Clinton: "Sono stato più vicino io a catturare Bin Laden"

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Intervista con la Fox di Murdoch:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/...den/index.html

Transcript e video: http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/0...sama-bin-laden

Bill Clinton: I got closer to killing bin Laden

POSTED: 2:25 p.m. EDT, September 24, 2006

NEW YORK (CNN) -- In a contentious taped interview that aired on "Fox News Sunday," former president Bill Clinton vigorously defended his efforts as president to capture and kill al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.

"I got closer to killing him than anybody has gotten since. And if I were still president, we'd have more than 20,000 troops there trying to kill him," Clinton said, referring to Afghanistan.

"We do have a government that thinks Afghanistan is one-seventh as important as Iraq," he added, referring to the approximately 140,000 U.S. troops in Iraq.

In the interview, which was taped on Friday, Clinton also lashed out at Fox's Chris Wallace, accusing him of promising to discuss Clinton's initiative on climate change, then straying from the issue by asking why the former president didn't do more to "put bin Laden and al Qaeda out of business."

"So you did Fox's bidding on this show. You did your nice little conservative hit job on me," he said to Wallace, occasionally tapping on Wallace's notes for emphasis. "I want to know how many people in the Bush administration you asked this question of?

"And you've got that little smirk on your face and you think you're so clever. But I had responsibility for trying to protect this country. I tried and I failed to get bin Laden. I regret it," Clinton said.

Wallace said that the question was drawn from viewer e-mails.

Clinton asserted he had done more to try to kill bin Laden than "all the right-wingers who are attacking me now." In fact, Clinton said, conservatives routinely criticized him for "obsessing" over bin Laden while he was in office.

"They ridiculed me for trying. They had eight months to try. They did not try. I tried. So I tried and failed," he said.

The September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks occurred about eight months after Bush took office.

The former president said he authorized the CIA to kill bin Laden and overthrow the Taliban in Afghanistan after the bombing of the USS Cole in 2000, but the action was never carried out. Clinton said that was because the United States could not establish a military base in Uzbekistan and because U.S. intelligence and law enforcement agencies refused to certify that bin Laden was behind the bombing.

"The entire military was against sending special forces into Afghanistan and refueling by helicopter. And no one thought we could do it otherwise, because we could not get the CIA and the FBI to certify that al Qaeda was responsible while I was president."

Clinton also defended withdrawing U.S. forces from Somalia in 1993, after 18 servicemen were killed in Mogadishu when their Black Hawk helicopter was shot down.

Bin Laden told CNN in a 1997 interview that his followers were involved in that attack, which occurred eight months after the first attack on the World Trade Center.

"There is not a living soul in the world who thought Osama bin Laden had anything to do with Black Hawk down or was paying any attention to it," Clinton said.

In recent weeks, Clinton has responded to criticism of his administration's anti-terrorism efforts, sparked in part by the airing of an ABC docudrama miniseries called "The Path to 9/11."

The show, broadcast during the weekend before the fifth anniversary of the attacks, dramatized events leading up to the attacks in New York and Washington on September 11.

Former members of the Clinton administration protested in particular a scene that shows then-National Security Adviser Samuel Berger ducking a chance to have bin Laden killed or captured in a 1998 raid by CIA agents and Afghan guerrillas.

The scene contradicts the findings of the 9/11 Commission, upon which ABC had said the film was based.

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Guardate l'intervista perchè è eccezionale... almeno lui aveva le palle... l'unico che ho visto che abbia saputo tener testa a Faux News.

[von Clausewitz]

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Guardate l'intervista perchè è eccezionale... almeno lui aveva le palle... l'unico che ho visto che abbia saputo tener testa a Faux News.

ma dai, Clinton si sta difendendo che lo stanno mettendo sulla graticola per il fatto che dopo 8 anni della sua presidenza osama era forte come non mai
ahi voglia tu e lui di paragonare 8 anni con gli 8 mesi scarsi di Bush

[stbarlet]

avete visto confronting the evidence? non dico per tutta la parte relativa strettamente all`11/09 ma al secolo americano etc..?

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Originariamente inviato da von Clausewitz

ma dai, Clinton si sta difendendo che lo stanno mettendo sulla graticola per il fatto che dopo 8 anni della sua presidenza osama era forte come non mai
ahi voglia tu e lui di paragonare 8 anni con gli 8 mesi scarsi di Bush

mettendo sulla graticola si certo... come lui ricorda proprio gli stessi che non ripropongono la stessa domanda a nessun personaggio dell'amministrazione Bush o non si fa domande sulle assurde risposte date piu volte da Bush stesso in merito del tipo: "non so dove sia Bin Laden, francamente non è che ci pensi tanto...".

