Santech x86 Vs Pcspecialist Optimus VII Pro

[IRONAMD]

Salve a tutti come da titolo stavo guardando una configurazione su Santech x86

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700HQ 2.60 GHz (QC, 6 MB,..
- RAM: 16 GB DDR3L 1.600MHz CL11 (2x8.192MB)
- SSD (M.2): 256 GB Plextor M6GV
- Disco Rigido: 1.0 TB 7200RPM (buffer 32 MB S.ATA III)
- 2° Disco Rigido: 1.0 TB 7200RPM (buffer 32 MB S.ATA III)
- Display: 15,6" LED FullHD 1.920x1.080 IPS NO..
- Scheda Video: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960M 2,0 GB GDDR5 (de..
- Unità Ottica: -- Nessuna --
- Wireless: Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 8260 (TX/RX ..
- 3G/4G/LTE: -- Nessuno --
- Tastiera: Italiana (IT) - (Estesa, retroilluminata..
- Sistema Operativo: Windows 10 Professional 64bit (NO DVD)

e mi viene circa 1600 euro

Con pcspecialist

hassis & Display
Optimus Series: 17.3" Matte Full HD IPS LED Widescreen (1920x1080)

Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™ i7 Quad Core Processor 6700HQ (2.6GHz, 3.5GHz Turbo)

Memory (RAM)
16GB Kingston SODIMM DDR3 1600MHz (2 x 8GB)

Graphics Card
NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 965M - 2.0GB DDR5 Video RAM - DirectX® 12

Memory - Hard Disk
2TB SERIAL ATA II 2.5" HARD DRIVE WITH 32MB CACHE (5,400rpm)


2nd Hard Disk
2TB SERIAL ATA II 2.5" HARD DRIVE WITH 32MB CACHE (5,400rpm)


M.2 SSD Drive
256GB M.2 2280, SATA 6Gb/s (564MB/R, 400MB/W)


DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
2nd/3rd HDD HARD DRIVE OPTICAL BAY CADDY (9.5mm)


Memory Card Reader
Integrated 6 in 1 Card Reader (SD /Mini SD/ SDHC / SDXC / MMC / RSMMC)


Thermal Paste
ARCTIC MX-4 EXTREME THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY COMPOUND (€12)


Sound Card
Intel 2 Channel High Def. Audio + SoundBlaster™ Cinema 2


Bluetooth & Wireless
GIGABIT LAN & WIRELESS INTEL® AC-8260 M.2 (867Mbps, 802.11AC) + BLUETOOTH


USB Options
4 x USB 3.0 PORTS AS STANDARD


Battery
Optimus Series 6 Cell Lithium Ion Battery (62.16WH)


Power Lead & Adaptor
1 x European Power Lead & 120W AC Adaptor


Keyboard Language
OPTIMUS SERIES BACKLIT ITALIAN KEYBOARD WITH NUMBER PAD


Operating System
Genuine Windows 10 Professional 64 Bit - inc DVD & Licence (€143)


Operating System Language
Italy/Italia - Italian Language


Office Software
NO OFFICE SOFTWARE


Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE


Notebook Mouse
INTEGRATED 2 BUTTON TOUCHPAD MOUSE


Webcam
INTEGRATED 2.0 MP FULL HD WEBCAM


Warranty
3 Year Standard Warranty (1 Month Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)


Delivery
3 - 4 DAY DELIVERY TO ITALY (€40)


Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 8 to 10 working days
Quantity




Quindi anche qui sui 1600 scarsi, ora mi chiedevo con santech ho un 15,6" due hdd da 7200rmp da 1tb, mentre con pcspecialist ho un 17,3" con una geforge 965mx due hdd da 2tb 5400 (che mi fanno gola) ed un caddy al posto dell'dvd per montare un altro hdd...
Possibile ragazzi? A vederli sembrano gli stessi modelli!

Lasciamo stare il fatto che è in inghilterra ma voi cosa ne pensate? Possibile che Santech sia cosi piu cara rispetto a loro con componenti inferiori (anche se di poco ma il 17" lo preferirei di gran lunga al 15 del x86).

Esperienze in merito?

ps: la garanzia è di 3 anni anche per la ditta inglese.

[Borto88]

Sì, la differenza è quella, per il confronto Defiance II - Santech C47 a parità di specifiche la differenza di prezzo è sui 400€

[IRONAMD]

Cavoli allora se ne approfittano un po'.
saranno 40 0euro di differenza ma non a parità di componentistica notebook che nel pcspèecialist è migliore a partire dallo schermo .
Sarei tentato dagli inglesi. Qualcuno ha acquistato da loro?

[c3n2o]

Occhio che sia l'Optimus VII Pro che il Santech x86 hanno memoria DDR3 e non DDR4..
Magari a te non interessa, ma (mia opinione personale) se si prende un i7-6700HQ tanto vale puntare sulla ddr4..

