G.B.:Approvato ammodernamento arsenale nucleare

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G.B.: CAMERA APPROVA AMMODERNAMENTO ARSENALE NUCLEARE

La Camera dei Comuni ha approvato il piano di ammodernamento dell'arsenale nucleare britannico. Il voto ha pero' segnato un nuovo duro colpo alla credibilita' di Tony Blair. Come accadde nel novembre del 2003 sul voto della guerra in Iraq, il premier ha dovuto fronteggiare la rivolta di una nutrita pattuglia di deputati laburisti che hanno deciso di votare contro il governo e ha dovuto subire anche lo smacco delle dimissioni di ben 4 sottosegrari in dissenso con la sua linea. Il piano di ammodernamento della flotta sottomarina, il nerbo del deterrente nucleare di Londra, e' passato solo grazie al voto dell'opposizione conservatrice. I voti a favore sono stati 409. I contrari 161.

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Last Updated: Wednesday, 14 March 2007, 20:35 GMT
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Trident plan wins Commons support
Vanguard submarine
The government says a decision on the submarines must be taken now
The government has won Commons support for plans to renew the UK's nuclear submarine system, despite a large rebellion by Labour MPs.

Tony Blair had said it was "essential" the UK began the £20bn plan to renew Trident as soon as possible.

After six hours of debate, 409 MPs supported the proposals, and 161 were against - a majority of 248.

Earlier 413 MPs had rejected a bid to delay the decision, with 95 Labour rebels among 167 MPs wanting a delay.

Between £15bn and £20bn would be spent on new submarines to carry the Trident missiles and the fleet would take 17 years to develop and build, and would then last until about 2050.

Defence minister Adam Ingram, speaking after the vote, said he had heard some "disgraceful" speeches from Labour rebels, but it had been a "strong and healthy" debate.


It was about us doing what we believed to be the right thing, rather than supporting the government
Liam Fox
Conservative defence spokesman

He dismissed any suggestion that the party was lacking unity, saying "this is a debate for the nation, not the Labour party".

Conservative defence spokesman Liam Fox said the plan was a "sound, sensible" policy that would ensure the UK would not be subject to "nuclear blackmail" from other states.

"It was about us doing what we believed to be the right thing, rather than supporting the government," Mr Fox said.

Liberal Democrat leader Sir Menzies Campbell, who voted for the amendment, said: "The government's got its way, but it's a humiliation for the prime minister that on a policy to which he has attached his own personal reputation he is unable to carry the House of Commons without the votes of the Conservative Party.

"It's a bit like the Iraq vote once again."


Few issues can divide Labour so instantly or comprehensively as this one
BBC's Nick Assinder

Analysis: Is this the end of the Trident debate?
Celebrities join opponents

SNP leader Alex Salmond said he believed most Scottish MPs , from all parties, had opposed the plans - and he thought the vote would damage Labour's chances in the upcoming Scottish elections.

He said ministers were "trying to impose on an unwilling country, nuclear weapons of mass destruction for the next 50 years - it's just not on."

He added: "The government have had to rely on the Conservative Party, once again, to get an unpopular policy through."

'Uncertain world'

Speaking during prime minister's questions before the nuclear weapons debate got under way, Mr Blair said: "I think it's right we take the decision now to begin work on replacing the Trident nuclear submarines.

"I think that is essential for our security in an uncertain world.

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See a 360-degree panorama of a Trident submarine control room.


"I believe it is important that we recognise that, although it is impossible to predict the future, the one thing... that is certain, is the unpredictability of it."

Conservative leader David Cameron agreed, saying: "Replacing Britain's independent nuclear deterrent is clearly in the national interest. The decision needs to be taken now."

Some Labour MPs wanted an assurance that Parliament will be able to revisit the Trident issue in the future.

Mr Blair said that was always a possibility, stressing that Wednesday's revisit the issue when it comes to contracts being negotiated for the work to take place from around 2012.

Mr Blair said in December that submarine numbers could be cut from four to three, while the number of nuclear warheads would be cut by 20%.

Deputy Commons leader Nigel Griffiths and ministerial aide Jim Devine quit earlier this week.


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We should not waste billions renewing Trident
George, Malvern

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Stephen Pound - parliamentary private secretary to Labour chairman Hazel Blears - did the same on Wednesday, followed by Chris Ruane, parliamentary private secretary to Mr Hain.

Opening the Commons debate, Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett said large nuclear arsenals still existed around the world and some countries in "unstable" regions were looking to create their own weapons.

She said: "There's the potential for a new nuclear threat to emerge or to re-emerge."

"Maintaining a nuclear deterrent remains a premium worth paying on an insurance policy for this nation."
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[blamecanada]

Tutto il mio sostegno ai "dissidenti".

[Sehelaquiel]

imho giusta decisione

[franklar]

Bene, tutte le potenze del mondo sono d'accordo sul riarmarsi tutte insieme fino ai denti, per motivi che noi poveri deficienti che votiamo possiamo solo immaginare, fino a quando non passerà il Gavrilo Princip di turno a far saltare in aria la santabarbara...

[easyand]

Originariamente inviato da franklar

Bene, tutte le potenze del mondo sono d'accordo sul riarmarsi tutte insieme fino ai denti, per motivi che noi poveri deficienti che votiamo possiamo solo immaginare, fino a quando non passerà il Gavrilo Princip di turno a far saltare in aria la santabarbara...

riarmarsi?
La gran bretagna ha sempre avuto le sue forze nucleari

[dantes76]

Originariamente inviato da easyand

riarmarsi?
La gran bretagna ha sempre avuto le sue forze nucleari

forse parlava di trattati...

[momo-racing]

si sta parlando troppo di nucleare per i miei gusti in quest'ultimo periodo, e non vorrei che si tornasse a vivere un clima simile a quello della guerra fredda. La cosa che m'ha lasciato più di stucco è che, ufficialmente per via della potenziale minaccia coreana, anche uno stato come il Giappone, che dopo Hiroshima e Nagasaki si è fatto portavoce nel mondo per il disarmo nucleare, abbia manifestato la possibilità di dotarsi di un arsenale atomico.

[franklar]

Originariamente inviato da easyand

riarmarsi?
La gran bretagna ha sempre avuto le sue forze nucleari

E grazie... Scusa, ma in lingua italiana "armarsi" significa dotarsi ex-novo di armi che prima non si possedevano, "riarmarsi" significa aggiornare-potenziare il proprio arsenale.

Forse parlavo del fatto che da una ventina di anni non sento più la parolina magica "disarmo"

[franklar]

Originariamente inviato da momo-racing

si sta parlando troppo di nucleare per i miei gusti in quest'ultimo periodo

E' quello che intendevo.

'Uncertain world'

Mr Blair said: "I think it's right we take the decision now to begin work on replacing the Trident nuclear submarines.

"I think that is essential for our security in an uncertain world.

Allegri, i nuovi arsenali saranno preziosi per difenderci da Bin Laden, i talebani ed un pugno di stati canaglia militarmente irrilevanti ( l'Iran per primo ).

[sider]

Bombarderemo quella distesa di pietre fono allo sfinimento!