[Thread Ufficiale] Good Old Games - I Grandi Classici

[The Witcher]

ci sarà mai una vaga possibilità che gli stalker li rivedremo in forma aggiornata su steam? Magari sottoforma di aggiornamento.

Posso sempre prenderli da gog, naturalmente, ma preferivo cercare di portare più titoli su steam visto che è diventato un punto di riferimento XD

[sertopica]

Signori, segnalo che è disponibile Dungeon Keeper GRATIS per un tempo limitato!

[UnicoPCMaster]

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[Vertex]

Originariamente inviato da sertopica

Signori, segnalo che è disponibile Dungeon Keeper GRATIS per un tempo limitato!

Preso! Thanx

[michelgaetano]

Non dovrebbe essere granchè di titolo (dicono duri proprio poco), ma segnalo che col Capsule Computers bundle di Indiegala, ci si porta a casa con 1 $ Dracula 4 Shadow Of The Dragon su GOG (oltre agli altri 3 titoli)

[Axios2006]

Gog.com inaugura i (rullo di tamburi.....) Prezzi regionali!

Announcement: Big Preorders & Launch Day Releases Coming!

The DRM-Free Revolution Continues with Big Pre-Orders and Launch Day Releases!

Good news! GOG.com is going to bring you more fantastic launch day releases, preorders, and other exciting new content from some of our favorite developers. We've lined up 3 big titles that we will be bringing to GOG.com in the next couple of months for sale or preorder that we think will be hits with all of our gamers; and we have more equally exciting games coming up soon.

If you've been a member of the site for a long time, you may recall that when we launched sales of The Witcher 2 on GOG.com, we had to add in regional pricing. The game cost different amounts in in the US, the UK, the European Union, and Australia. We're doing something like that once again in order to bring you new titles from fantastic bigger studios. Since we don't accept currencies other than USD on GOG.com right now, we'll be charging the equivalent of the local price in USD for these titles. We wish that we could offer these games at flat prices everywhere in the world, but the decision on pricing is always in our partners' hands, and regional pricing is becoming the standard around the globe. We're doing this because we believe that there's no better way to accomplish our overall goals for DRM-Free gaming and GOG.com. We need more games, devs, and publishers on board to make DRM-Free gaming something that's standard for all of the gaming world!

That brings with it more good news, though! As mentioned, we have three games we're launching soon with regional pricing--two RPGs and a strategy game--and while we can't tell you what they are yet because breaking an NDA has more severe penalties than just getting a noogie, we're confident that you'll be as excited about these games as we are. For a limited time, we will be offering anyone who pre-orders or buys one of them a free game from a selection as a gift from GOG.com, just like we did for The Witcher 2.

If you have any questions, hit us up in the comments below and we'll be happy to answer (to the best of our ability).

http://www.gog.com/news/announcement...eleases_coming

[UnicoPCMaster]

Ma con The Witcher 2 non c'era comunque la possibilità di cambiare la regione d'acquisto?

[Darkless]

Ma tornassero a concentrarsi sui titoli anni 90

[michelgaetano]

Originariamente inviato da Axios2006

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Non penso la cosa piaccia a nessuno (che non viva in America), ma nel post è spiegato per filo e per segno e la cosa è in mano in buona sostanza ai publisher.

GOG come prezzi è sempre stata competitiva, alla peggiore penso che pagheremo il titolo quanto lo paghiamo normalmente su Steam. Cioè come prezzi la cosa è generalmente bundle < GOG < Steam, e su titoloni grossi al launch dei l'opzione bundle non esiste. Rimane se non altro che la cosa non è per tutti i titoli ma dovrebbe essere per i presunti triple A o dove lo forza il publisher.

Onestamente se GOG non vuole perdere terreno deve puntare ad avere quanti più titoli possibili e rafforzare l'offerta, se il prezzo regionale è necessario non c'è molto che si possa fare...

Originariamente inviato da UnicoPCMaster

Ma con The Witcher 2 non c'era comunque la possibilità di cambiare la regione d'acquisto?

Ricordavo qualcosa del genere, ma si tratterebbe comunque di falsificare la cosa no?

