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Iscritto dal: Sep 2002
Città: LA CITTA' PLURI-CAMPIONE D'ITALIA!
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he loophole that allowed Milan to take Athens road
Calciopoli scandal should have resulted in the Rossoneri being barred from Europe this season Richard Williams Monday May 21, 2007 The Guardian Pat Crerand believes the players of Milan should not be travelling to Athens this week in their attempt to gain revenge for their defeat by Liverpool in the Champions League final two years ago. To the former Manchester United and Scotland wing-half, the punishment inflicted on the Italian club for their part in last summer's referee-influencing scandal ought to have included their automatic disqualification from the competition, and he believes he has history on his side. Article continues His mind goes back to a May night in 1969, when Milan arrived at Old Trafford for the second leg of the European Cup semi-final needing only to protect a 2-0 lead from the first leg at San Siro in order to dismiss the holders. United had pulled one goal back after 70 minutes, through Bobby Charlton, when Crerand hit a cross from the byline that his colleagues believed had been prodded over the line by Denis Law before Mario Anquilletti, Milan's right- back, scooped it back into play. "We knew it had crossed the line," Crerand said yesterday. "And even if it hadn't been a goal, it would have been a penalty because Anquilletti used his hand to pull it back. But the French referee saw nothing. We thought there was something going on." Indeed, Roger Machin, the official in question, waved away United's furious protests and allowed play to continue. He had already had to cope with a five-minute delay while Fabio Cudicini, Milan's goalkeeper, regained consciousness after being hit on the head by a missile thrown from the Stretford End. In Crerand's view, however, the official's refusal to allow a United equaliser was part of a dark and disturbing pattern that resulted, only last summer, in Milan being punished for an attempt to influence the selection of referees for their matches in the Italian league. "I don't think they should be in the final," said Crerand, who now works for Manchester United's TV station. "It's the top club competition in Europe and one of the teams shouldn't be there. I think it's unfair. Milan shouldn't be there the same way that West Ham shouldn't be in the Premier League. It doesn't send out a very good message to the rest of football, does it? And this wasn't a one-off in Italy. It's been going on for years. I think they were getting at the referees when I was playing, too. In the first leg in 1969 we had some funny decisions. And we certainly thought the same in the second leg." Crerand also mentioned the scandal of 1973, when Brian Clough's Derby County were denied a place in the European Cup final by a Juventus team whose general manager was later exposed, thanks to investigations by Brian Glanville of the Sunday Times, as having attempted to influence referees. The Golden Fix, as it became known, led to no serious investigation but its echoes were to be detected in scandals of later years. Milan's involvement in match-fixing goes back to 1980 and the Totonero investigation into a betting ring found them guilty of bribing players and officials. After finishing third the previous season, Milan were punished by being relegated to Serie B, along with Lazio. Their president, Felice Colombo, was given a life ban, while three players received disqualifications of between four years and six months. Last summer, Milan were implicated in the Calciopoli scandal, which began when phone-taps revealed the general manager of Juventus, Luciano Moggi, had been attempting to control the selection of officials for Serie A matches. Moggi's club suffered the harshest punishment, being stripped of their league title and relegated to Serie B, but Milan - along with Lazio and Fiorentina - were also found guilty of lesser charges. In Milan's case, their refeering liaison officer, a restaurateur from Lodi called Leonardo Meani, was said to have made incriminating phone calls, one of which was to Gennaro Mazzei, the Italian Football Association's [FIGC] head of linesmen, after Milan had lost 2-1 to Siena. Meani criticised the appointment of one linesman in forthright terms: "I don't want him. I never asked for him nor wanted him." And he added a request for their next match: "On Wednesday, try to send two intelligent ones." Although the charges were on a much smaller scale than those levelled against Moggi and Juventus, they were nevertheless enough to incur a retrospective deduction of 44 points from the total with which Milan had earned second place in Serie A in the 2005-06 season, plus an advance deduction of 15 points from the present season. On appeal, however, these were lowered to 30 points and eight respectively, the former being just enough to put them in third position, ensuring them a place in last August's qualifying round of the Champions League, while the latter made inclusion in next year's tournament a realistic ambition. For Juventus, being erased from the final table of the 2005-06 season meant they would automatically be excluded from the Champions League and many felt the same punishment should be inflicted on the other clubs involved in the scandal. At the headquarters of Uefa, however, it was discovered that the governing body's rules did not allow it to override the decisions of a national association. If the FIGC deemed Milan fit to represent them, there was nothing that could be done. "It was very simple," William Gaillard, Uefa's head of communications, told me. "Our executive committee could only take up the matter after the Italian sentences were confirmed, because there were many appeals. The Italian association sent us their list of clubs, which included Milan. Some of the committee had misgivings about the situation, but when we examined our statutes and regulations we saw that we could not do anything about it because, in matters such as this, the national association was sovereign. "The only possibility was to change our statutes, and that was done at our congress in Düsseldorf in January. Now we have the power to intervene. If a team has been game-fixing or affecting results, and if the case is sufficiently grave, Uefa will be able to exclude them." Welcome as the change may be, it came several months too late to exclude Milan from this year's competition, which they are now the bookmakers' favourites to win for a seventh time on Wednesday. And there are those, such as Crerand, who will find it difficult to take comfort from the knowledge that, at least on paper, things will be different in the future. "They're a smashing team, Milan, and maybe they didn't know what was going on," Crerand concluded. "Or would some of them have known? You'd have to ask them. Obviously the players want to win the top trophy, but if you do it unfairly, is it worth it?" How the punished clubs have fared: Milan Docked eight points, they lie fourth in Serie A and have reached the Champions League final Fiorentina Started with minus 15 points but now stand fifth Lazio With only three points to make up, they are third in Serie A Reggina Began 11 points down and hover above the relegation zone Siena Only one point deducted but they are in danger of the drop Juventus Relegated with nine-point deficit, but have won promotion Bhè,nn c'è molto da dire,all'estero appariamo per quello che siamo: un paese ridicolo. |
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Città: Appiano Gentile
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Grande portiere, ritiratosi troppo presto.
