovevi risparmiare alla grande.

Originariamente inviato da sider

Studia un pò prima di postare.

Anche tu potevi e dovevi

Originariamente inviato da AntonioBO

NON TI PERMETTO DI AFFERMARE CONCETTI COME QUESTO BASATI SUL NULLA SE NON SUl RAZZISMO E SULLA XENOFOBIA. VERGOGNATI!! TROGLODITA SARAI TU

Idem. Aggiungo che tu puoi: postare le tue opinioni in maniera civile, segnalre con l'apposito tasto i post che a tuo avviso sono fuori regolamento o quantomeno inopportuni nella forma.
NON PUOI nel modo più assoluto permettere e non permettere nulla. Naturalmente in questo forum. Fuori di qui sono affari tuoi naturalmente.

E per oggi vi grazio tutti tre perché mi capita a tratti di essere preda di accessi di buonismo. Però poi mi passano presto.

[Fritz!]

Originariamente inviato da FabioGreggio

Non diciamo sciocchezze altrimenti scivoliamo davvero nel grottesco.
All'estero, e io lavoro con l'Estero e l'Olanda, berlusconi è visto da sx e dx come un tipico italiano opportunista, un pò fascista, ma tutto sommato una specie di clown pasticcione e populista.

Berlusconi all'estero non influenza nessuno.
In Spagna una edicolaia che votò Aznar mi disse cose irripetibili su Berlusconi.
In Olanda un Cristiano Democratico lo bollò come uno scherzo politico, che poi è l'opinione che hanno la maggior parte degli europei.

Dopo Noemi ancor più, perchè i giornali esteri pare vendano uno sproposito sparlando di Silvio e della sua sfera sessual-matrimoniale.

quoto

tanto per rendere una idea, potete guardarvi questo sondaggio, fatto dal figaro, giornale di destra, sull'apprezzamento dei vari leader europei in Europa.
http://www.lefigaro.fr/assets/pdf/Op...urop%E9ens.pdf

Berlusconi é l'ultimo, e un apprezzamento del 15%. gli altri non scendono mai sotto il 30.

[Fritz!]

Originariamente inviato da das

Vorrei invitarvi a riflettere su questo articolo:

Europee: Olanda, estrema destra vera vincitrice




Ora la domanda è questa:

se in Italia cresce l'intolleranza verso l'immigrazione per colpa delle tv di Berlusconi che acuiscono il senso di insicurezza etc., perchè in Olanda (paese del nord, illuminato etc.) crescono addirittura partiti di estrema destra ?

Opzione 1: Tramite il satellite gli olandesi guardano la tv italiana rimanendone influenzati ?

Opzione 2: Berlusconi ha comprato anche la tv olandese?

Opzione 3: Gli olandesi che vengono in Italia in vacanza restano influenzati dalla propaganda di Berlusconi ?

Qual'è la più probabile ? Se avete altre idee suggerite pure.

C'era già un 3d sull'olanda.
Potevi continuare li, invece di fare sta apertura. trasferire il panorama politico da un paese a un altro é un operazione grossolana.

Farlo con questo flame berlusconiano é davvero patetico.

Per il resto, se uno guarda i discorsi per i quali Wilders é considerato estremista xenofobo, non puo non notare, come siano molto piu blandi dei messaggi tipici della lega, e non solo.

O forse é una questione di marketing. Il messaggio deve essere piu gretto e rozzo per adattarsi all'audience italiana.

[zerothehero]

Occhio che Wilders, (come Pim Fortyum) è ateo, non è cristiano.


The Koran is a facist book which incites violence,writes Geert Wilders. That is why this book, just like Mein Kampf, must be banned.