Originariamente inviato da Darkless

Ma tornassero a concentrarsi sui titoli anni 90

Dovrebbe essere abbastanza chiaro ormai che per gli oldies più "grossi" (la wishlist sul sito la conosciamo tutti) i problemi sono di diritti, figurati se non avrebbero già portato la roba più richiesta...

[Max_R]

Originariamente inviato da Darkless

Ma tornassero a concentrarsi sui titoli anni 90

Mannaggia ai gogghi, valà!
Ed io che attendevo solamente

Spoiler:

Simon The Sorcerer 4-5 Zanzarah the Hidden Portal Wizardry 1-5-Nemesis Elder Scrolls Series (including Battlespire and Redguard) Legacy of Kain Blood Omen Alpha Storm System Shock American McGee's Alice American McGee's Scrapland Descent to Undermountain Witchaven Series Shadowcaster Eye of the Beholder Series Dungeon Hack Dungeon Master Series Drakan Order of the Flame Gamefest: Forgotten Realms Classics Wizards and Warriors Gex Series Dark Forces Series Strife Trust no One Final Fantasy Series Spellcross The Last Battle Evil Twin Cyprien's Chronicles Resident Evil Series Metal Gear Solid Series Heavy Metal FAKK2 Harry Potter Series Lemony Snicket's A Series of Unfortunate Events Klingon Honour Guard The Wheel of Time Heretic Series Elite Force Series Myth Series Shannara Dark Earth Tron 2.0 No One Lives Forever Series Requiem Avenging Angel Kiss The Nightmare Child Aliens vs Predator Series Turok Series (including Evolution) Nocturne Discworld Series (including Noir) Crimson Skies Hexx: Heresy of The Wizard Alien Trilogy Fable (Including both SirTech / TelStar editions) Albion Wasteland Darkspyre Dusk of the Gods The Summoning Veil of Darkness The Legacy Realm of Terror The Magic Candle Series World of Aden Series Deathkeep The Terminator Series (2029, Rampage, Future Shock, SkyNet) Summoner Redline Gang Warfare 2066 The Creed Heavy Gear Series Test Drive Series Need for Speed Series

[29Leonardo]

ce ne dovessere essere una di notizia buona in sto periodo, ma pure su una cavolata...niente ...

[michelgaetano]

Alcuni dei post "ufficiali" sul forum GOG riguardo le domande degli utenti (alcune in chiara vena polemica, imo da apprezzare visto quanto vieniamo infinocchiati ogni volta) i prezzi regionali.

Penso possano interessare a chi "tiene" allo store, per tutti gli altri passatemi il muro di testo questo giro

Q: I hope the games from those "big publishers" are worth it (somewhat at least)...

Divinity: Original Sin is an example of the kind of game we're talking about; it's already launched on Steam for early access with regional pricing, and it wouldn't be very fair of Larian to give our EU and UK users a better value for the game if they buy it from GOG.com later as opposed to Steam now.

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Q: Can we still gift these games to gamers from different regions, and will each region still be getting the same versions of these games?

For releases of launch day stuff, I have no idea.

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Q: So will you be giving GOG credits to those that will have to pay more due to this?

Well, for these initial games we're talking about we have a plan to offer free games from a selected list. Beyond that, it's going to be on a case-by-case basis for a while I imagine. We certainly intend to try and offer something for every game that we sell we regional pricing. We know that 1 euro isn't 1 dollar, and we want to try to offset that.

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Q: So what's next? Adding DRM because "the decision on DRM is in our partners' hands"?

No. DRM is not negotiable. We had to decide which was more important to us: making more games DRM-Free, or keeping flat pricing? Many games that we could add to GOG.com (DRM-free, even!) are not available to us because of the legal messes that are involved with regional pricing.

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Q:Also, quoting The Witcher 2 is a little disingenuous, because that was not a strategic choice, but rather a court-enforced choice between either pulling it from GOG or applying regional pricing due to a botched agreement with Namco Bandai.