Su quanto sia stato fatto per la cattura di Bin Laden mi spiace ma i fatti parlano... le operazioni condotte dagli uffici dell'FBI di Philadelphia e NYC si sono rivelate fondamentali per arrivare a disegnare l'organigramma dell'organizzazione e a determinare chi fossero i possibili finanziatori, INCLUSI esponenti della famiglia reale saudita, guarda caso la stessa con cui il clan dei Bush è da sempre in eccezionali rapporti.

Uno dei filoni delle indagini dell'FBI, poi fermati dalla presidenza Bush con la re-direzione sotto la CIA, quello condotto da John O'Neill arrivò vicinissima alla scoperta del piano per gli attentati del 2001, che inizio proprio dopo gli attacchi di 8 anni prima con l'arresto di Yousef e soprattutto con le indagini dell'attentato al cacciatorpediniere Cole, condotte con diversi viaggi PERSONALI in Yemen.

Clinton ha detto di averci provato e non esserci riuscito e ha chiesto scusa. Da Bush tutto quello che abbiamo avuto fin'ora è un "non lo so dove sia"!

Bella anche la parte su Richard Clarke e sul fatto che abbia servito con dedizione ben 4 presidenti differenti sempre con la massima serietà salvo poi essere attaccato in modo feroce e scaricato senza complimenti dai più influenti esponenti neocon, soprattutto tra i media, dopo l'uscita del suo libro Against All Enemies: Inside America's War on Terror.

C'è poco da dire, è stato cosi convincente da mettere a tacere perfino un rabbioso neocon come Wallace.

Il testo integrale:

http://thinkprogress.org/clinton-interview

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Originariamente inviato da stbarlet

avete visto confronting the evidence? non dico per tutta la parte relativa strettamente all`11/09 ma al secolo americano etc..?

Roba vecchia da think tank..
Mi sarei stupito se avessero scritto un "nuovo progetto per un secolo cinese"..

[Darkel83]

Clinton era un figo assoluto.

Speriamo eleggano la moglie alle prox elezioni

[Sehelaquiel]

ho visto il video, Clinton che prende il controllo dell' intervista e mette a tacere l'intervistatore e' uno spasso

Piu' che la moglie, se Condoleeza si candidasse per l'elezioni la voterei senza pensarci due volte, se fossi americano. Temo pero' che questo non accadra', imho non sta mentendo quando dice che non e' interessata a candidarsi.

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Originariamente inviato da GioFX

mettendo sulla graticola si certo... come lui ricorda proprio gli stessi che non ripropongono la stessa domanda a nessun personaggio dell'amministrazione Bush o non si fa domande sulle assurde risposte date piu volte da Bush stesso in merito del tipo: "non so dove sia Bin Laden, francamente non è che ci pensi tanto...".

Su quanto sia stato fatto per la cattura di Bin Laden mi spiace ma i fatti parlano... Il Governo Clinton riteneva che Al Qaeda finanziasse Aidid durante il periodo dell'operazione Restore Hope quando come lui stesso ricorda nessuno ancora la conosceva (ben prima delle ambasciate), ed infatti è ormai riconosciuto il legame con l'attentato del 1993 al WTC. Le operazioni condotte dagli uffici dell'FBI di Philadelphia e NYC si sono rivelate fondamentali per arrivare a disegnare l'organigramma dell'organizzazione e a determinare chi fossero i possibili finanziatori, INCLUSI esponenti della famiglia reale saudita, guarda caso la stessa con cui il clan dei Bush è da sempre in eccezionali rapporti.

Uno dei filoni delle indagini dell'FBI, poi fermati dalla presidenza Bush con la re-direzione sotto la CIA, quello condotto da John O'Neill arrivò vicinissima alla scoperta del piano per gli attentati del 2001, che inizio proprio dopo gli attacchi di 8 anni prima con l'arresto di Yousef e soprattutto con le indagini dell'attentato al cacciatorpediniere Cole, condotte con diversi viaggi PERSONALI in Yemen.

Clinton ha detto di averci provato e non esserci riuscito e ha chiesto scusa. Da Bush tutto quello che abbiamo avuto fin'ora è un "non lo so dove sia"!

Bella anche la parte su Richard Clarke e sul fatto che abbia servito con dedizione ben 4 presidenti differenti sempre con la massima serietà salvo poi essere attaccato in modo feroce e scaricato senza complimenti dai più influenti esponenti neocon, soprattutto tra i media, dopo l'uscita del suo libro Against All Enemies: Inside America's War on Terror.

C'è poco da dire, è stato cosi convincente da mettere a tacere perfino un rabbioso neocon come Wallace.