I have been proclaiming this for years: A moderate Islam does not exist. For those who don't want to believe me: read the speech which the Italian writer Oriana Fallaci who alas, died last year held in New York on November 28th 2007 when she received a prize for her heroic resistance to Islamo facism and her struggle for freedom:

"A moderate Islam does not exist. It does not exist because there is no difference between Good Islam and Bad Islam. There is Islam and that it the end of it. Islam is the Koran, and nothing other than the Koran. And the Koran is the Mein Kampf of a religion that desires to eliminate others- non –Muslims-who are called infidel dogs, and inferior creatures. Read the Koran, that Mein Kampf, yet again. In whatever version and you will see that the evil which the sons of Allah against us and themselves has perpetrated comes from that book". (Oriana Fallaci"The Force of Reason" post-script page 305 February 2006)

Ehsan Jami is one such infidel dog who had the courage to call the Prophet Mohammed a criminal and for referring to some of the strictures of the Koran as backwards and who got it into his head to stand up for other apostate dogs and even organized a committee for them. Allah finds that the death penalty is warranted for apostasy. Last Saturday that was almost a reality : the infidel Jami was beaten bloody by two Morrocans and one Somalian.

(Translators note: Ehsan Jami is a young Dutch munipal council member and is now living under guard in an undisclosed location after receiving scores of death threats after making critical remarks about Islam and Mohammed in a television interview. http://www.euro-islam.info/spip/arti...id_article=425 http://www.expatica.com/actual/artic...story_id=42621)

Enough is enough. Let's stop with the politically correct spin and hype. It is good that Jami now has protection and it is too bad it did not happen sooner, but that does not solve the core of the problem. The core of the problem is fascistic Islam, the sick ideology of Allah and Mohammed as it is set out in the Islamic Mein Kampf: the Koran. The texts in the Koran leave little to the imagination.

In various Sura's Muslims are called upon to oppress, persecute, or kill Jews, Christians and others, believers and non –believers and to beat women and to rape and to use violence to implement a worldwide Islamist state. Numerous other Sura's are used by Muslims to incite to death and destruction.

Ban that wretched book like Mein Kampf is banned!

In doing so send a signal to Jami's attackers and other Islamist that the Koran never ever can be allowed to be used as an inspiration for violence. I am ashamed of the Dutch politicians . Their naïve and pathological striving for a utopian moderate Islam which will only bring our country hell and damnation. I am ashamed of the people inside and outside the Lower House who refuse to stop the Islamic invasion of Holland. I am ashamed for Dutch politicians who day in and day out accept the over representation of foreigners in illegality and criminality and have no answer for it.

The Hague is full of cowardly members.Fearful people who are born cowards and will die as cowards. They find and promote the idea tha the Dutch culture is has its foundation in Jewish-Christian- Islamic –tradition. They award a general pardon to liars and criminals.

(Translators note: The Hague is the location of the Dutch parliament.Wilders also refers to a planned amnesy for 30,000 illegal immigrants http://wilders.web-log.nl/pvv/geert_...dia/index.html )

They look the other way when homosexuals are beaten up almost every day. Those who want to implement a system of shari'a interest.

(Translator's note: A reference to the 19 year old Muslim who was just sentenced to jail for attacking homosexualshttp://www.expatica.com/actual/article.asp?subchannel_id=1&story_id=42211 (note this article mentions the severity of the injuries but not that Muslim youth were behind the attack. Contrast this with the headline in the Dutch Elsevier magazine "Foreigners jailed for attacks on homosexuals" "Foreigners" being an obvious term for Muslim as the youth is named Hazim B. http://www.elsevier.nl/nieuws/laatst.../artnr/163435/

Those who talk to the representatives of the terrorist group Hamas. Those who work for the dictatorial Morrocan king.

(Translator's note: Wilders called for the srapping of dual nationality after a Dutch/Morrocan parliamentarian spent time in her home country working on a Morrocan government project.

Those who see the extremists of the Muslim Brotherhood as partners for discussion. Those who permit Muslim men to refuse to let their wives be treated by a male doctor. Those who couldn't care less about the interests of the Dutch citizen and are working to transform the Netherlands into Netherlarabia as a province of the super state Eurabia.