Yeah, that's a case where regional pricing ended up being required for the game, and seeing lawsuits like that has a certain chilling effect on other souls who may be adventurous enough to try DRM-free. This is what had to happen to get more games that are legally tied up with regional pricing available DRM-free.

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Q: I get the feeling that the classic releases are also going to be bumped up in price in the months to come, especially where EA, Activision and Ubisoft are concerned.

We honestly don't know what's going to happen with our classic games (who knows what happens when lawyers get involved?) but we can say that it is in no way our intent to bump up these prices for different regions.

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Q: I understand the dilemma. I expect there will be some kind of incentive (free games to the value overpaid?) to keep in line with GOG's ethos?

Yep. As noted in the post above, we will be offering free games in regions that pay more for these first three games. Beyond that, we will do our best to offer something to users who have regional pricing, but since there's no agreements in place for games we have yet to sign, it's harder to promise things.

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Q: Could you at least show us whether there's regional pricing on a game (next to the price or whatever, not somewhere where you have to search for it) and what the prices in other regions are?

You'll see the price that you're paying on the game page with the USD equivalent under it. It should be pretty evident.

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Q: And more worryingly, it gives publishers a bargaining chip to introduce DRM. They've seen now that GOG is willing to abandon core principles, and it will likely embolden them to push the issue of DRM even further.

It really doesn't. The reverse is true, actually. There's many games that we've been told, "We'd love to sell it on GOG, but the regional pricing is an issue..." Now the ball's in their court, and I expect we'll see lots of good things coming from it.

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Q: GOG did a survey around a year ago, asking people about putting limited DRM in games in an attempt to bring in some newer releases. We said no, and they said "we super duper pinkie promise to only sell DRM-filled games if they have some kind of offline mode". Not sure what happened afterwards, but it was surveyed alongside Early Access, and that's supposed to be coming sometime this year.

We decided it was a terrible idea, but we wanted to gauge the community interest about it in general. The community actually didn't seem to mind it, which is interesting, but we decided in the end it's not right for us.

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Q: Does the introduction of regional pricing also mean the introduction of regional lockout? Meaning, are we going to start seeing things like games not being available for purchase in certain regions or only being available in censored form?

I dunno. We don't currently have any agreements in place where this is going to happen. If it ever comes up in the future where someone can't find the rights for, I dunno, Mauritania or Turkey, yeah. I can see us doing that.

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Q: Much like how GOG has been trying to offer complete games whenever possible in spite of the introduction of DLC, will GOG also try to negotiate for flat pricing whenever possible?

we will most definitely press for flat pricing whenever we can. We're from Europe after all (well, everyone in the company but me. w0rma, and TurnipSlayer), and we know how regional can be handled poorly sometimes.

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Q: I love it how you say that you had to pick between EITHER "DRM-Free" or regional pricing. This is a brilliant gem, because we all know that DRM is tied to having non-regional pricing, right, right?

The phrasing may have been a little bit inelegant. It was that we could either sign these games and bring them DRM-free (I don't see any other digital distributor who's our size trying to sign AAA content DRM-free, do you?), or else stay with flat regional pricing and then not have the games.

GOG.com will remain DRM-Free, certainly. The games that we're bringing you guys? If they're not DRM-free here, I don't see them being DRM-Free anywhere.

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Q: As someone in the States I'm interested in how regional pricing will affect gifting. Will I have to restructure my giveaways in order to buy the right region version for the winner? And how the heck will gifting keys work, will they be tied to regions as well?

To my knowledge, there's no plans currently underweigh to change how gifting works.

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Q: Have you plans to offer other currency options? As several people have pointed out, regional pricing + currency conversion fees will make GOG extra-expensive.

Yes, eventually. The "when" of that is determined largely upon when all of the contracts / development can be finished.

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It can be problematic to make bold statements. "Flat pricing worldwide" was definitely a bold one, and you can see it's gotten us into some trouble today.

The problem for us is looking at the future of GOG.com and DRM-free gaming. We could, I suppose, settle into our niche as "that place that sells old games", and let it be.

