Anche gli americani piangono...

[leolas]

Vorrei far notare, a chi diceva che tutti avrebbero apprezzato la battuta di Berlusconi, e che non avrebbe cambiato niente nel panorama estero, che in realtà gli americani se la sono presa, sopratutto dopo che berlusconi ha dato dell'imbecille ad un loro giornalista.

Inoltre, citando per ultima una frase di un utente italiano che scriveva che il popolo italiano èun popolo razzista e con politici apolitici, direi che hanno sottilineato il fatto che anche loro la pensano così.

FONTE: New York Times

Obama Joke by Premier Has Italy in an Uproar

By RACHEL DONADIO
Published: November 7, 2008

ROME — Italians never quite know whether to laugh or cry at Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi. But many reacted with incredulity and outrage after the prime minister, visiting Moscow on Thursday, amiably called the first African-American president-elect in United States history “young, handsome and suntanned.”
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Mr. Berlusconi made the remark while meeting President Dmitri A. Medvedev of Russia, saying that Senator Barack Obama’s good looks, his youth and his so-called suntan were “all the qualities” for Mr. Medvedev and the future president to “develop a good working relationship.”

Many Italian newspapers gave the comment nearly as much front-page attention as Mr. Obama’s victory itself. The journalist Curzio Maltese wrote in the center-left La Repubblica that “bookmakers wouldn’t even take bets” on how long it would take for Mr. Berlusconi to let slip another of his famous gaffes. “Mr. Berlusconi never fails to live up to our worst expectations.”

Mr. Maltese added that just when Mr. Obama’s victory was “inspiring billions of people” to consider “democracy, the most extraordinary triumph of humanity after centuries of bloodshed and intolerance,” Mr. Berlusconi instead contributed “a miserable, vulgar and racist remark, for which he didn’t even have the courage to take responsibility or the dignity to apologize.”

A billionaire populist, Mr. Berlusconi excels at deflating such lofty talk. He said that his remark had been “a compliment” and that his critics lacked irony. “If you want to get a degree in idiocy, I won’t stop you,” La Repubblica quoted him as saying. “I say whatever I think.”

He said the Italian left was wrong about everything, “including their lack of a sense of humor.” He added: “Too bad for them. God save us from imbeciles.”

The center-left opposition leader, Water Veltroni, had earlier called such “cabaret one-liners” unworthy of a statesman and asked Mr. Berlusconi to apologize.

In Brussels on Friday, when Mr. Berlusconi was asked by a reporter if he would apologize, he said whoever had asked the question should be added to “the list” of imbeciles, Bloomberg News reported. “You should apologize to Italy,” it quoted him as saying.

Later on Friday, Mr. Obama, who has been calling world leaders, had a “long, cordial” telephone conversation with Mr. Berlusconi, according to the Italian news media. The two did not discuss the gaffe, the ANSA news agency reported.

The furor over Mr. Berlusconi’s remark has raised a question: Why, of all the problems Italy is facing — a weak economy, higher mortgage rates — would Mr. Berlusconi get more attention for his off-the-cuff remark than for his political program?

“Because it’s the last straw,” said a political commentator, Beppe Severgnini. “By now, Berlusconi isn’t a political case; he’s a psychological case.”

Mr. Berlusconi’s remark “wasn’t racist; it was infantile and untimely,” he added. “He has such a high opinion of himself that he thinks it’s acceptable to say anything to anyone.”

On Friday, Italy’s leading daily newspaper, Corriere della Sera, ran an illustrated display of Mr. Berlusconi’s most infamous gaffes. In 2002, he said that Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen of Denmark was “so handsome I’m thinking of introducing him to my wife.”

In 2003, he compared a German in the European Parliament to a Nazi concentration camp guard. In 2005, he caused a diplomatic commotion after hinting that he had persuaded the Finnish president, Tarja Halonen, to back Italy to host the European Food Safety Authority by wooing her. “I had to use all my playboy tactics, even if they have not been used for some time,” he said.

Yet Mr. Berlusconi’s latest gaffe seemed to tap into a deep well of anger at him, which is at least as strong as his high approval ratings. A brief report on NYTimes.com about the comment drew nearly 1,600 responses, most from upset Italians.

A reader named Alberto wrote, “Mr. Berlusconi’s stupid joke is a further demonstration of the racism and intolerance that grow inside Italian population, helped by the embarrassing attitude of Italian politics.”

[zuper]

ancora 3d su sta roba???

ebbasta

[T3d]

pizza, mafia, mandolino... e berlusconi

[Cfranco]

Originariamente inviato da zuper

ancora 3d su sta roba???

ebbasta

Che vuoi che sia ... Silvio ha solamente insultato Obama e gli americani , un personaggio che non ha alcun potere e una nazione che non conta nulla

[_Magellano_]

Ma aggiungerlo ad uno dei già tanti thread a riguardo? penso che i mod staranno maledicendo la terra perchè ne hanno già uniti 3 o 4.

[zuper]

Originariamente inviato da Cfranco

Che vuoi che sia ... Silvio ha solamente insultato Obama e gli americani , un personaggio che non ha alcun potere e una nazione che non conta nulla

e c'è bisogno di aprire 100 3d? nn c'è niente di + interessante su cui discutere?

[dantes76]

Originariamente inviato da zuper

e c'è bisogno di aprire 100 3d? nn c'è niente di + interessante su cui discutere?

tipo?

[zuper]

Originariamente inviato da dantes76

tipo?

panda

[LUVІ]

Sempre più giù nella scala della serietà mondiale.
Del resto, fra il serio e il faceto, stavo pensando, all'uscita del cinema, dove ho visto "Quantum of solace", James Bond si muove in paesi marginali, dove prosperano povertà, illegalità e amoralità, Haiti, Bolivia, e Italia.... questi gli scenari del film
Non sarà un caso

LuVi

[dantes76]

Originariamente inviato da zuper

panda

wrestling??

[zuper]

Originariamente inviato da dantes76

wrestling??

anche

[_Magellano_]

http://www.hwupgrade.it/forum/showth...858105&page=34 N 664,è lo stesso articolo della stessa giornalista. cambia solo una frase alla fine. e una in mezzo.

[Varilion]

La vignetta è del Times Direi che si adatta molto alla situazione, ed anche ad altre.

In ogni caso, bazzicando per i siti di giornali stranieri, erano più i titoli che suonavano come "Berlusconi criticato per una battuta" che altro (in tema s'intende)eh, con immancabili i commenti indigiantissimi dei lettori italiani, mentre gli stranieri hanno lasciato solo commenti in stile " Italians, don't worry, everyone knows that Berlusconi is himself a joke".

[StefAno Giammarco]

Si può continuare qui http://www.hwupgrade.it/forum/showthread.php?t=1858105 non è affatto necessario aprire un 3d per ogni post sull'argomento.