I have had enough of Islam in Holland: Not one more Muslim immigrant should be let in. I have had enough of the reverence for Allah and Mohammed in the Netherlands: There should not be even one more mosque. I have had enough of the Koran in the Netherlands. Ban that wretched book.

Enough is enough.

Geert Wilders is the chairman of the Freedom Party


http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/...rbied_de_Koran


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Altro:

Geert Wilders: «La più grave malattia dell’Olanda e dell’Europa è il relativismo culturale. L’idea che tutte le culture siano uguali, ecco il punto. L’umanesimo europeo, costruito su basi cristiane e giudaiche, è migliore della cultura islamica, anche se una secolarizzazione estrema sta distruggendo gran parte di quel patrimonio. Il multiculturalismo funziona se sei forte abbastanza per dire che la tua cultura è migliore e dominante. Ma quando il multiculturalismo si coniuga al relativismo culturale, è suicidio. Da quando i nostri padri fondatori trasformarono questa palude, l’Olanda, in un’oasi di tolleranza, il nostro stendardo merita di essere librato in aria e in libertà. La correttezza politica ci impedisce di farlo, si ha paura di essere chiamati ‘estremisti’. L’islamizzazione ha successo nella mancanza di coraggio. Siamo diventati come tanti Chamberlain, anziché Churchill, i politici non conoscono la storia del proprio paese, non hanno identità, non sanno chi rappresentano. Non hanno più la volontà di battersi per i propri valori».


Qui altro parere del Battista.
http://www.studiliberali.it/uploads/...%20sospesa.pdf

Addendum

Wilders says: stop Muslim immigration, encourage Muslims to leave, prohibit the building of new mosques, close Islamic schools


Geert Wilder's speech at the pro-free speech conference in Florida last night was his hardest hitting so far, both in the way he described the Islamic campaign to take over Europe and the West, and in the measures he proposed to stop it. They include: stopping all immigration from Muslim countries; encouraging voluntary repatriation; designating Islam as a totalitarian ideology not a religion; passing a European First Amendment; requiring all immigrants to take a pledge of allegiance to their host country; barring the building of new mosques; closing mosques where violent jihad is preached; and closing Islamic schools.
I've been trying for years, without much or any success, to get the mainstream conservative Islam critics to go beyond merely complaining about Islamization and to support active measures to stop it, including, at a minimum, ending Muslim immigration. For a figure like Geert Wilders, so esteemed by Americans who are concerned about the Islam problem, to take the positions he takes must have a large effect in moving conservative opinion in the right direction.
Here is the part of the speech where Wilders laid out his proposals:


Ladies and Gentlemen, I am often asked whether I have any answers to all the problems that I mention or what those answers might be. Well, let me tell you, I certainly have a lot of answers. Here are a few things that I believe we should do in the West, to stop the Islamization.
First, I have already said it, we have to stop the idea of "Cultural Relativism." Get rid of the misconception that all cultures are equal. They are not. Our culture based on Christianity, on Judeaism and Humanism is far better than the Islamic culture. So we should stop it.

We should also stop pretending that Islam is a religion, sure, it has religious symbols, but it's not a religion. It is a totaltarian ideology and the right to religious freedom should not apply to Islam.

We should stop the mass immigration from Muslim countries. We have to stop it, today. No more immigrants from Muslim countries. We have to stop the Al Haya [the Islamic doctrine of migration].

We have to encourage the voluntary repatriation. We have to expel criminals. We have to expel criminals with dual nationality even if we have to de-naturalize them and send them back to their homelands. I think we need a European First Amendment to strengthen our freedom of speech.

I think we have to have a contract, in any Western Country, a contract, a binding contract signed by everybody there, of Assimiluation. We need a Pledge of Allegiance in all Western countries for people to adhere to our values as well.

We have to stop the building of new Mosques. We have to close the Mosques where incitement of violence is taking place.

We have to close down Islamic schools, for they are fascist institutions, where young people are brought up with an ideology of violence. And, last but not least, we have to get rid of the weak leaders that we have.


