Aspettando Pro Evolution Soccer 2011[Thread Ufficiale]

[gnicK79]

Originariamente inviato da vicius80

invece la demo di fifa11 pc quando esce?

Il 16. Esiste, comunque, un thread apposito.

[juza1971]

quick impressions from evo-web:

"Playing Bayern v Barca now on Top Player. Graphics and animations make the Beta look terrible, so smooth and crisp even in Widecam. Replay function has a free-mode that lets you move anywhere, in close-up it's frightening in HD. Collision detection, freedom, the flow is spot on. Will load up a Ribery fake shot in a minute, totally different animation, but completely relevant. WOW"

"I have just finished playing 3 games of the PES 2011 demo. All of my matches were against the CPU on Professional difficulty.

The first match I was Barcelona against Bayern Munich and I lost 4-3. The second match I was SC Internacional against Chivas and I lost 1-0 and finally the third match I was Bayern Munich and I won 2-1 against Barcelona.

I have played the MLO Beta extensively and this demo is a clear step up from the MLO Beta code. I was impressed to see that many of the bugs we had addressed have gone but not all of them. Player runs are more intelligent when off the ball. Player response feels sharper and the shooting is much better but I think thats due to me playing with better teams now. However L1 change player is still a bit annoying.

I really love the shooting. It just feels great. I managed to score a beauty with Sergio Busquets from outside of the box with the outside of his foot and it curled and dipped into the bottom corner.

Player individuality is more pronounced in the demo. Messi is extremely dangerous and has fantastic close control but he isnt unstoppable. A well timed tackle will dispossess him. Robben as you would expect is a great dribbler.

Stamina can be seen without having to go into the options. It did seem to have an adverse effect in my Copa Libertadores match. My tired players were pushed off the ball easily and shots and passes were misplaced and hit.

Referees are much more strict than in the beta or PES 2010. Had many yellow cards in my first match due to late challenges.

Computer AI is quite impressive. They play really well by building up play and counter attacking at the right times.

Goalkeepers are definitely better than the MLO beta but they still make some silly mistakes. Victor Valdes rushed out off his line and let in a soft goal into his near post.

I havent had time to try out the new defensive system too much or the tricks so I will look into it a bit later.

The graphics seem better than in the MLO code and the replay function is fantastic. My complaint about the camera not keeping up with the action is now gone. The camera moves quicker than in the beta. All my matches were in wide cam.

The audio is improved also. There is no commentary in the demo obviously but the crowd are far more vocal. You can hear new chants and they boo really loudly when certain challenges are made or when the away team score.

Whats really annoying is that once the match is finished and you want to go back to the menu, the Gamescom trailer is played each and every time. Its so long and you cant skip it! I have to quit the game and start it again. Also team rosters arent up to date but its just a demo and they will be fixed for retail release.

Overall im very impressed. Its a clear step up from the MLO Beta and I keep getting that one more game feeling. For me its already the best PES this gen and a definite buy for any football fan."

"My early impressions

Ok, I've played 5 matches. All on Professional apart from one on Top Player which i lost 4-0!

I’m really liking this game. Feels great, balance from what I’ve seen so far is very impressive. It’s not perfect or the best game ever, but it’s the best football out there currently and I’m certainly not going back to an pervious titles anytime soon!

The animations are very good; there are two sides to them really. The smooth, solid, fluid ones which give the game the current gen (PS3 feeling) My only criticism is that they look a bit too casual at times, could do with seeing a few more aggressive and sharper animations in terms of making the game look better so there room for improvement definably but the most important thing is they feel as if they are all contextual and represent a football player.

The other side to them in terms of player weight, foot placing, momentum, turning speeds is the best I’ve seen in any football game! Even after five games I can see his is one of the games strong points, so many players feel different in terms of their movement, the first thing i noticed playing with Barca was Pique felt like a huge center back unlike Messi and Iniesta who could make nice subtle movements Pique simply couldn't dream about.

There are niggles though, nowhere near game killing but noticeable. The bicycle kick animation is still too fast, the rare strange moment here and there. Goalkeepers apparently can have their casual moments (not happened to me yet) but on the whole they have been fantastic and I'm looking forward to showing you one amazing save the Chivas keeper made!

The passing I’ve been saying is a real challenge now, the most impressive I’ve seen in any football game again! It's taking me time to adapt to how the game works and using the depth of options available. Because of this solid AI in terms of formation positioning, requiring you to be a lot more creative than ever before to play through teams. You have to make the right decisions whether to use the normal semi assisted passing or manual pass, through balls however are pretty powerful (It’s not on rails or anything but I'd advise people to use the manual pass for short layoffs into space).