Sua figlia però promette bene in quanto a figosità. Ne riparleremo in età non da maniaci. ![]() Sarà anche brutto (anzi, lo è proprio ) però c'ha i soldi, quindi la figa non gli manca di certo (vedi Cassano). Che stronzi i milionari. Quote:
Ma in che film? ZANETTI TITOLARE!! Quote:
Cassano è uno dei giocatori più sopravvalutati di sempre. Come giocatore vale poco, come uomo non vale proprio un cazzo. Lo spogliatoio dell'Inter non ha bisogno di certa gente che crea malumori e basta. E se andiamo a pescare qualsiasi giocatore anche non titolare, l'Inter non ha bisogno di indebolirsi facendo scendere in campo un trippone così, che è pure ignorante, brutto e sicuramente puzza. Su Suazo non so che dire, se il presidente del Cagliari dice che o va alla Roma o rimane al Cagliari significa che o va all'Inter o va all'estero. ![]() Quote:
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Comunque per il Milan non so...da una parte sono super-favoriti perchè il Milan c'ha sempre del culo in Champions (e una rimonta come due anni fa non la subisce più) e poi perchè il Liverpool fa cagare, ma dall'altra sono un po' ottimista perchè Mosca col pendolino ha previsto che vince il Milan, quindi oltre al fatto che Mosca non ne becca una che sia una porta anche una sfiga della madonna ![]() Non vedo l'ora, mi piacerebbe sentire Civoli che al novantesimo grida "E' FINITA, E' FINITA, E' FINITA, E' FINITAAA...IL CIELO E' BIANCOROSSO, SOPRA ATENE!"
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su zanetti mi sa che ti sei perso i miei posto successivi ![]() su maicon anche io ho idee strane |
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la eli è italiana
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Seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ah bbbbbbbeello!!! Eliakwu!
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Città: LA CITTA' PLURI-CAMPIONE D'ITALIA!
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Sto guardando la7 con Buffon e per ciò che dice gigi,mi pare fin troppo chiaro che voglia andare via.Continua ad insistere sul numero di campioni andati via,e sulle probabilità,seppur comprando 2-3 giocatori buon,di poterli avere a disposizione per tutte le partite del campionato (indi per cui sta dando delle merde agli attuali titolari della juve
Il problema secondo me è che nessuno vuole spendere quelle cifre per un portiere.Guardate in UK,i loro portieri fanno cagare,tranne Cech (acquisto per poco cmq) così come in spagna. Da noi si da molta importanza ai portieri ma non a tal punto da spendere follie. La Juventus,giustamente,dal suo punto di viste,se deve cedere il portiere più forte della storia del calcio,pretende una cifra assurda e non mi sorprenderei se la juve non basasse il suo serio rafforamento (non quello dei soli soldi della ifil) sulla cessione di buffon per 60ML di euro.Ipoteticamente sarebbero altri 60 per il mercato,ed onestamente con quella cifra se sei furbo ti porti a casa 4-5 giocatori di medio alto livello,che ti permettono di sicuro di entrare in Champions. Mi pare palese che se la Juve trovasse qualcuno disposoto a spendere quella cirfra,si stenderebbero ai loro piedi. Il problema è che seppur l'italia sia terra dei portieri,solo Milan e Inter possono compiere un acquisto simile. I rinnovi a Julio Cesar e a Dida sono un forte segnale: o la Juve abbassa le pretese,oppure Buffon resta alla Juve e il profetto serie A viene notevolmente rimpicciolito. |
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se restasse alla juve e dovessero combattere per la zona uefa....sarebbe cmq un gran godere |
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Infatti,seppur considerandolo un vero maestro del calcio,non va comprato.Teniamoci il brasiliano che è bravo..
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magari usare matrix-samuel come centrali (anche se mooooooooolto lenti |
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) però c'ha i soldi, quindi la figa non gli manca di certo (vedi Cassano). Che stronzi i milionari. 