Here is the entire speech

GEERT WILDERS FREEDOM OF SPEECH SUMMIT
I wish I had come to a place they call they call sunshine state with better news but it would be very unwise to deny that the situation indeed is very gloomy, and it might take a while for you to understand the situation that we are in now. Maybe you as Americans still think that Europe is a place with a great culture and a profound way of looking at things. Maybe you see immigration as something that is inherently good for our country as it contributed so much for the United States, and I understand that. But Ladies and Gentleman the Europe as you know it from visiting Europe or from stories from your parents or friends or whoever, is on the verge of collapsing.

We are now witnessing profound changes that will forever alter Europe's destiny and might send the Continent in what Ronald Reagan once called: "A thousand years of darknes

And the takeover of Europe, that is currently taking place, is part of a global fight, a global fight of Islam for World domination.

Let me tell you first, that Islam is not a religion. Islam is a totalitarian political ideology. Islam hearts lies at the Koran and the Koran is a book that calls for hatred, that calls for violence, for murder, for terrorism, for war and submission.

The Koran calls upon Muslims to kill Kuffars, non-Muslims. The Koran describes Jews as monkeys and pigs, and Churchill, and I agree with him, Churchill compared the Koran, the book in the 50's, to Adolf Hitlers book Mein Kampf.

Ladies and Gentleman the core of the problem with Islam is twofold, First, the commands of the Koran are not limited by place or time, they apply for all time, to all Muslims of the World.

Second, the Koran is Allah's personal words that leaves no room for interpretation, therefore, there is not such a thing as a moderate Islam. Of course, there are many moderate Muslims, but a moderate Islam does not exist.

As the Turkish Prime Minister Mr. ErdoÄŸan once rightfully said, he said: "There is no moderate Islam, Islam is Islam"

Apart from the Koran, the life of the Prophet Mohammed is very important for you to understand, in order to understand this terrible ideology. Mohammed plays the crucial part in this Islamic totalitarian ideology. Mohammed in fact is the role model for all Muslims in the World but, who was Mohammed? Mohammed, in fact was a paedophile, was a conqueror, was a Warlord and in establishing Islam he preached violence and the slaughter of non-Muslims.

He took part in 78 battles and slaughtered the Jewish tribe of Banu Qurayzah and Mohammed once said and I quote: "I have been ordered by Allah to fight against people until they testify that there is no God but Allah and that Mohammed is his messenger"

And, indeed, Mohammed's behaviour inspired Iran's former leader the Ayatollah Khomeini to say and I quote: "The purest joy in Islam is to kill and be killed for Allah"

And Mohammed's behaviour and the Koran inspired Jihadists all over the World to slaughter innocent people like they did in Washington, in New York, in Madrid, in London and in Mumbai.

Ladies and Gentlemen, Islam has always intended to conquer Europe and it has done so for centuries.

The Christian city of Constantinople fell in the 15 century and now in the 21st century. Islam is trying again, but this time, not with Armies, but through the application of AlHaya the Islamic doctrine of migration. As expounded so masterfully by my good friend Sam Solomon in his (book ?????) The doctrine that is based on the example of Mohammed who himself migrated from Mecca to Medina.

Ladies and Gentlemen, the Libyan leader Muammar al-Gaddafi said and he unfortunately is correct, and I quote: "We have 50 million Muslims in Europe and there are signs that Allah will grant Islam victory in Europe, without swords, without guns, without conquest. The 50 million Muslims of Europe will turn Europe into a Muslim contininent within a few decades." Ladies and Gentlemen, unfortunately Gaddafi is right.

The AlHaya doctrine is and has been very successful in Europe for the first time in World history there are dozens of millions of Muslims living far outside the dark area of Islam, the Islamic World, and that poses enormous problems to the West.

Ladies and Gentlemen AlHaya may be the end of the Western civilisation as we know it, for Islam is not coming to our societies to integrate or to assimilate but wants to dominate, and wants to submit us all, and the most dramatic situation is the one in Europe today.