Il testo integrale:

http://thinkprogress.org/clinton-interview

vabbeh gio, ho capito è tutta colpa di bushhhhhhhhh
cmq almeno bill sapeva dove si trovava osama eppure non l'ha preso è quello che gli rimproverano
il problema di bill è che voleva tutto a costo zero, che fosse somalia, kosovo, osama appunto o altro
il problema è che da 5000 metri non è detto che osama lo trovi e se lo trovi lo centri anche con missili teleguidati
bisognava scendere a terra e bushhhhhh è sceso

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Originariamente inviato da von Clausewitz

vabbeh gio, ho capito è tutta colpa di bushhhhhhhhh

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Originariamente inviato da von Clausewitz

cmq almeno bill sapeva dove si trovava osama eppure non l'ha preso è quello che gli rimproverano

CLINTON: All right. Let’s look at what Richard Clarke said. Do you think Richard Clarke has a vigorous attitude about bin Laden?

WALLACE: Yes, I do.

CLINTON: You do, don’t you?

WALLACE: I think he has a variety of opinions and loyalties, but yes, he has a vigorous…

CLINTON: He has a variety of opinion and loyalties now, but let’s look at the facts: He worked for Ronald Reagan; he was loyal to him. He worked for George H. W. Bush; he was loyal to him. He worked for me, and he was loyal to me. He worked for President Bush; he was loyal to him.

They downgraded him and the terrorist operation.

Now, look what he said, read his book and read his factual assertions — not opinions — assertions. He said we took vigorous action after the African embassies. We probably nearly got bin Laden.

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CLINTON: No, no. I authorized the CIA to get groups together to try to kill him.

The CIA, which was run by George Tenet, that President Bush gave the Medal of Freedom to, he said, He did a good job setting up all these counterterrorism things.

The country never had a comprehensive anti-terror operation until I came there.

Now, if you want to criticize me for one thing, you can criticize me for this: After the Cole, I had battle plans drawn to go into Afghanistan, overthrow the Taliban, and launch a full-scale attack search for bin Laden.

But we needed basing rights in Uzbekistan, which we got after 9/11.

The CIA and the FBI refused to certify that bin Laden was responsible while I was there. They refused to certify. So that meant I would’ve had to send a few hundred Special Forces in in helicopters and refuel at night.

Even the 9/11 Commission didn’t do that. Now, the 9/11 Commission was a political document, too. All I’m asking is, anybody who wants to say I didn’t do enough, you read Richard Clarke’s book.

WALLACE: Do you think you did enough, sir?

CLINTON: No, because I didn’t get him.

WALLACE: Right.

CLINTON: But at least I tried. That’s the difference in me and some, including all the right-wingers who are attacking me now. They ridiculed me for trying. They had eight months to try. They did not try. I tried.

So I tried and failed. When I failed, I left a comprehensive anti-terror strategy and the best guy in the country, Dick Clarke, who got demoted.

So you did Fox’s bidding on this show. You did your nice little conservative hit job on me. What I want to know is…

il problema di bill è che voleva tutto a costo zero, che fosse somalia, kosovo, osama appunto o altro

ti riferisci al fatto che ha dovuto affrontare la spesa per la riduzione del deficit creato da Regan e dal padre di W e che ora il figlio sta ricostituendo alla grandissima?

CLINTON: [..] Once I looked at the economic data, the new data after I won the election, I realized that I would have to work much harder to reduce the deficit, and therefore I would have less money in my first year to invest in things I wanted to invest in. [..]

bisognava scendere a terra e bushhhhhh è sceso

CLINTON: What did I do? What did I do? I worked hard to try to kill him. I authorized a finding for the CIA to kill him. We contracted with people to kill him. I got closer to killing him than anybody has gotten since. And if I were still president, we’d have more than 20,000 troops there trying to kill him.

Now, I’ve never criticized President Bush, and I don’t think this is useful. But you know we do have a government that thinks Afghanistan is only one-seventh as important as Iraq.

And you ask me about terror and Al Qaida with that sort of dismissive thing? When all you have to do is read Richard Clarke’s book to look at what we did in a comprehensive, systematic way to try to protect the country against terror.

And you’ve got that little smirk on your face and you think you’re so clever. But I had responsibility for trying to protect this country. I tried and I failed to get bin Laden. I regret it. But I did try. And I did everything I thought I responsibly could.

The entire military was against sending Special Forces in to Afghanistan and refueling by helicopter. And no one thought we could do it otherwise, because we could not get the CIA and the FBI to certify that Al Qaida was responsible while I was president.

And so, I left office. And yet, I get asked about this all the time. They had three times as much time to deal with it, and nobody ever asks them about it. I think that’s strange.