When attacking have to really focus on where you’re passing and who you’re passing to. You need to plan a move in your head (vision/creativity skills) or adapt to the players making runs into space and find openings. It's not simple. Players won’t always be in space. You have to make use of any space you see in attack.

In terms of physical play it's again, impressive. Jostling feels natural but, it's the tackling system which is the real star. It's a very similar system to PS 5 which requires you to time pressing the 'X' Button rather than just hold x and wait for the CPU to do the rest. the angle and timing you go in for a tackle is crucial. it takes a while to get used to and expect it to be like PES 5 where the ref gets very whistle happy!

I'm not used to doing write ups and I’ve only covered a few area’s here will be more to come but for now, so far so very, very good.

Hope to talk more about tactics and individuality which I’ve already have seen to be to an great standard"

[alexbilly]

vabbè se quello di prima era un pro-fifa, questo è Seabass

[Frank Rubens]

Originariamente inviato da ghimmy

Primi commenti a caldo di un utente:

scaricata la demo,provata e disinstallata
mai provato gioco di calcio più brutto in vita mia
è vergognosamente brutto
i giocatori sono tutti ricoperti di aliasing,è più simulativo un gioco porno che questa schifezza
voi direte,ma un gioco porno non c'entra niente col calcio!bè nemmeno pes 11!
la konami ha fallito,di nuovo
poi,bo,i portieri non sanno che devono prendere la palla...
sto cercando di vedere i pregi di questo pes ma giuro che non ne trovo,o almeno,non vedo in cosa possa essere superiore in FIFA(anche fifa 2010 è superiore a questo pes)
i miglioramenti dall'anno scorso ci sono stati,certo,ma siamo a livelli indecenti
la difesa avversaria fa acqua da tutte le parti,le animazione durante i contrasti non sono all'altezza e inoltre i tiri da fuori sono quasi sempre tiri insidiosissimi
anche la propria difesa è stupida
i giocatori che non controlli non fanno pressing

Originariamente inviato da Frank Rubens

*** - PES 2011: Recensione del Codice Finale! (04/09/2010)

Scoop di ItaliaTopGames. Abbiamo trovato in rete la primissima recensione del codice finale di PES 2011, insomma la versione che troveremo nei negozi il prossimo 30 Settembre. A pubblicarla è il blog PES EVOLVES e ripresa anche da PES EDITING. Ci sono alcuni passaggi che abbiamo tradotto visto che sono i più importanti...

Tra le cose migliori ci sono sicuramente le animazioni: chi ha provato il codice finale, non ne ha trovate alcune "riciclate" dal 2010.

I portieri ora sono formidabili e hanno comportamenti molto realistici

I passaggi sono molto meno "guidati" rispetto alla beta dando una totale sensazione di libertà.

Il controllo con il pad è veramente a 360°

Il prepartita è molto più spettacolare e notevolmente migliorato e dinamico

I rigori non sono cambiati rispetto allo scorso anno

Secondo l'autore questo PES ci riporta al Pro Evolution Soccer di 4 anni fa che aveva amato

Stando quindi a chi ha provato il gioco siamo letteralmente di fronte ad un capolavoro. Noi ovviamente prima di sbilanciarci, vogliamo provare PES 2011... quanto meno il demo! - ***

Ps: ho letto dei passaggi che sono quelli riportati nelle Q&A riportate da Juza qualche post fa..

Mah..... Credo ad entrambi allo stesso modo: MANCU NA 'NTICCHIA!

[juza1971]

from kitanamedia forum:


My impressions after 1 match (Lost 3-0 as Barca against Bayern).

Keywords:

-Free kicks: A LOT of free kicks. Total of 18 free kicks in the match. 10 for me, 8 for Bayern. That's one every 5 minutes on average... That is way too many although most of them were correct decisions. As close as you can get to a gamebreaker, tbh. Hopefully it was a coincidence. Got a penalty kick which was clearly a clean tackle from demichelis.
-Passing: I don't understand the fuzz about getting used to the passing. To me it felt intuitive and very natural and my passing play felt good right from the kick-off (created a good chance straight from kick-off). BRILLIANT!
-Penalty: Blasted the penalty into row Z when just pointing towards the top corner and shooting like old PES's. Maybe still the broken system from last year?
-Responsiveness: Issues are a thing of the past! Very quick and responsive in every area of gameplay. Even keepers throw and kick the ball out faster.

