Turkey Signals It's Prepared to Enter Iraq

dantes76 · 19-07-2006, 17:19

Associated Press
Turkey Signals It's Prepared to Enter Iraq
By LOUIS MEIXLER , 07.18.2006, 02:25 PM

Turkish officials signaled Tuesday they are prepared to send the army into northern Iraq if U.S. and Iraqi forces do not take steps to combat Turkish Kurdish guerrillas there - a move that could put Turkey on a collision course with the United States.

Turkey is facing increasing domestic pressure to act after 15 soldiers, police and guards were killed fighting the guerrillas in southeastern Turkey in the past week.

"The government is really in a bind," said Seyfi Tashan, director of the Foreign Policy Institute at Bilkent University in Ankara. "On the one hand, they don't want things to break down with the United States. On the other hand, the public is crying for action."

Diplomats and experts cautioned the increasingly aggressive Turkish statements were likely aimed at calming public anger and pressing the U.S. and Iraq to act against the Turkish Kurdish guerrillas. But they also said Turkish politicians and military officers could act if nothing is done.

U.S. officials in Turkey and Washington were in contact with Turkish officials and military commanders to press them to work with Washington to combat the guerrillas and not to act alone, a Western diplomat said, speaking on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the subject.

Turkey's NTV television and Hurriyet newspaper reported the government has told the military to draw up plans for a push into northern Iraq and to advise on the possibilities such an incursion could lead to a clash with Iraqi Kurds or U.S. troops.

Any operation was unlikely before the end of August, when the current military chief of staff is replaced by an officer widely regarded as a hard-liner, NTV said.

The Western diplomat said the Turkish military long has had plans for fighting guerrillas in northern Iraq. These range from limited artillery and airstrikes on guerrilla bases, to attacks by commando forces and a broader ground offensive.

American officials, including Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, have repeatedly warned Turkey against entering northern Iraq, one of the few stable areas of the country.

U.S. Ambassador Ross Wilson said Turkish, Iraqi and U.S. cooperation is a "more sensible way to go forward than perhaps to ... try to do it unilaterally."

Nechirvan Barzani, prime minister of the Kurdistan regional government in northern Iraq, appeared to be addressing Turkish concerns when he said Tuesday that Iraqi Kurds "won't allow anyone to harm our neighbors by using our territory."

But he also said the problem with the guerrillas "cannot be solved through military means alone," Turkey's DHA news agency reported.

Turkey considers the guerrillas terrorists and has refused to talk with them.

Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan appeared to confirm reports that the military was ordered to draft plans when he said Tuesday: "We know how to take care of (terrorism) on our own... Our competent units are making preparations and will continue to do so."

Erdogan's spokesman, Akif Beki, refused to comment, but referred to a statement Monday by government spokesman Cemil Cicek. Cicek called on Iraqi and U.S. forces to take stronger action against the rebels and warned that if they did not, "Turkey is going to use its international rights until the very end."

Officials reported no unusual military activity in the border regions.

A Turkish push into northern Iraq could also threaten relations with European Union countries, which have been pressing Turkey to improve rights for minority Kurds.

The Turkish Kurdish guerrillas are mostly based in the Qandil mountains, an area 50 miles from the Turkish border with Iran. From Iraq, the guerrillas infiltrate southeastern Turkey to stage attacks.

Turkey has long had some 2,000 troops in northern Iraq near the border monitoring the area. But if Turkey sent in military units they would have to travel through territory controlled by Iraqi Kurds.

"I don't think it is Turkey's desire to stage an intervention in northern Iraq," said Ilter Turan, professor of international relations at Istanbul Bilgi University. Turkey "is simply trying to draw attention to the fact that it is an untenable position."

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Faethon · 19-07-2006, 17:33

Eh sì,vedi ,giustamente i Turchi pensano "Perchè gli Israeliani possono entrare in Libano e noi non possiamo entrare in Iraq?Tanto quando c'era Saddam entravamo e nessuno ci diceva niente".E hanno ragione,visto il caso Israeliano.

beppegrillo · 19-07-2006, 18:13

Quote:

Originariamente inviato da Faethon

Eh sì,vedi ,giustamente i Turchi pensano "Perchè gli Israeliani possono entrare in Libano e noi non possiamo entrare in Iraq?Tanto quando c'era Saddam entravamo e nessuno ci diceva niente".E hanno ragione,visto il caso Israeliano.