My country is in the process of becoming Hollandistan as Europe is becoming in the process of becoming Eurabia. Only 12 percent of the German Muslims see themselves more German than Muslims, and churches throughout Europe are emptying out whereas Mosques are shooting up like mushrooms. Many evil phenomena such as Burqas, honour killings, female genitalia mutilations are becoming more and more prevalent.. Sharia testaments, Sharia mortgages, Sharia schools, Sharia banks, Sharia courts and even sharia Barbie dolls--Europe has them all today.

And I have not even mentioned the fact that for instance 70 percent of all crimes in the European city like Copenhagen are committed by Muslims. Indeed, we let in the Trojan Horse and the free World is now facing a Stealh Jihad, the Islamic attempt to introduce Sharia Law, bit by bit (or hit by hit?).

Allow me to give you a few examples also of the Islamisation here in the United States:-

Muslim taxi drivers in Minneapolis have refused over 5,000 passengers because they were carrying alcohol. Muslim students are demanding separate campus housing. Muslim women are demanding separate hours and gyms, and swimming pools. Schools are already banning Halloween and Christmas celebrations. Indeed, schools are taking pork off their cafeteria menus to avoid Muslim students.

Ladies and Gentlemen, be aware that this is only the beginning. If things continue like this, you will have the same problems that we are facing in Europe today. And if we do not stop the process of Islamization, I am sure we will lose everything, we will lose our identity, we will lose our culture, we will lose our Democratic Constitutions, we will lose our freedom, we will lose our Civilization.

In Europe we are already losing the fight for freedom of speech. We are losing the fight to criticize Islam and I think that criticizing religions and ideologies, always, always ought to be possible in a free World. Human rights exists for the protection of individuals, not religions and certainly not ideologies. so I propose that all the hate speech laws in Europe are to be repealed.

Europe ought to defend the freedom of speech.

In fact Europe should adopt a U.S. model like the First Amendment. The difference between United States and Europe and the area of free speech is for instance shown by the example of my short film Fitna.

A few months ago, I was invited to show Fitna in the Senate, in your democratic Senate, by Senator Jon Kyl and in contrast to that the screening of my film Fitna was banned twice in the terrible European Parliament, and let us see to which the Freedom of Speech is exercized not only in Washington DC but also in Brussels and Strasbourg, and that is why we do need a European First Amendment.

Ladies and Gentlemen, there is one country in our Western Civilization that has been forced to fight the forces of Jihad for its values since the very day of its existence: Isral the Canary in the Coal Mine. Let me say a few words about that wonderful country.

I had the privilege myself to live in Israel for a few years and since then I have visited that country many many times.. Why? Because I love it, I do love Israel.

However, in Europe, being Pro-American, being Pro-Israel makes you an endangered species. Israel is a Beacon of Light in an area, the Middle East, that is pitch black everywhere else.

Israel is a Western Democracy, whilst Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and all the other countries in the region are medieval dictatorships. And the so-called Middle East conflict, as you all know it, is not about land at all. It's a conflict about, once again, about ideologies. It's a conflict and a battle between Islam and Freedom. It's not about some land in Gaza or Judea or Samaria, it's about Jihad.

To Islam the whole of Israel is occupied terroritory. They see Tel Aviv and Haifa as settlements as well, and I am very much in favour of a two state settlement solution but then the two state solution from Winston Churchill in 1921, when Palestine was partitioned into a Jewish and an Arab part, Arab Palestine, Ladies and Gentlemen, is now called Jordan and I think that Jordan is the Palestinian State.

Islam forces Israel to fight. Israel is not just fighting for itself, Israel is fighting for all of us, for the entire West, just like those brave American soldiers who landed in Sicily in 1943 and stormed the Normandy beaches in 1944.