We have bigger dreams than that. We started by selling new games DRM-free with The Witcher 2, and when that experiment worked out well for us--well in this case meaning "we earned money" we realized that we were on to something. The fact that we can routinely pull in a decent percentage of Steam's revenue for new titles--despite the face that we're a small fraction of their size means that we're doing something special. Now, GOG.com is a special place, so that's not incredibly shocking to me. Since almost all of these games that we are selling so well are sold at the same price everywhere in the world, it's not our pricing that's making a difference.

This makes sense to us, because we believe that DRM-free is different and important. So then the question becomes, if we're looking to grow, to be more than we are, and to make things different not just for us but also for other games around the world, how can we advance the DRM-Free Revolution? The best way we could think of to do that is to bring AAA games that are being released on their launch day to GOG.com, and to show that these games will sell well without DRM. That they won't be pirated any more than a game will because it's the Internet.

This is a risky call. I think big decisions are always risky. It may even be it's the wrong call. We'll find that out as we move forward. But this is us saying that we believe in the DRM-Free Revolution enough that we think it's the plan for us going forward. We think that making GOG.com the premier place to get games without DRM is what's most important for us.

It was a hard call, because it is a big change and it does involve us changing something that's been a part of us since we launched. Without making this call, the kind of transformative change that we think is important to keep GOG.com growing and to bring DRM-Free gaming to more people simply won't happen. So many new games are tied up in legal requirements thanks to retail partnerships that mandate regional pricing that anything almost every quality new release would be inaccessible to us.

We hope that this is the right move for us. We hope that you guys, the people who've brought us to where we are, will agree with this choice once you get the chance to see it in action. Time will tell, and we'll be listening to as we go. This is new territory for both you and us, and we're looking forward to exploring it together.

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Q: You do realise that by including regional pricing you're actually killing one of your advantages again Steams, so you basicaly shoot yourself into legs instead of pulling that percentages?

Well, no. Most of these new indie titles aren't regionally priced. So that's a pretty clear indication that's *not* the reason why we're doing so well in comparison to Steam.

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Q: And still, there´s another non-answered question left: Why don´t you just raise prices for everybody on this planet instead of dividing the world again? I just don´t get the point why we shouldn´t accept higher prices---ATM you are so incredibly cheap that this would possible with ease!
Oh, and please fill the gap at this "What is GOG"-line! It feels so disappointing!

The short answer is that your suggestion is non-competitive to the point where we'd be shooting ourselves in the face commercially.

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Q: Here's an interesting question. I am originally from Macedonia where the average salary is about 300 EUR. We pay the same price like western European countries that have average salary of 3000+ EUR.

So, with this regional pricing, will we see price reduction to 90% of the original price, since hey, its a regional price now? (Its a rhetorical question, I know that we will be paying the same price as rich European countries)

Regional pricing is developer or publisher determined; if they want to do it, then we'd be happy to go along with them on it.

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Q: Yea, "lets do regional pricing, but charge you in a foreign currency, because why the hell not!"

If you're doing something, at least do it right, there is 0 reason for an European citizen to pay for a product in $ when the price is advertised in EUR.

We will have local currencies. Soon. Let's just say that getting those on board is not going quite as fast as we'd hoped, but the goal is to be accepting EUR, AUD, GBP, and RUB in the next few months.

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Easy and central question: How many pricing territories will you provide to your partners? Four and only four?

You know, I don't know the answer to that. I know we're scheduled to have four more currencies, but I don't know how many different "regions" there will be.

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Q: I believe all gog's current prices includes taxes (even at the same price).

So gog is probably making less money per sale of games in certain regions.
(aka: if one country has no taxes the base price of 5.99/9.99 is good, but if there are 20% taxes involved, gog will be taking a 80% intake vs the usual 100%)

You are correct about this (for the EU, at least), but after 5 years of not charging more in Europe, it's hardly a main motivator for us at the moment.

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Q: Can you promise that only new, big publisher releases of new games will be affected by regional stuff?

No, I can't; contracts come up for re-negotiation all the time, and when they do there's no telling what may happen. I can promise that we did not go into this change with the intent of re-pricing swathes of our catalog of classic games in a manner that's unfair to gamers around the world. I can promise you that we will strive our utmost to keep things fair for gamers everywhere in the world. But I'm not gonna make a promise on something like this and then find in 18 months or 2 years that things turned out differently than we had thought they would.

