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25-12-2009, 10:31

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prepariamoci all'ondata di "scetticismo"

Scontata sta cosa....poi qui dentro figurati dove le chance per nvidia di far bene sono ridotte ad un lumicino.Sarà una guerra.Ma è bello anche per questo questo Thread.

M4R1|< · 25-12-2009, 10:34

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Originariamente inviato da Nemesis Elite

Eccola qua :

http://vr-zone.com/forums/526529/nvi...with-tsmc.html

molto bene...

Nvidia: Fermi will be fastest, Dual GPU is possible and We are happy with TSMC

Il grassettato se lo potevano risparmiare, per il resto sono curiossissimo di avere maggiori informazioni (anche per ION e Tegra 2)

appleroof · 25-12-2009, 10:34

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Originariamente inviato da Nemesis Elite

Scontata sta cosa....poi qui dentro figurati dove le chance per nvidia di far bene sono ridotte ad un lumicino.Sarà una guerra.Ma è bello anche per questo questo Thread.

25-12-2009, 11:28

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Originariamente inviato da Ratatosk

Ma non doveva uscire massimo 2 mesi dopo, la dual? Ora è solo possibile?

Già vedremo....io intanto mi accontento di partire con un bel triple di 380...con tutti gli SP attivi.Ovvio.

25-12-2009, 11:55

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Originariamente inviato da Nemesis Elite

Già vedremo....io intanto mi accontento di partire con un bel triple di 380...con tutti gli SP attivi.Ovvio.

diciamo che ti accontenti di poco...

Jackaos · 25-12-2009, 12:06

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Originariamente inviato da Ratatosk

Ma non doveva uscire massimo 2 mesi dopo, la dual? Ora è solo possibile?

In effetti... comunque ormai si era capito che con l'aritmetica hanno problemi.
Speriamo a questo punto di vedere davvero qualcosa di concreto a Gennaio.

25-12-2009, 12:21

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Originariamente inviato da Jackaos

In effetti... comunque ormai si era capito che con l'aritmetica hanno problemi.
Speriamo a questo punto di vedere davvero qualcosa di concreto a Gennaio.

Si,credo che a Gennaio qualcosa di serio dovremmo vederlo magari proprio in concomitanza del CES (sperando che non facciano qualcosa a porte chiuse ma ci spero poco).Ormai il cerchio comincia a restringersi...

25-12-2009, 12:38

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Originariamente inviato da delly

diciamo che ti accontenti di poco...

Senti chi parla...

yossarian · 25-12-2009, 13:15

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In realtà il punto è che a parità di %, se il problema sono i consumi, conviene ridurre le frequenze del 14% che non i cluster del 14%. Questo perché i cluster disabilitati comunque si portano dietro dei consumi (non è come se non ci fossero) mentre ridurre la frequenza riduce i consumi superlinearmente.

Quindi è molto più probabile che le specifiche a 448SP siano state dettate dalla necessità di innalzare le rese produttive che non per abbassare i consumi. Poi ovviamente, visto che comunque in una qualche misura i consumi si abbassano si può recuperare una parte della potenza perduta aumentando le frequenze (sempre se tecnicamente possibile), ma dato un power budget il recupero non può essere totale.

esatto

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Esatto, é sempre piú conveniente (ovviamente rispettando le dimensioni massime del die) avere piú cluster e minori frequenze.
Oltre al fatto di non avere cluster disabilitati che ti ciucciano corrente, avere una frequenza minore implica anche avere un voltaggio minore, quindi il consumo si riduce linearmente con la frequenza e con il quadrato del voltaggio.