A dire il vero, ci avevano provato già prima del caso israeliano ammassando truppe sul confine iracheno, poi furono bacchettati dagli usa e cambiarono idea.
Ora ci hanno ripensato..

jpjcssource · 19-07-2006, 18:20

Turchi in casa dei Curdi, una miscela ottima

Faethon · 19-07-2006, 18:21

Quote:

Originariamente inviato da beppegrillo

A dire il vero, ci avevano provato già prima del caso israeliano ammassando truppe sul confine iracheno, poi furono bacchettati dagli usa e cambiarono idea.
Ora ci hanno ripensato..

Sì.Hanno ammassato le truppe aspettando la visita di Rice che li ha delusi.Si ha avuto notizia di operazioni limitate entro pochi chilometri,ma chiaramente ora hanno le speranza riaccese,perchè ora c'è "precedente legale" in contemporanea.E USA per lo meno dovrà concedere qualcosa,tipo una promessa ,non so.

19-07-2006, 18:39

ah...li Turchi

....dico io povero Iraq

Faethon · 19-07-2006, 18:54

Da giornale turco:

Erdogan: We will Decide on Cross-Border Operation
By Zaman, Istanbul, Ankara
Published: Wednesday, July 19, 2006
zaman.com

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan issued a strong declaration in response to US Ambassador to Turkey Ross Wilson's statement opposing a possible cross-border operation in northern Iraq.

Erdogan said that Mr. Wilson cannot make a decision regarding Turkey’s cross-border operation in response to Wilson’s statement that “Turkey should not carry out a unilateral cross-border operation in northern Iraq.”

“The relevant Turkish government institutions can make such a decision. We will decide and then exercise that decision.”

Prime Minister Erdogan said he spoke with US President George W. Bush concerning a cross-border operation, and added that Turkey has made the necessary preparations for a military operation into northern Iraq.

“Differing approaches in the fight against terrorism are unacceptable. We are keeping ourselves ready for all possible developments.”

At the General Assembly Meeting of the Foreign Economic Relations Council (DEIK), Erdogan told reporters that Wilson’s statement is “wrong.”

Turkey welcomes working in conjunction with the relevant countries to remove the PKK presence in northern Iraq.

“All our security units carry out their duties and are determined to continue to do so in the future,” said Prime Minister Erdogan, stressing that it is impossible just sit back and watch as events upset Turkey’s security.

A meeting of Turkey’s Higher Anti-terror Board (TMYK) underlined that Turkey has the right of legitimate defense and hot pursuit in response to border incidents.

This approach was supported by the government and the army.

Turkey told the US administration, which is opposed to Turkey launching a cross-border operation into northern Iraq “unilaterally,” that “the US should fulfill its responsibilities as an ally of Turkey and stop pursuing double-standard policies.”

Following Mr. Wilson’s statement, diplomatic sources said: “Turkey offered to act in cooperation with its allies to eliminate terrorism entirely. Our allies should make similar efforts also. Allies with a common vision should cooperate.”

While Turkey has conveyed to the US its expectations regarding the complete removal of the PKK, the US says it does not want Turkey to enter northern Iraq.

In response, Turkey said: “We neither wish to occupy Iraq nor to destroy it. Obviously, our aim is to use our right of legitimate defense in order to end terrorism that should have been stopped by the Iraqi government.”

Faethon · 19-07-2006, 19:39

Hahaha!La Turchia ha trovato un alleato che supporta l' entrata dei Turchi in Iraq.L' Iran

Iran: We Support Turkey's Possible Cross-Border Operation
By Harun Celik, Cihan News Agency, Ankara
Published: Wednesday, July 19, 2006
zaman.com

The Iranian Ambassador to Ankara, Firouz Dowlatabadi, has said Iran will support Turkey in case of a possible military operation against the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) in northern Iraq.

In an interview with Cihan News Agency concerning recent developments in the region, Dowlatadabadi said Turkey’s offensive against PKK terror is perfectly legitimate.

The Iranian ambassador estimates Turkey’s entrance into northern Iraq to eradicate terrorist hideouts will not affect Iran.

“Turkey has the right to annihilate terrorists wherever they are found. Iran is ready to do its best to help Turkey,” Dowlatabadi continued.

Ambassador Dowlatabadi said the American approach to the PKK is an example of a double-standard, noting, “Israel began to strike Palestine using captured Israeli soldiers as their excuse.”