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Q: Can you promise that Europeans will not pay 9.99€ for the same old games that Americans pay 9.99$ for. That anyone can pay in whatever currency he/she wants to if the game is not one of these "regionally priced" ones?

Ah, that's pretty much a no regardless. Either a game is regionally priced or it's not. We're not going to have a "choose your own currency" system in place for games, because that strikes me as complete insanity for the end user to try and manage.

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Can you promise that you won't start distributing different version of games for different regions, providing certain games only for some regions and region locking gift codes or installers?

As above, no. We can't promise this. We can promise that, especially for back catalog, we have no interest or particular intent in trying to offer regionally-changed titles. But we've already been forced to offer censored titles before on GOG.com, and there's no telling if it will happen again.

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[Malek86]

Da una parte, la cosa mi rompe. Se GOG non avesse il vantaggio dei dollari, è difficile che decida di comprarci un gioco nuovo piuttosto che su Steam. Il DRM-free nei giochi recenti non è quasi mai un grosso vantaggio.

Se però questo significasse avere accesso ad altri titoli vecchi, che magari al momento non sono agibili perchè i detentori dei diritti vogliono i prezzi regionali, allora sarebbe accettabile.

[Darkless]

Infatti non credo comprerò mai un gioco recente su GoG. Lo terrò sempre solo per gli oldies, per tutto il resto c'è steam (e con le carte ci recupero anche qualcosina)

[Max_R]

Qualcuno lassù ascolta. E' arrivato Summoner: action rpg molto carino anche se a tratti stressante per la ripetitività e la monotonia di certe locazioni (le fogne n.d.r.).

[michelgaetano]

Letter from the M.D.: About Regional Pricing

Edit: i 3 titoli in questione sono Age of Wonders 3, Divinity: Original Sin e The Witcher 3.

Edit 2: in buona sostanza l'intero catalogo diverrà prezzato per noi in € entro fine, i prezzi che vorrebbero adottare per i classici:

So let's talk about the pricing for classics that we're shooting for. For $5.99 classics, we would like to make the games 3.49 GBP, 4.49 EUR, 199 RUB, and $6.49 AUD. For $9.99 classics, our targets are 5.99 GBP, 7.49 EUR, 349 RUB, and $10.99 AUD.

Al cambio attuale, sono 20 cents in più sui giochi da 5,99 e 30 su quelli da 9,99, qualche spicciolo in meno se consideriamo i costi di conversione delle banche.

Edit 3: giustamente mi ero perso che Age of Wonders 3 (questo sarebbe il tripla A? andiamo bene ) è già in pre order. Il prezzo da noi è 39.99 €, peccato che in UK è 29.99 £ (36,50 € al cambio) e in US 39.99 $ (29,10 €)

I titoli di cui si riceve il gift: Master of Magic, Lords of Magic: Special Edition, Eador: Genesis, King’s Bounty: The Legend, Disciples II: Gold, and Etherlords II.

Lista qui dei prezzi per i diversi paesi

Edit 4: e mi ero perso anche lo stupendo day 1 DLC

[Malek86]

Originariamente inviato da michelgaetano

Letter from the M.D.: About Regional Pricing

Edit: i 3 titoli in questione sono Age of Wonders 3, Divinity: Original Sin e The Witcher 3.

Edit 2: in buona sostanza l'intero catalogo diverrà prezzato per noi in € entro fine, i prezzi che vorrebbero adottare per i classici:



Al cambio attuale, sono 20 cents in più sui giochi da 5,99 e 30 su quelli da 9,99, qualche spicciolo in meno se consideriamo i costi di conversione delle banche.

Edit 3: giustamente mi ero perso che Age of Wonders 3 (questo sarebbe il tripla A? andiamo bene ) è già in pre order. Il prezzo da noi è 39.99 €, peccato che in UK è 29.99 £ (36,50 € al cambio) e in US 39.99 $ (29,10 €)

I titoli di cui si riceve il gift: Master of Magic, Lords of Magic: Special Edition, Eador: Genesis, King’s Bounty: The Legend, Disciples II: Gold, and Etherlords II.