[IRONAMD]

Originariamente inviato da c3n2o

Occhio che sia l'Optimus VII Pro che il Santech x86 hanno memoria DDR3 e non DDR4..
Magari a te non interessa, ma (mia opinione personale) se si prende un i7-6700HQ tanto vale puntare sulla ddr4..

Su questo ti do ragione

[matteogigli]

Originariamente inviato da c3n2o

Occhio che sia l'Optimus VII Pro che il Santech x86 hanno memoria DDR3 e non DDR4..
Magari a te non interessa, ma (mia opinione personale) se si prende un i7-6700HQ tanto vale puntare sulla ddr4..

Traendo spunto dalla tua considerazione ho approfondito la questione delle ddr4.
Forse mi sfugge qualcosa ma credo di aver capito che nella maggior parte delle situazioni la differenza è quasi impercettibile

Qui ho trovato un test comparativo tra ddr3 e ddr4 su piattaforma skylake: Link

"Well, when we compare the system and gaming benchmark results between our DDR3-2400 and DDR4-2400 configurations, there is very little difference. The DDR3 system occasionally took the lead, but overall DDR4 consistently inched ahead. It might sound obvious, but to see the performance benefits of the additional memory bandwidth provided by DDR4 you need a memory bandwidth intensive workload. There aren't a ton of those on the consumer side, but WinRAR file extraction is one of them and the performance difference was significant. There was a 7.5% gap between the identically clocked DDRx-2400 configurations, and a 20% improvement between the fastest DDR3-2400 and DDR4-3200 results. Sure, we could have tried DDR3-2666 or even DDR3-2800, but the economics just don't make sense since those elite DDR3 kits are often twice as expensive as comparable DDR4 kits. Furthermore, no matter the results, we would never recommend that anyone actually go out and buy expensive DDR3 at this point anyways, since DDR4 is the future in terms of compatibility with upcoming platforms.

In the introduction, we wondered whether DDR3's low clock speeds and resulting lack of bandwidth would hold back the performance of a Core i7-6700K. Based on our results, we have to say both yes and no. There are definitely instances when run-of-the-mill DDR3-1600 or even DDR3-2133 will be a bottleneck, but the numbers just aren't significant enough for us to sincerely recommend that you need to buy a DDR4 kit if you're trying to upgrade on a tight budget. If you already have a highly clocked DDR3 memory kit, definitely consider using it in a Skylake build. You will save money and achieve comparable performance to DDR4, but you need to be comfortable with the possibility of potential IMC damage and accept that no matter what there is an eventual DDR4 RAM purchase in your future".

[alonenero]

Originariamente inviato da matteogigli

Traendo spunto dalla tua considerazione ho approfondito la questione delle ddr4.
Forse mi sfugge qualcosa ma credo di aver capito che nella maggior parte delle situazioni la differenza è quasi impercettibile

Qui ho trovato un test comparativo tra ddr3 e ddr4 su piattaforma skylake: Link

"Well, when we compare the system and gaming benchmark results between our DDR3-2400 and DDR4-2400 configurations, there is very little difference. The DDR3 system occasionally took the lead, but overall DDR4 consistently inched ahead. It might sound obvious, but to see the performance benefits of the additional memory bandwidth provided by DDR4 you need a memory bandwidth intensive workload. There aren't a ton of those on the consumer side, but WinRAR file extraction is one of them and the performance difference was significant. There was a 7.5% gap between the identically clocked DDRx-2400 configurations, and a 20% improvement between the fastest DDR3-2400 and DDR4-3200 results. Sure, we could have tried DDR3-2666 or even DDR3-2800, but the economics just don't make sense since those elite DDR3 kits are often twice as expensive as comparable DDR4 kits. Furthermore, no matter the results, we would never recommend that anyone actually go out and buy expensive DDR3 at this point anyways, since DDR4 is the future in terms of compatibility with upcoming platforms.

In the introduction, we wondered whether DDR3's low clock speeds and resulting lack of bandwidth would hold back the performance of a Core i7-6700K. Based on our results, we have to say both yes and no. There are definitely instances when run-of-the-mill DDR3-1600 or even DDR3-2133 will be a bottleneck, but the numbers just aren't significant enough for us to sincerely recommend that you need to buy a DDR4 kit if you're trying to upgrade on a tight budget. If you already have a highly clocked DDR3 memory kit, definitely consider using it in a Skylake build. You will save money and achieve comparable performance to DDR4, but you need to be comfortable with the possibility of potential IMC damage and accept that no matter what there is an eventual DDR4 RAM purchase in your future".

se non hai fretta comunque aspetta qualche settimana : come riportato sul sito santech da questa settimana aggiorneranno gli X86 con DDR4 e vga migliore.. probabile lo farà anche PCspecialist .

se vuoi un consiglio e vuoi risparmiare .. a prescindere evita di mettere 3 Hard disk in configurazione .. se li compri dopo (magari metti solo l'SSD o un meccanico) e li prendi aftermarket risparmi parecchio!!
ovviamente poi devi chiedere autorizzazione all'update ma che di solito danno per questi componenti!