Turkey has a good case to fight against the separatist terror organization which martyrs Turkish soldiers every day.

“Countries that do not hesitate to kill dozens of people in revenge for the capture of two soldiers, do not have the right to prevent Turkey from suppressing terrorism in northern Iraq,” Dowlatadabadi said in regard to America’s “double standard.”

Concerning the recent pro-Palestine demonstration in Diyarbakir, Dowlatadabadi noted, “The demonstration in Diyarbakir illustrated that Kurds in Turkey do not share the same political tendencies with the PKK.”

“Kurds expressed their anger towards Israeli policies despite the strategies Israel followed in South East Anatolia,” said Dowlatadabadi.

The Iranian ambassador estimated that Israel and America are responsible to some extent for the terrorist acts in East and Southeast Anatolia.

Firouz Dowlatabadi said: “Haaretz newspaper threatened Turkey with ‘supporting the PKK’ following the Hamas visit to Turkey, which shows that Israel has a hand in the latest terrorist incidents. These kinds of threatening expressions have an influence on the bloody events currently occurring in Turkey. America and Israel opened the way for the attacks against the Turkish army.”

http://www.zaman.com/?bl=international&alt=&hn=34901

E incredibile come TUTTI nella zona interpretano le stesse cose in modo diverso a seconda dei loro interessi.

1)USA:
-Israele può entrare in Libano.
-I Turchi non possono entrare in Iraq

2)Turchia:
-Israele non può entrare in Libano.
-Ma siccome è entrato,fate entrare anche noi.

3)Iran:
-Israele non può entrare in Libano.
-Ma visto che USA è contraria all' entrata turca,allora noi siamo a favore!(tanto nè la Turchia nè l' Iran vogliono vedere una "casa Curda" in Iraq,nel senso di uno stato).Poi si vocifera,che Israeliani stanno addestrando curdi in Iraq,e sono a favore della nascita di un Kurdistan,quindi Iran ha una ragione in più.Un' esempio:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...177712,00.html

Questo spiega anche la politica turca meno filoisraeliana dell' ultimo tempo.

L' ipocrisia della politica estera in tutto il suo splendore

jpjcssource · 19-07-2006, 20:15

Ti sei dimenticato del protagonista di questi giorni

4) Israele
- non possiamo entrare in Libano
- ma tanto lo facciamo lo stesso in barba a 2) 3) e tutti gli altri mussulmani

Comunque la situazione si fa sempre più tesa, il medio oriente se non si ferma diventerà una bella mappa di risiko.

Faethon · 19-07-2006, 20:23

Quote:

Originariamente inviato da jpjcssource

Ti sei dimenticato del protagonista di questi giorni

4) Israele
- non possiamo entrare in Libano
- ma tanto lo facciamo lo stesso in barba a 2) 3) e tutti gli altri mussulmani

Comunque la situazione si fa sempre più tesa, il medio oriente se non si ferma diventerà una bella mappa di risiko.

E non è finita.Hai Iran che parla di terroristi.

Già,perchè i Kurdi sono terroristi.I Hizbollah invece,sono partigiani.

Quella zona è tutta inguaiata e sta peggiorando.

franklar · 19-07-2006, 21:15

Quote:

Originariamente inviato da Faethon

E non è finita.Hai Iran che parla di terroristi.

Già,perchè i Kurdi sono terroristi.I Hizbollah invece,sono partigiani.

Quella zona è tutta inguaiata e sta peggiorando.

Oddio no non dire così... io ho sentito un sacco di volte il Presidente Bush dire che la guerra in Iraq è vinta e quel paese diventerà un faro di democrazia e pace in tutto il Medio Oriente ! Se lo dice The President of The United States io ci credo !

Faethon · 19-07-2006, 21:21

Quote:

Originariamente inviato da franklar

Oddio no non dire così... io ho sentito un sacco di volte il Presidente Bush dire che la guerra in Iraq è vinta e quel paese diventerà un faro di democrazia e pace in tutto il Medio Oriente ! Se lo dice The President of The United States io ci credo !

Beh,se sono davvero fortunati,magari diventano pure faro di democrazia.Cioè,quelli che restano vivi.Per il momento,i Curdi al nord fanno prova generale di governo autonomo,mentre Shiiti e Sunniti preparano allegramente i coltelli al sud.Poi sai,spesso,dopo una guerra civile,si stancano e viene davvero la democrazia.

discepolo · 20-07-2006, 01:21

Mi sa tanto che George si incazza non poco!