Overall cautiously optimistic about the game




Firstly the game looks and plays a lot better than it does on the vids.

I have played about 8 games on top player and scored just 4 goals and conceded 7. This game is difficult, not helped by the keepers saving shots that you think are destined for the net. I have seen 1 mistake in 8 games when the keeper helped the ball towards the goal instead of pushing it wide but it hit the post and I cleared it off the line.

The CPU AI is really good they try to make you play to your teams weakness for example I was Barcelona and the AI stopped me going out wide by doubling up on Messi and Pedro. The freedom you have now is beyond anything in PES before and maybe in FIFA. The animations are fluid and response times are perfect.

If you see a pass you can attempt it but it may not come off as you need to get the power and the aim near perfect depending on the player you have.

The best bits of the game are the shooting animations which look superb and the speed is just perfect. Also the dribbling and physical play really stands out now. I did a 30 yard shoulder barge contest between Lahm and Pedro and it was even all the way seeing as they are the same size.

The only negatives so far are the graphics look slightly grainy but they always get downgraded to keep DL size small and they are still a few weird looking animations.


Well just finished playing my first match after a painstakingly long download. I was barca v bayern on professional and i won 2-0. Scissor kick from ibra and a nice slotted finish by iniesta.

After only one game i know this is the best pes next gen without a doubt. Love the passing it actually feels like its "you" doing it and not completley AI assisted, you can put it where you want which feels great. The frustrations of last year with rubbish through balls seem to be a thing of the past.

Defending sure takes some getting used to, i keep steaming in with R1 and getting no where. Seems to work rather nicely though.

Some people will be glad to here tricks arent all that simple to pull off, you need to be precise with the stick. If ive got one gripe its the graphics. A little grainy but adam has said on twitter they downgrade them to keep DL SIZE low. So expecting big improvements there. Will post some more once i get a few more games under my belt. Back to it


Re: PES 2011 Demo Impressions + Videos **READ FIRST POST!**

Postby BostonGoals » Wed Sep 08, 2010 3:18 pm
Very impressed so far, ultra-realistic but still great fun to play, won a few games on professional but lost 5-1 on Top Player.

Shooting is hard to get right, but when you do its very satisfying.

A few niggles though, keepers are hit and miss, referee's still make bad decisions and there was an auto-tackle in one of my games, it won the ball but was almost a penalty.

Pre-order well and truly placed though, a whole month away though!


been reading many "knee-jerk" impressions of the demo from various places, and I'd say around 90% are positive. Most are from seriously jaded PES fans who are pleasantly surprised. I think thats a nice turn around considering the doom and gloom some expected, even in the face of overwhelming evidence. Compared to PES2010 demo reactions, its a huge, huge improvement.



his game is incredible, two proper "WOAH!" moments in my first game, just little touches and animations that I wasn't expecting. Found it fairly easy on Professional but Top Player is a different proposition altogether. I'll upload a full game shortly although it might be a bit painful to watch. Still enjoyed playing it though.

Noticed a couple of dodgy ball moments, but no button lag at all. Keepers have generally been good too but I'm only three games in. So so impressed though, I'll be playing this all day and night.



Posso continuare fino a domani mattina, e quelli estrapolati sono chiaramente commenti piu' che positivi e andare a trovarne di negativi, ovviamente presenti, rappresenta soluzione ardua ai piu'. Ma chi vuole,senza fare nomi , puo' farlo. E soprattutto vorrei precisare una cosa, che la demenza di postare frasi del tipo " non vedo l'ora di massacrarlo a dovere" non rappresenta certo un inno alla oggettivita' ma che anzi dimostra, se ce ne fosse ancora bisogno, che la demenza ,forse senile, ha varcato anche i confini di questo thread .

[juza1971]

Originariamente inviato da alexbilly

vabbè se quello di prima era un pro-fifa, questo è Seabass

piu' d'uno allora, sono vari commenti e basta visionarli nei rispettivi forum di appartenenza . Quello che tutti vanno ripetendo "need time to be mastered", qualsivoglia giudizio e' legato a tanti tanti tanti test matches non che uno prenda il pad in mano, mezza partita ( come presumo fara' qualcuno ) e via giu' di legnate.

[XFormula1]

Originariamente inviato da cassanata

altro video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV5x_...layer_embedded

Vedendo questo video non mi sembra affatto male. Vedremo....
Di certo il primocommento postato qui sembra molto inaffidabile.