Lista qui dei prezzi per i diversi paesi

Edit 4: e mi ero perso anche lo stupendo day 1 DLC

Il cambiamento da dollari ad euro mi sta abbastanza bene, se consideri i costi di conversione alla fine non ci perdiamo quasi nulla.

Sul gioco nuovo invece non mi sembra messa tanto bene la pagina dice che noi paghiamo l'equivalente di $55, ma il gioco a scelta che ti danno in regalo vale da $6 a $10, quindi ci perdiamo come minimo $5, senza contare che magari a uno quei giochi non interessano

[Malek86]

Mi si è di nuovo corrotto il salvataggio di Blade of Darkness... e che cavolo

Ci rinuncio, gioco a Undying

Originariamente inviato da michelgaetano

Lista qui dei prezzi per i diversi paesi

Davvero triste. Il costo è minore in Svizzera e Norvegia che in paesi come Latvia e Slovacchia, dove non possono permetterselo. Sembra che stiano mettendo prezzi inferiori nei paesi extra-europei (il che non ha senso, l'IVA in Norvegia è la più alta d'Europa), mentre quelli europei si beccano tutti lo stesso prezzo, tranne la Polonia per ovvi motivi e gli UK tanto per.

[michelgaetano]

Aggiornamento (importante) sulla questione flat-pricing

Getting back to our roots

GOG dice di aver capito che per gli utenti la questione del flat pricing sta a cuore gli utenti e ha preso nota di conseguenza. In sintesi:

- GOG cercherà di avere prezzi uguali per ogni regione come fin qui, ma laddove non ci riusciranno copriranno la differenza di tasca loro, con un sistema di store credits.

All'annuncio della news sui prezzi regionali questo sarebbe dovuto avvenire tramite la scelta di un titolo gratuito tra quelli scelti da GOG, ma dopo il feedback (negativo) ricevuto hanno deciso di introdurre appunto un sistema di store credits: compriamo un gioco al lancio dove i publisher ci (noi europei) infinocchiano, GOG rimborserà la differenza in store credits.

Nota: nei primi 2 mesi (il tempo di implementare la cosa nello store) si riceveranno invece coupon codes da 5.99 e 9.99 $.

- GOG introdurrà comunque i prezzi in moneta locale come detto precedentemente, MA introdurrà la possibilità di scegliere se pagare con la propria moneta o in dollaro.

Avevano (e han fatto nuovamente) presente che questo non era per fregare soldi agli utenti, ma per rendere più semplice e trasparente la cosa visti i soliti cambi nascosti che avvengono quando si compra con moneta differente.

Facendo due conti in base a quanto caricava la banca ci perdevamo effettivamente qualcosa, ma non è necessariamente così per tutti (io ho fatto due conti e si perdevano una 20ina di centesimi su un gioco da 7,49 €, col cambio sanguisuga di PayPal invece era praticamente uguale). In questo modo si sceglie la moneta che più permette di risparmiare

A fine post han fatto notare che questo significherà per loro avere meno titoli da offrire rispetto a quanti potrebbero coi prezzi regionali, ma il feedback che hanno ricevuto è che l'utenza preferisce per questi casi aspettare se significa che GOG rimane fedele ai valori con cui ha avuto successo fin qui.

Non so voi ma sono molto contento della cosa, erano i cambiamenti che in molti avevano richiesto nel forum e che erano effettivamente in linea con le politiche pro-customer di GOG pur permettendo l'arrivo di titoli più nuovi

Non so (non l'hanno indicato, staranno valutando le cifre e mettendo a punto il sistema) quanto daranno in store credits e mi aspetto la cifra sia un po' inferiore al netto tra euro e dollaro; considerato i vari scontoni che fanno ci si prenderà ugualmente diversi titoli e di quelli che interessano, quindi andrà bene comunque

[Malek86]

Buono, anche se alla fine, non particolarmente utile: è molto raro che decida di comprare un gioco nuovo su GOG anzichè su Steam.