É plausibile quindi che il problema iniziale sia quello delle rese...d'altronde anche ATi all'inizio ha avuto un bel po' di problemi (che pare stia risolvendo solo ora)
Figurarsi un chippone grosso come fermi.
La serie Geforce, invece, la vedo anche con i 512SP, anche se all'inizio saranno poco disponibili.

esatto

ok, sto cazzeggiando................ comunque è vero che tra l'avere meno cluster o avere frequenze più basse la seconda è la scelta migliore: il problema è che fermi, come gt200, credo non abbia cluster ridondanti e aumentando il numero di alu (da 240 a 512) si abbassa percentualmente la probabilità di avere chip con tutte le alu funzionanti.

Auguri a tutti

yossarian · 25-12-2009, 13:17

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Originariamente inviato da M4R1|<

Nvidia: Fermi will be fastest, Dual GPU is possible and We are happy with TSMC

Il grassettato se lo potevano risparmiare, per il resto sono curiossissimo di avere maggiori informazioni (anche per ION e Tegra 2)

We are very happy to work with TSMC but also we are always looking for another oppurtinies.

oddio, tanto happy non sembrerebbero

Sealea · 25-12-2009, 13:22

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Originariamente inviato da Nemesis Elite

Senti chi parla...

che poi non capisco cosa ve ne fate XD

25-12-2009, 13:38

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Originariamente inviato da Nemesis Elite

Senti chi parla...

ehehehe...

io sono curioso di vedere le dual...

25-12-2009, 13:43

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Originariamente inviato da delly

ehehehe...

io sono curioso di vedere le dual...

Beh anche io,ma se ce da aspettare troppo per quelle andrò di Triple all'inizio.Continuo ad avere piena fiducia su FERMI...

25-12-2009, 13:44

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Originariamente inviato da Nemesis Elite

Beh anche io,ma se ce da aspettare troppo per quelle andrò di Triple all'inizio.Continuo ad avere piena fiducia su FERMI...

bhe...io aspetto tranquillamente con le mie due 5970...poi si vedrà...

PConly92 · 25-12-2009, 14:41

mamma miaa quante schede cambiate?!
secondo me una 5850 (( la mia prossima sk video)) basta e avanza per tutto il 2010!
se avessi io tutti quei soldi andavo a Miami (super vacanza) altro che trisli di fermi

ps. pure io sono un videogiocatore pc incallito

halduemilauno · 25-12-2009, 15:16

una specie di riassunto di fine anno...

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/16988/1/

2009: Fermi is the disappointment of the year

The year 2009 was really slow, unusually so when it comes to new product announcements and the better part of the second half of the year was spent waiting for new DirectX 11 parts.

In early 2009 Nvidia launched its Geforce GTX 295, something that has dominated the high end graphics market all the way until November 2009. Nvidia’s GTX 285 and GTX 260, both in 55nm were usually the best choice. In the mean time AMD had HD 4870 and HD 4850 cards and let’s not forget the dual-GPU HD 4870 X2, but all of them usually ended just slightly slower than Nvidia offering. The first part of year was clearly in Nvidia favour.

Then Nvidia started to mess things up. The rebranding scandal started when they decided to rebrand G92 based Geforce 9800 GTX+ to Geforce GTS 250. From the sales point of view this was a clear winner, but they were simply deceiving the market.

In the entry level neither ATI or Nvidia had great solutions to offer. The chips were ok but nothing more than that and most of them are not even worth mentioning. They were enough for some basic gaming and HD playback and that's about it.

Before summertime, ATI dared to be the first to launch its 40nm card. What will be known as one of its big failures ended up branded as Radeon HD 4770 and the world only saw a handful of them. This was an early sound that something is wrong with 40nm process and this issue really hasn’t been fixed to the present day. The end of the summer was all in ATI’s favour. At Computex AMD has demonstrated its first DirectX 11 hardware codenamed Evergreen. It worked and it could show some DirectX 11 demos. In August time, AMD was kind enough to show us personally the card running some test and in last week of September, the last days of Q3 2009 they have decided to release Radeon HD 5870, 5850 and 5770 cards.