[Frank Rubens]

VOGLIO GIOCARCIIIIIII Se non lo provo io personalmente non credo a nessuno! Leggere sti pareri discordanti non fa altro che aumentare l'attesa e la voglia di metterci le mani sopra

[john18]

Originariamente inviato da juza1971

from kitanamedia forum:


My impressions after 1 match (Lost 3-0 as Barca against Bayern).

Keywords:

-Free kicks: A LOT of free kicks. Total of 18 free kicks in the match. 10 for me, 8 for Bayern. That's one every 5 minutes on average... That is way too many although most of them were correct decisions. As close as you can get to a gamebreaker, tbh. Hopefully it was a coincidence. Got a penalty kick which was clearly a clean tackle from demichelis.
-Passing: I don't understand the fuzz about getting used to the passing. To me it felt intuitive and very natural and my passing play felt good right from the kick-off (created a good chance straight from kick-off). BRILLIANT!
-Penalty: Blasted the penalty into row Z when just pointing towards the top corner and shooting like old PES's. Maybe still the broken system from last year?
-Responsiveness: Issues are a thing of the past! Very quick and responsive in every area of gameplay. Even keepers throw and kick the ball out faster.

Overall cautiously optimistic about the game




Firstly the game looks and plays a lot better than it does on the vids.

I have played about 8 games on top player and scored just 4 goals and conceded 7. This game is difficult, not helped by the keepers saving shots that you think are destined for the net. I have seen 1 mistake in 8 games when the keeper helped the ball towards the goal instead of pushing it wide but it hit the post and I cleared it off the line.

The CPU AI is really good they try to make you play to your teams weakness for example I was Barcelona and the AI stopped me going out wide by doubling up on Messi and Pedro. The freedom you have now is beyond anything in PES before and maybe in FIFA. The animations are fluid and response times are perfect.

If you see a pass you can attempt it but it may not come off as you need to get the power and the aim near perfect depending on the player you have.

The best bits of the game are the shooting animations which look superb and the speed is just perfect. Also the dribbling and physical play really stands out now. I did a 30 yard shoulder barge contest between Lahm and Pedro and it was even all the way seeing as they are the same size.

The only negatives so far are the graphics look slightly grainy but they always get downgraded to keep DL size small and they are still a few weird looking animations.


Well just finished playing my first match after a painstakingly long download. I was barca v bayern on professional and i won 2-0. Scissor kick from ibra and a nice slotted finish by iniesta.

After only one game i know this is the best pes next gen without a doubt. Love the passing it actually feels like its "you" doing it and not completley AI assisted, you can put it where you want which feels great. The frustrations of last year with rubbish through balls seem to be a thing of the past.

Defending sure takes some getting used to, i keep steaming in with R1 and getting no where. Seems to work rather nicely though.

Some people will be glad to here tricks arent all that simple to pull off, you need to be precise with the stick. If ive got one gripe its the graphics. A little grainy but adam has said on twitter they downgrade them to keep DL SIZE low. So expecting big improvements there. Will post some more once i get a few more games under my belt. Back to it


Re: PES 2011 Demo Impressions + Videos **READ FIRST POST!**

Postby BostonGoals » Wed Sep 08, 2010 3:18 pm
Very impressed so far, ultra-realistic but still great fun to play, won a few games on professional but lost 5-1 on Top Player.

Shooting is hard to get right, but when you do its very satisfying.

A few niggles though, keepers are hit and miss, referee's still make bad decisions and there was an auto-tackle in one of my games, it won the ball but was almost a penalty.

Pre-order well and truly placed though, a whole month away though!


been reading many "knee-jerk" impressions of the demo from various places, and I'd say around 90% are positive. Most are from seriously jaded PES fans who are pleasantly surprised. I think thats a nice turn around considering the doom and gloom some expected, even in the face of overwhelming evidence. Compared to PES2010 demo reactions, its a huge, huge improvement.



his game is incredible, two proper "WOAH!" moments in my first game, just little touches and animations that I wasn't expecting. Found it fairly easy on Professional but Top Player is a different proposition altogether. I'll upload a full game shortly although it might be a bit painful to watch. Still enjoyed playing it though.

Noticed a couple of dodgy ball moments, but no button lag at all. Keepers have generally been good too but I'm only three games in. So so impressed though, I'll be playing this all day and night.



Posso continuare fino a domani mattina, e quelli estrapolati sono chiaramente commenti piu' che positivi e andare a trovarne di negativi, ovviamente presenti, rappresenta soluzione ardua ai piu'. Ma chi vuole,senza fare nomi , puo' farlo. E soprattutto vorrei precisare una cosa, che la demenza di postare frasi del tipo " non vedo l'ora di massacrarlo a dovere" non rappresenta certo un inno alla oggettivita' ma che anzi dimostra, se ce ne fosse ancora bisogno, che la demenza ,forse senile, ha varcato anche i confini di questo thread .