Young Israeli men today, young Israeli Women today, are fighting for our freedom, are fighting for our civilization, and like Bosnia, like Kosovo, like Nigeria, like Sudan, like the Caucasus, like Kashmir, like Southern Thailand, like Western China and the South of the Phillipines, Israel is situated exactly on the dividing line between da Islam(sp?), the Islamic World and da al(?) the non-Islamic World. It is no coincidence that it is precisely this dividing line, where blood is flowing and war is raging in many many areas.

And, we have to get rid of that politically correct fallacy that it is all about separate conflicts, it's not. Let us please allow ourselves at least to see the big picture, which is, that all those conflicts, have to do with Jihad, Jihad in the spirit of Mohammed. Ladies and Gentlemen, Europe ought to fully back Israel to the hilt and (???help) us fight against those that threaten it, whether it's Hezbollah, whether it's Hamas, or Nuclear Iran. Also, because of it's history, Europe has certainly the moral duty and obligation to prevent at all cost, another Holocaust against the Jewish people.

Ladies and Gentlemen, still Islam is not our No. 1 problem, our No. 1 problem is called "Cultural Relativism," the Elites that rule our countries have converted us to this sick philosophy a long time ago. Government leaders, Judges, even Churches, Trade Unions, Universitities, the Media, all of them are blinded by political correctness and have chosen the side of Islam. They feel sorry for Muslims and pity them. "Cultural Relativism" is weakening the West day by day. As a result of this "Cultural Relativism" a little bit of the Free West dies everyday. Many Politicians, seem to believe, unfortunately, that their job is not to defend democracy but to help to make the transition to Sharia as smooth as possible.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I am often asked whether I have any answers to all the problems that I mention or what those answers might be. Well, let me tell you, I certainly have a lot of answers. Here are a few things that I believe we should do in the West, to stop the Islamization.

First, I have already said it, we have to stop the idea of "Cultural Relativism." Get rid of the misconception that all cultures are equal. They are not. Our culture based on Christianity, on Judeaism and Humanism is far better than the Islamic culture. So we should stop it.

We should also stop pretending that Islam is a religion, sure, it has religious symbols, but it's not a religion. It is a totaltarian ideology and the right to religious freedom should not apply to Islam.

We should stop the mass immigration from Muslim countries. We have to stop it, today. No more immigrants from Muslim countries. We have to stop the AlHaya (sp??).

We have to encourage the voluntary repatriation. We have to expel criminals. We have to expel criminals with dual nationality even if we have to de-naturalize them and send them back to their homelands. I think we need a European First Amendment to strengthen our freedom of speech.

I think we have to have a contract, in any Western Country, a contract, a binding contract signed by everybody there, of Assimiluation. We need a Pledge of Allegiance in all Western countries for people to adhere to our values as well.

We have to stop the building of new Mosques. We have to close the Mosques where incitement of violence is taking place.

We have to close down Islamic schools, for they are fascist institutions, where young people are brought up with an ideology of violence. And, last but not least, we have to get rid of the weak leaders that we have.

We have the privilege, until today, to live in a democracy, and let us use that privilege in order to exchange our own values.

We need indeed, in our Western World today, we need more leaders, we need more Churchill's and we need less Chamberlain's. We need strong leaders like we have here today, like Alan West and Adam Hasner, we need strong men like that.

Ladies and Gentlemen, in short, we have to go on the offensive, my message of this evening is that we have to go on the offensive. We have to start fighting back, there is no alternative other than fighting back. We must no longer allow ourselves to remain seated in our armchairs and get trampled over. If they bombard us with Sharia Law as they do, then we shall bombard them back with our Human Rights and our Freedom of Speech. if they bombard us with all their court cases we will bombard them back with all our court cases, against them. We have to fight back and show them indeed millions, millions of people....

(GEERT WILDERS III)

I assure you that I will continue my struggle for Freedom, and indeed a struggle it is.

After Fitna had been screened for the first time last year, there were threats. Don't ever dare to criticize Islam publicly, you will get threats of Economical Boycotts, your flag, like the dutch flag will be burnt all over the World You will be prosecuted, like I am to be prosecuted in my own home country, and also in France and Jordan, I face prosecution.