AMD’s leaders have decided to drop the usual RV870 codenames and they’ve used Cypress codename for the top single card 5870 and 5850, Juniper was the codename for 57xx and Hemlock the 5970 the dual card came a bit later. AMD was the first with DirectX 11 and today, December 25th 2009, it is still the only company to have any DirectX 11 cards on market.

Nvidia reacted by announcing details about its upcoming technology packed Fermi architecture. Fermi was clearly the biggest disappointment of 2009. The architecture looks good on paper, its 512 shader chip looks promising and can potentially be faster than ATI’s solutions, but only if Nvidia could get its act together and introduce it.

Lets continue with Fermi. We were led to believe that it will come in November, then December and early Q1 time. Now its quite obvious that this card won't come before the end of Q1 2010. The way things looks from this perspective, we would be surprised to see serious volumes of Fermi on the market before Q2 2010. At that time ATI might have a counter card, a refreshed Evergreen series but we don’t think that this can beat Fermi, of course if we ever seen Fermi launch.

TSMC also didn't shine this time around. Even today they have some serious 40nm shortages and some of our sources have suggested that yields are at just 50 percent, which is definitely below any acceptable number, making the graphics shortage even more severe, We don't think this will get easily solved in 2010, at least we don't see any indications. Worst yet, both Nvidia and ATI high end chips are facing severe shortages worldwide, and getting any of them over the past several weeks has become a nightmare.

So today in last days of 2009, ATI is the clear graphics winner. It sold all of its 5x00 series, almost a million units since launch, as well as the remains of 4x00 series and ATI is clearly the dominant graphics player. It took ATI 6 years to get back to this position, as they were the better of two with R300 and now with RV870 – Cypress chip.

Nvidia has a lot of things to regret and we are sure that Jensen is not a happy man knowing that the competition is tearing them apart. The good thing for Nvidia is that ATI cannot ship enough DirectX 11 chips, but don’t be fooled, Nvidia is hurting big time for not having the right answer to ATI’s Evergreen.

We can definitely promise you an interesting year in graphics in 2010. As for 2009, we can just say we are happy it is almost over.

Jackaos · 25-12-2009, 15:49

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Originariamente inviato da PConly92

mamma miaa quante schede cambiate?!
secondo me una 5850 (( la mia prossima sk video)) basta è avanza per tutto il 2010!
se avrei io tutti quei soldi andavo a Miami (super vacanza) altro che trisli di fermi

ps. pure io sono un videogiocatore pc incallito

"se avessi" non "se avrei", scusa se ti correggo, non scrivo molto bene neppure io, ma questo proprio mi stonava

.
Magari coi soldi ci vanno anche a Miami oltre a farsi il tri-sli, anzi, può darsi ci vadano a cavalcioni del case sfruttando la propulsione delle loro VGA

.

25-12-2009, 20:45

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Originariamente inviato da yossarian

We are very happy to work with TSMC but also we are always looking for another oppurtinies.

oddio, tanto happy non sembrerebbero

- Fermi based GPUs will be fastest solutions in the market.
- We are very happy to see internal test results of Fermi.

Queste sono le parole che ci interessano.Del resto non ci frega una mazza.

M4R1|< · 25-12-2009, 20:59

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Originariamente inviato da yossarian

We are very happy to work with TSMC but also we are always looking for another oppurtinies.

oddio, tanto happy non sembrerebbero

Se si è felici nn si cercano altre opportunità, è un controsenso

Rsdj · 25-12-2009, 21:00

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Originariamente inviato da Nemesis Elite

- Fermi based GPUs will be fastest solutions in the market.
- We are very happy to see internal test results of Fermi.

Queste sono le parole che ci interessano.Del resto non ci frega una mazza.

Ragazzi ma queste parole dette sempre dal solito Alibrandi?