Partiamo dal presupposto che l'educazione non deve mancare MAI,ed invece in questo tuo post sei stato parecchio maleducato.

Non sò cosa tu voglia dimostrare,ma i presunti anti-pessiani,invece delle chiacchiere hanno postato dei video della versione demo. Tu continua pure a selezionare i commenti positivi,noi ci guardiamo i video e commentiamo!

[john18]

Originariamente inviato da Frank Rubens

VOGLIO GIOCARCIIIIIII Se non lo provo io personalmente non credo a nessuno! Leggere sti pareri discordanti non fa altro che aumentare l'attesa e la voglia di metterci le mani sopra

Ci sono i video,basati su quelli.

[Frank Rubens]

Originariamente inviato da juza1971

E soprattutto vorrei precisare una cosa, che la demenza di postare frasi del tipo " non vedo l'ora di massacrarlo a dovere" non rappresenta certo un inno alla oggettivita' ma che anzi dimostra, se ce ne fosse ancora bisogno, che la demenza ,forse senile, ha varcato anche i confini di questo thread .

[bomber76]

Io dico solo questo: Su PC esiste solo PES
Poi se quest'anno Fifa sara' meglio di Pes, su PC, allora e' un altro discorso.
Aspetto la demo e gioco finale gia' ordinato

[Frank Rubens]

Originariamente inviato da john18

Ci sono i video,basati su quelli.

Me ne faccio ben poco di video di highlights dove si riesce a creare un caso INIESTA per una sforbiciata o di un video di gameplay dove molto probabilmente la difficoltà impostata è BRADIPO.. In generale dai video, oltre alle animazioni, ci ricavi poco e niente in termini di coinvolgimento, divertimento e quanto altro un videogioco deve regalarti. Ecco perchè voglio provare con mano.

[ghimmy]

Originariamente inviato da Frank Rubens

Mah..... Credo ad entrambi allo stesso modo: MANCU NA 'NTICCHIA!

Hai azzeccato le nostre origini sicule (mie e di john18...ma vedo anche tue )

[john18]

Originariamente inviato da Frank Rubens

Me ne faccio ben poco di video di highlights dove si riesce a creare un caso INIESTA per una sforbiciata o di un video di gameplay dove molto probabilmente la difficoltà impostata è BRADIPO.. In generale dai video, oltre alle animazioni, ci ricavi poco e niente in termini di coinvolgimento, divertimento e quanto altro un videogioco deve regalarti. Ecco perchè voglio provare con mano.

Tutti vogliamo provare con mano,ma ora ci sono questi video e si commentano per quello che sono. Lo dissi una pagina fa,mi piacerebbe capire aldilà della difficoltà,il motivo di questa facilità nei passaggi che in realtà dovrebbero essere più complessi da fare.

Il tutto pubblicizzato da konami,eh!

[Frank Rubens]

Originariamente inviato da ghimmy

Hai azzeccato le nostre origini sicule (mie e di john18...ma vedo anche tue )

In effetti è la tipica testardagine sicula

[Frank Rubens]

Originariamente inviato da john18

Tutti vogliamo provare con mano,ma ora ci sono questi video e si commentano per quello che sono. Lo dissi una pagina fa,mi piacerebbe capire aldilà della difficoltà,il motivo di questa facilità nei passaggi che in realtà dovrebbero essere più complessi da fare.

Il tutto pubblicizzato da konami,eh!

Sarei curioso di vedere un video di una partita giocata a livello TOP. Se tanti presunti "fanboy" di Pes continuano a scrivere che le buscano di santa ragione la cosa mi lascia pensare (in positivo).

[john18]

Originariamente inviato da Frank Rubens

Sarei curioso di vedere un video di una partita giocata a livello TOP. Se tanti presunti "fanboy" di Pes continuano a scrivere che le buscano di santa ragione la cosa mi lascia pensare (in positivo).

Forse non mi sono spiegato,il livello di difficoltà sicuramente aumenterà l'aggressività dei players avversari,ma i passaggi li sbagli pure con difficoltà "sotto-terra".

[juza1971]

kitanamedia demo impressions + videos ( spulciate ):

http://kitanamedia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3331

[john18]

Scusate ma questo "ice skating" lo dovevo postare.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poyI9R_v03w