I have been barred from entering the United Kingdom, Lord Malcolm Pearson just spoke about it, but also barred from going to Indonesia.

The most radical Imam in the Netherlands is threatening to sue me and demanding a compensation, and a Parliamentary Bill, even today in the Netherlands in my own country, is currently being drafted with the aim ofprotecting Islam from criticism, and on top of all this, because of my view of Islam anybody else who dares to stand up and criticize Islam, Al Qaeda is there determined to kill me, and others who speak out against Islam.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I told you I was going to be blunt, I was going to be tough, but there is no alternative for this. In spite all this bad news, fortunately there is also some good news I can share with you and there is no doubt in my mind that at the end of the day, even though it is five minutes to twelve, Freedom will prevail. There are already some hopeful signs.

For instance, last week, in my own Parliament in the Dutch Parliament, they accepted a motion, a resolution, proposed by my own Party, seeking to block any dialogue between Government Officials and Hamas. And, according to the most recent opinion polls, already for months now, if elections were to be held in the Netherlands today, my own Party, the Freedom Party, will be the largest Party in the Netherlands. So you might be looking at the next Prime Minister of the Netherlands. So, I ask you, if it can be done in the Netherlands, why not throughout the whole Western World.

If the Netherlands were the first country to end up the Multi-Culturarist Swamp why can't it be the first Country to find a way out. Why are there not other countries where people stand up and win the elections and make some changes.

Finally, Ladies and Gentlemen, of course, we in Europe, we in the Netherlands, I myself, have not forgotten to whom we owe our Liberties. Our Liberties were bitterly fought for by American Soldiers. American soldiers fought, bled, and died for the European freedom. American soldiers did not die for an Islamized Europe, they died for a free Europe. We owe, we owe something to those brave men, those brave American men, their legacy can not be squandered and cannot be given away. The third President and his spiritual father of this great Nation, once said and I quote: "The price of Freedom is eternal vigilance" as so often Thomas Jefferson was right.

Our freedom must be safeguarded, and it is, we, ourselves, as we are sitting here, that must do so, that must act. A period of inattention of dropping our guard, for even a short while, might cost us our freedom, just like that. It has happened before in history, please let us not allow it to happen again.

Everything we stand for has to be defended, everything we are, everything we have, with all our might, our identity, our culture, our democracy, our freedom and our civilization is at stake.

We owe it, Ladies and Gentlemen, to our children..

So Ladies and Gentlemen, I leave you with the expression of our determination. We will never give up, we will never give in, we will never never, ever, surrender. Thank You.

[lowenz]

Sì vabbè, il Corano ora è come il libro di Hitler

Insomma, ultimamente nel mondo reductio ad hitlerum & straw man la fanno da padroni, altro che multiculturalismo cattivo e relativismo culturale o morale.

[lowenz]

Our culture based on Christianity, on Judeaism and Humanism is far better than the Islamic culture.

Ecco un tipico controsenso populista che solo un ateo può fare

L'Umanesimo (=mettere al centro l'Uomo) è considerato una forma di satanismo dal Cristianesimo, proprio perchè il "Faber Ipsius Fortunae" umanista è nient'altro che un piccolo diavolo ribelle al disegno divino che non è abbastanza docile da accettare (amorevolmente ) la via scelta da Dio per lui, ma la fa per conto suo.

In pratica ha affermato che l'Europa dovrebbe essere basata su X e non-X
Ci credo che poi vada male allora

[Fritz!]

Originariamente inviato da lowenz

Ecco un tipico controsenso populista che solo un ateo può fare

L'Umanesimo (=mettere al centro l'Uomo) è considerato una forma di satanismo dal Cristianesimo, proprio perchè il "Faber Ipsius Fortunae" umanista è nient'altro che un piccolo diavolo ribelle al disegno divino che non è abbastanza docile da accettare (amorevolmente ) la via scelta da Dio per lui, ma la fa per conto suo.