Altro che "Mamma i Turchi!"

franklar · 20-07-2006, 13:09

S'incazza con chi, con i Turchi ??

come no...

[OT]Discepolo ha finalmente un avatar decente. Allelujahhh !!! Dio sia lodato !!!

[/OT]

discepolo · 20-07-2006, 15:09

Quote:

Originariamente inviato da franklar

S'incazza con chi, con i Turchi ??

come no...

[OT]Discepolo ha finalmente un avatar decente. Allelujahhh !!! Dio sia lodato !!!

[/OT]

Se s' incazzano le formiche nel loro piccolo perchè non il George W. Bush ?

OT/
E' pure un bel anime o hentai!

/OT

19-07-2006, 17:19	#1
dantes76 Senior Member Iscritto dal: Dec 2002 Città: AnTuDo ---------- Messaggi Totali: 10196 Messaggi: 1521	Turkey Signals It's Prepared to Enter Iraq Associated Press Turkey Signals It's Prepared to Enter Iraq By LOUIS MEIXLER , 07.18.2006, 02:25 PM Turkish officials signaled Tuesday they are prepared to send the army into northern Iraq if U.S. and Iraqi forces do not take steps to combat Turkish Kurdish guerrillas there - a move that could put Turkey on a collision course with the United States. Turkey is facing increasing domestic pressure to act after 15 soldiers, police and guards were killed fighting the guerrillas in southeastern Turkey in the past week. "The government is really in a bind," said Seyfi Tashan, director of the Foreign Policy Institute at Bilkent University in Ankara. "On the one hand, they don't want things to break down with the United States. On the other hand, the public is crying for action." Diplomats and experts cautioned the increasingly aggressive Turkish statements were likely aimed at calming public anger and pressing the U.S. and Iraq to act against the Turkish Kurdish guerrillas. But they also said Turkish politicians and military officers could act if nothing is done. U.S. officials in Turkey and Washington were in contact with Turkish officials and military commanders to press them to work with Washington to combat the guerrillas and not to act alone, a Western diplomat said, speaking on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the subject. Turkey's NTV television and Hurriyet newspaper reported the government has told the military to draw up plans for a push into northern Iraq and to advise on the possibilities such an incursion could lead to a clash with Iraqi Kurds or U.S. troops. Any operation was unlikely before the end of August, when the current military chief of staff is replaced by an officer widely regarded as a hard-liner, NTV said. The Western diplomat said the Turkish military long has had plans for fighting guerrillas in northern Iraq. These range from limited artillery and airstrikes on guerrilla bases, to attacks by commando forces and a broader ground offensive. American officials, including Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, have repeatedly warned Turkey against entering northern Iraq, one of the few stable areas of the country. U.S. Ambassador Ross Wilson said Turkish, Iraqi and U.S. cooperation is a "more sensible way to go forward than perhaps to ... try to do it unilaterally." Nechirvan Barzani, prime minister of the Kurdistan regional government in northern Iraq, appeared to be addressing Turkish concerns when he said Tuesday that Iraqi Kurds "won't allow anyone to harm our neighbors by using our territory." But he also said the problem with the guerrillas "cannot be solved through military means alone," Turkey's DHA news agency reported. Turkey considers the guerrillas terrorists and has refused to talk with them. Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan appeared to confirm reports that the military was ordered to draft plans when he said Tuesday: "We know how to take care of (terrorism) on our own... Our competent units are making preparations and will continue to do so." Erdogan's spokesman, Akif Beki, refused to comment, but referred to a statement Monday by government spokesman Cemil Cicek. Cicek called on Iraqi and U.S. forces to take stronger action against the rebels and warned that if they did not, "Turkey is going to use its international rights until the very end." Officials reported no unusual military activity in the border regions. A Turkish push into northern Iraq could also threaten relations with European Union countries, which have been pressing Turkey to improve rights for minority Kurds. The Turkish Kurdish guerrillas are mostly based in the Qandil mountains, an area 50 miles from the Turkish border with Iran. From Iraq, the guerrillas infiltrate southeastern Turkey to stage attacks. Turkey has long had some 2,000 troops in northern Iraq near the border monitoring the area. But if Turkey sent in military units they would have to travel through territory controlled by Iraqi Kurds. "I don't think it is Turkey's desire to stage an intervention in northern Iraq," said Ilter Turan, professor of international relations at Istanbul Bilgi University. Turkey "is simply trying to draw attention to the fact that it is an untenable position." Copyright 2006 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/ap/...ap2887214.html __________________ “ Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus”-המעז מנצח -