25-12-2009, 14:41	#11055
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25-12-2009, 15:16	#11056
halduemilauno Senior Member Iscritto dal: Feb 2002 Città: Discovery Messaggi: 34710	una specie di riassunto di fine anno... http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/16988/1/ 2009: Fermi is the disappointment of the year The year 2009 was really slow, unusually so when it comes to new product announcements and the better part of the second half of the year was spent waiting for new DirectX 11 parts. In early 2009 Nvidia launched its Geforce GTX 295, something that has dominated the high end graphics market all the way until November 2009. Nvidia’s GTX 285 and GTX 260, both in 55nm were usually the best choice. In the mean time AMD had HD 4870 and HD 4850 cards and let’s not forget the dual-GPU HD 4870 X2, but all of them usually ended just slightly slower than Nvidia offering. The first part of year was clearly in Nvidia favour. Then Nvidia started to mess things up. The rebranding scandal started when they decided to rebrand G92 based Geforce 9800 GTX+ to Geforce GTS 250. From the sales point of view this was a clear winner, but they were simply deceiving the market. In the entry level neither ATI or Nvidia had great solutions to offer. The chips were ok but nothing more than that and most of them are not even worth mentioning. They were enough for some basic gaming and HD playback and that's about it. Before summertime, ATI dared to be the first to launch its 40nm card. What will be known as one of its big failures ended up branded as Radeon HD 4770 and the world only saw a handful of them. This was an early sound that something is wrong with 40nm process and this issue really hasn’t been fixed to the present day. The end of the summer was all in ATI’s favour. At Computex AMD has demonstrated its first DirectX 11 hardware codenamed Evergreen. It worked and it could show some DirectX 11 demos. In August time, AMD was kind enough to show us personally the card running some test and in last week of September, the last days of Q3 2009 they have decided to release Radeon HD 5870, 5850 and 5770 cards. AMD’s leaders have decided to drop the usual RV870 codenames and they’ve used Cypress codename for the top single card 5870 and 5850, Juniper was the codename for 57xx and Hemlock the 5970 the dual card came a bit later. AMD was the first with DirectX 11 and today, December 25th 2009, it is still the only company to have any DirectX 11 cards on market. Nvidia reacted by announcing details about its upcoming technology packed Fermi architecture. Fermi was clearly the biggest disappointment of 2009. The architecture looks good on paper, its 512 shader chip looks promising and can potentially be faster than ATI’s solutions, but only if Nvidia could get its act together and introduce it. Lets continue with Fermi. We were led to believe that it will come in November, then December and early Q1 time. Now its quite obvious that this card won't come before the end of Q1 2010. The way things looks from this perspective, we would be surprised to see serious volumes of Fermi on the market before Q2 2010. At that time ATI might have a counter card, a refreshed Evergreen series but we don’t think that this can beat Fermi, of course if we ever seen Fermi launch. TSMC also didn't shine this time around. Even today they have some serious 40nm shortages and some of our sources have suggested that yields are at just 50 percent, which is definitely below any acceptable number, making the graphics shortage even more severe, We don't think this will get easily solved in 2010, at least we don't see any indications. Worst yet, both Nvidia and ATI high end chips are facing severe shortages worldwide, and getting any of them over the past several weeks has become a nightmare. So today in last days of 2009, ATI is the clear graphics winner. It sold all of its 5x00 series, almost a million units since launch, as well as the remains of 4x00 series and ATI is clearly the dominant graphics player. It took ATI 6 years to get back to this position, as they were the better of two with R300 and now with RV870 – Cypress chip. Nvidia has a lot of things to regret and we are sure that Jensen is not a happy man knowing that the competition is tearing them apart. The good thing for Nvidia is that ATI cannot ship enough DirectX 11 chips, but don’t be fooled, Nvidia is hurting big time for not having the right answer to ATI’s Evergreen. We can definitely promise you an interesting year in graphics in 2010. As for 2009, we can just say we are happy it is almost over. __________________ Good afternoon, gentlemen, I'm a H.A.L. computer.

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