In pratica ha affermato che l'Europa dovrebbe essere basata su X e non-X
Ci credo che poi vada male allora

Vabbeh é inutile cercare profondità filosofica negli slogan

[Fritz!]

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Mi trovo d'accordo con molte delle affermazioni di Wilders che estenderei anche alle cosiddette tradizioni giudaico-cristiane.

[Fritz!]

Originariamente inviato da Trabant

Mi trovo d'accordo con molte delle affermazioni di Wilders che estenderei anche alle cosiddette tradizioni giudaico-cristiane, per quanto verificato nei fatti.

basta che ti metti d'accordo coi sostenitori italiani delle tradizioni "giudaico cristiane".

comunque, preso da un editoriale (che non condivido) di chi crede nel pericolo Islam


Dagli ultimi due papi viene la consapevolezza che l’Islam è vincente. (Il papa Ratzinger si è arreso subito dopo il pallone-sonda di Ratisbona). Ci sono oscillazioni in questa certezza pessimistica, ma la determinazione politica mi pare segnata dal «salvare il salvabile». Si ripresenta la scelta tragica di Pio XII: meglio Hitler che Stalin. Per Benedetto XVI è: meglio l’Islam che il controllo delle nascite, che una Europa giacobina, che i matrimoni gay, che una sfrenata (siamo appena agli inizi) libertà e rivincita matriarcale delle donne. Se è messa in dubbio la patriarchìa, la Chiesa drizza muri e l’Islam fa guerra. (La loro alleanza non è innaturale).

http://www.lastampa.it/_web/cmstp/tm...ione=&sezione=

[FabioGreggio]

da una mia amica che abita ad Amsterdam, il voto degli italiani in Olanda:

PARTITO DEMOCRATICO
472
29,42




IL POPOLO DELLA LIBERTA'
401
25,00




DI PIETRO ITALIA DEI VALORI
314
19,57




SINISTRA E LIBERTA'
119
7,41




LISTA MARCO PANNELLA - EMMA BONINO
105
6,54




UNIONE DI CENTRO
65
4,05




RIFOND.COM. - SIN.EUROPEA - COM.ITALIANI
42
2,61




LEGA NORD
39
2,43




FIAMMA TRICOLORE
17
1,05




LA DESTRA-MPA- PENSIONATI -ALL.DI CENTRO
14
0,87




PARTITO COMUNISTA DEI LAVORATORI
7
0,43




LIBERAL DEMOCRATICI - MAIE
5
0,31




SVP
3
0,18




FORZA NUOVA
1
0,06

[Gio22]

dal minuto 9:37

http://www.viddler.com/explore/Bivouac-ID/videos/17/


"Bisogna denunciare i partiti politici e i concetti quali il liberismo,la democrazia,il socialismo e tutto quanto ciò è associato al cervello umano" - predica in una moschea olandese -

ripensandoci però,è + pericolosa del mein kampf

[Fritz!]

Cosa otterresti facendo un filmino con citazioni bibliche, interviste ad estremisti evangelici americani (quelli che pensano sia vicine l'apocalisse), teroristi antiabortisti cristiani, lefevriani, certe opinioni di frange cattoliche sulla democrazia o sull'illuminismo o sugli omosessuali?

Originariamente inviato da Fritz!

Cosa otterresti facendo un filmino con citazioni bibliche, interviste ad estremisti evangelici americani (quelli che pensano sia vicine l'apocalisse), teroristi antiabortisti cristiani, lefevriani, certe opinioni di frange cattoliche sulla democrazia o sull'illuminismo o sugli omosessuali?

Risultati molto simili, solo che quelli da te citati parlano o al massimo fanno fuori qualche medico, e sono anche minoranze in progressiva estinzione, l'islam tiene in schiavitù milioni di persone, prevede il primato della religione sul governo, e cerca di espandersi.

In ogni caso per me sono equivalenti, vanno trattati allo stesso modo.