19-07-2006, 17:33	#2
Faethon Senior Member Iscritto dal: Sep 2005 Messaggi: 834	Eh sì,vedi ,giustamente i Turchi pensano "Perchè gli Israeliani possono entrare in Libano e noi non possiamo entrare in Iraq?Tanto quando c'era Saddam entravamo e nessuno ci diceva niente".E hanno ragione,visto il caso Israeliano. __________________ Tecnologie Intel LaGrande e AMD Presidio

19-07-2006, 18:20	#4
jpjcssource Senior Member Iscritto dal: Sep 2005 Città: Ferrara (cs_italy) Messaggi: 5102	Turchi in casa dei Curdi, una miscela ottima __________________ Asrock Z68 Extreme4Gen3, Core i5 2500K@3,7Ghz, Radeon HD6950 2GB, 4x1 GB OCZ PC3-12800 DDR3 1600MHz, Iiyama Prolite B2403WS LCD 24" + Plasma Panasonic 50VT20E 3D, SSD Crucial M4 256GB, WD Caviar 250GB Sata II 16MB, Alice Flat 2 Mbit/s , PS3 Slim 120GB HALF LIFE 2: LE MIGLIORI MOD

19-07-2006, 18:54	#7
Faethon Senior Member Iscritto dal: Sep 2005 Messaggi: 834	Da giornale turco: Erdogan: We will Decide on Cross-Border Operation By Zaman, Istanbul, Ankara Published: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 zaman.com Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan issued a strong declaration in response to US Ambassador to Turkey Ross Wilson's statement opposing a possible cross-border operation in northern Iraq. Erdogan said that Mr. Wilson cannot make a decision regarding Turkey’s cross-border operation in response to Wilson’s statement that “Turkey should not carry out a unilateral cross-border operation in northern Iraq.” “The relevant Turkish government institutions can make such a decision. We will decide and then exercise that decision.” Prime Minister Erdogan said he spoke with US President George W. Bush concerning a cross-border operation, and added that Turkey has made the necessary preparations for a military operation into northern Iraq. “Differing approaches in the fight against terrorism are unacceptable. We are keeping ourselves ready for all possible developments.” At the General Assembly Meeting of the Foreign Economic Relations Council (DEIK), Erdogan told reporters that Wilson’s statement is “wrong.” Turkey welcomes working in conjunction with the relevant countries to remove the PKK presence in northern Iraq. “All our security units carry out their duties and are determined to continue to do so in the future,” said Prime Minister Erdogan, stressing that it is impossible just sit back and watch as events upset Turkey’s security. A meeting of Turkey’s Higher Anti-terror Board (TMYK) underlined that Turkey has the right of legitimate defense and hot pursuit in response to border incidents. This approach was supported by the government and the army. Turkey told the US administration, which is opposed to Turkey launching a cross-border operation into northern Iraq “unilaterally,” that “the US should fulfill its responsibilities as an ally of Turkey and stop pursuing double-standard policies.” Following Mr. Wilson’s statement, diplomatic sources said: “Turkey offered to act in cooperation with its allies to eliminate terrorism entirely. Our allies should make similar efforts also. Allies with a common vision should cooperate.” While Turkey has conveyed to the US its expectations regarding the complete removal of the PKK, the US says it does not want Turkey to enter northern Iraq. In response, Turkey said: “We neither wish to occupy Iraq nor to destroy it. Obviously, our aim is to use our right of legitimate defense in order to end terrorism that should have been stopped by the Iraqi government.” __________________ Tecnologie Intel LaGrande e AMD Presidio Ultima modifica di Faethon : 19-07-2006 alle 18:59.

19-07-2006, 19:39	#8
Faethon Senior Member Iscritto dal: Sep 2005 Messaggi: 834	Hahaha!La Turchia ha trovato un alleato che supporta l' entrata dei Turchi in Iraq.L' Iran Iran: We Support Turkey's Possible Cross-Border Operation By Harun Celik, Cihan News Agency, Ankara Published: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 zaman.com The Iranian Ambassador to Ankara, Firouz Dowlatabadi, has said Iran will support Turkey in case of a possible military operation against the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) in northern Iraq. In an interview with Cihan News Agency concerning recent developments in the region, Dowlatadabadi said Turkey’s offensive against PKK terror is perfectly legitimate. The Iranian ambassador estimates Turkey’s entrance into northern Iraq to eradicate terrorist hideouts will not affect Iran. “Turkey has the right to annihilate terrorists wherever they are found. Iran is ready to do its best to help Turkey,” Dowlatabadi continued. Ambassador Dowlatabadi said the American approach to the PKK is an example of a double-standard, noting, “Israel began to strike Palestine using captured Israeli soldiers as their excuse.” Turkey has a good case to fight against the separatist terror organization which martyrs Turkish soldiers every day. “Countries that do not hesitate to kill dozens of people in revenge for the capture of two soldiers, do not have the right to prevent Turkey from suppressing terrorism in northern Iraq,” Dowlatadabadi said in regard to America’s “double standard.” Concerning the recent pro-Palestine demonstration in Diyarbakir, Dowlatadabadi noted, “The demonstration in Diyarbakir illustrated that Kurds in Turkey do not share the same political tendencies with the PKK.” “Kurds expressed their anger towards Israeli policies despite the strategies Israel followed in South East Anatolia,” said Dowlatadabadi. The Iranian ambassador estimated that Israel and America are responsible to some extent for the terrorist acts in East and Southeast Anatolia. Firouz Dowlatabadi said: “Haaretz newspaper threatened Turkey with ‘supporting the PKK’ following the Hamas visit to Turkey, which shows that Israel has a hand in the latest terrorist incidents. These kinds of threatening expressions have an influence on the bloody events currently occurring in Turkey. America and Israel opened the way for the attacks against the Turkish army.” http://www.zaman.com/?bl=international&alt=&hn=34901 E incredibile come TUTTI nella zona interpretano le stesse cose in modo diverso a seconda dei loro interessi. 1)USA: -Israele può entrare in Libano. -I Turchi non possono entrare in Iraq 2)Turchia: -Israele non può entrare in Libano. -Ma siccome è entrato,fate entrare anche noi. 3)Iran: -Israele non può entrare in Libano. -Ma visto che USA è contraria all' entrata turca,allora noi siamo a favore!(tanto nè la Turchia nè l' Iran vogliono vedere una "casa Curda" in Iraq,nel senso di uno stato).Poi si vocifera,che Israeliani stanno addestrando curdi in Iraq,e sono a favore della nascita di un Kurdistan,quindi Iran ha una ragione in più.Un' esempio: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...177712,00.html Questo spiega anche la politica turca meno filoisraeliana dell' ultimo tempo. L' ipocrisia della politica estera in tutto il suo splendore __________________ Tecnologie Intel LaGrande e AMD Presidio

19-07-2006, 18:39	#6
Ferdy78 Messaggi: n/a	ah...li Turchi ....dico io povero Iraq

19-07-2006, 20:15	#9
jpjcssource Senior Member Iscritto dal: Sep 2005 Città: Ferrara (cs_italy) Messaggi: 5102	Ti sei dimenticato del protagonista di questi giorni 4) Israele - non possiamo entrare in Libano - ma tanto lo facciamo lo stesso in barba a 2) 3) e tutti gli altri mussulmani Comunque la situazione si fa sempre più tesa, il medio oriente se non si ferma diventerà una bella mappa di risiko. __________________ Asrock Z68 Extreme4Gen3, Core i5 2500K@3,7Ghz, Radeon HD6950 2GB, 4x1 GB OCZ PC3-12800 DDR3 1600MHz, Iiyama Prolite B2403WS LCD 24" + Plasma Panasonic 50VT20E 3D, SSD Crucial M4 256GB, WD Caviar 250GB Sata II 16MB, Alice Flat 2 Mbit/s , PS3 Slim 120GB HALF LIFE 2: LE MIGLIORI MOD

20-07-2006, 01:21	#13
discepolo Bannato Iscritto dal: Aug 2005 Messaggi: 1035	Mi sa tanto che George si incazza non poco! Altro che "Mamma i Turchi!"

20-07-2006, 13:09	#14
franklar Senior Member Iscritto dal: Oct 2000 Città: Prov. Bari Messaggi: 1771	S'incazza con chi, con i Turchi ?? come no... [OT]Discepolo ha finalmente un avatar decente. Allelujahhh !!! Dio sia lodato !!! [/OT] __________________ Слава Україні!

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