[Thread Uff.] Aspettando INTEL Core i3/i5/i9 WESTMERE (Gulftown-Clarkdale-Arrandale)

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Originariamente inviato da Stefanox92

in ambiente desktop come vanno? e in oc?

In ambiente desktop vanno come le altre CPU. In OC vanno bene mediamente, però non è detto che una CPU desktop possa superarli.

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Originariamente inviato da persa

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Sandy Bridge 32nm is dual or quad

Not a six-core

Sandy Bridge, Intel's brand new 32nm architecture will focus on dual and quad-cores. At this point there are no plans to make six-core, but at some point we are sure that Intel will push Sandy even to quad core.

Sandy Bridge is supposed to be Intel's first monolithic graphics core, as graphics will be on the same die with the CPU. The sad part is that Intel will probably make the first Fusion before AMD.

Monolithic means that Intel should go for full integration of CPU, GPU and memory controller, and this all comes in a dual or quad-core. This is clearly the successor of Lynnfield, the quad 45nm Nehalem derivative, and 32nm Clarkdale / Arrandale dual-cores.

The server/workstation market still has to evolve from Nehalem EX to Westmere EX and Sandy bridge transition won’t start before Q1 2011, and even then we are talking about dual and quad core CPUs, not six and eight-cores.


Core i7 970 is a 3.2GHz six-core

Non-extreme six-core

Only yesterday we have reported that Intel plans to launch the Core i7 970, here, and we can confirm that the CPU is real and that this is yet another six core.


Core i7 970 is not an extreme version but this six core will run at 3.2GHz. Naturally it has 12 hyperthreading cores and its QPI delivers 6.4GB/s. With the help of Turbo overclocking this CPU will be able to reach the 3.46GHz mark and it supports 1066 DDR3 memory.

The TDP is 130W, the same as with the 3.33GHz clocked Core i7 980X. The Core i7 970 should launch in Q3 2010.

non comprendo.

scusate :

Fin ora la nuova nex-gen di fascia alta (vedi nehalem) partiva sempre da un numero di core ( 4 x nehalem) almeno uguale al numero di core (4 x peryn) della generazione precedente.

Quindi x logica Sandy Bridge di fascia alta ( senza grafica integrata) , dovrebbe avere almeno 6 core ( uguale almeno a westmere 6 core ) , di precedente generazione.

Ora xchè Sandy Bridge nex-gen di fascia lata , ripartirebbe da 4 core ???

Che fanno , nuova fascia alta e si va indietro con il numero di core ??




Non riesco a capire questa mossa di Intel!

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Originariamente inviato da Ratatosk

Nehalem è nato come quad core quando il numero massimo di core espressi dalla generazione precedente è stato 6 (Dunnington)

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ma io facevo il paragone con peryn della fascia alta ma DESKTOP !!!

quindi peryn desktop quad core e nehalem dektop fascia alta 4 core.

cosi sandy bridge desktop fascia alta 6 core come westmere fascia alta desktop 6 core.

non è cosi ?

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non è cosi ?

Era già uscita la notizia che non ci sarebbero stati esacore Sandy Bridge ma si sarebbe passati direttamente agli octacore.

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Originariamente inviato da gervi

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ma io facevo il paragone con peryn della fascia alta ma DESKTOP !!!

quindi peryn desktop quad core e nehalem dektop fascia alta 4 core.

cosi sandy bridge desktop fascia alta 6 core come westmere fascia alta desktop 6 core.

non è cosi ?

forse ti sfugge il fatto che sandy bridge quad core non sarà la fascia alta ma quella media.

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Hex and Quad Core Westmere for Desktop in 2010?

The last bits of information Intel revealed have to do with its high end desktop/workstation/server intentions with Westmere. The 6-core Westmere is a 240mm^2 chip made up of 1.17B transistors:

That’s six cores on a single die, but with 12MB of L3 cache. Remember that Nehalem/Lynnfield have 8MB and Clarkdale has 4MB. Nehalem’s chief architect, Ronak Singhal told me that he wanted to maintain at least 2MB of L3 per core on the die. A 6-core Westmere adheres to that policy.

The chip works in existing LGA-1366 sockets, so you still have three DDR3 memory channels. 6C Westmere does support both regular DDR3 (1.5V) as well as low voltage DDR3 (1.35V). This is particularly useful in servers where you’ve got a lot of memory present, power consumption should be noticeably lower.

The other big news is that Intel will be releasing 4-core variants of Westmere as well. Recently we’ve heard rumblings about a Core i7 970 on Intel’s roadmaps. I’m guessing this could be a 4-core/8-thread Westmere based part running at 3.2GHz for LGA-1366 sockets.

The table below shows you the beauty of 32nm. Smaller die, more transistors:
CPU Codename Manufacturing Process Cores Transistor Count Die Size
Westmere 6C Gulftown 32nm 6 1.17B 240mm2
Nehalem 4C Bloomfield 45nm 4 731M 263mm2
Nehalem 4C Lynnfield 45nm 4 774M 296mm2
Westmere 2C Clarkdale 32nm 2 384M 81mm2



It also shows that there's a definite need for Intel to build a quad-core 32nm chip. Die sizes nearing 300mm2 aren't very desirable. The question is whether we'll see quad-core 32nm in the performance mainstream in 2010 or if we'll have to wait for Sandy Bridge in 2011 for that. My guess is that we'll see a high end quad-core based on Westmere this year, but Lynnfield won't get a 32nm successor until next year.

We’ll find out soon enough.

http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3733

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di assurdo non leggo che sarà dual e quad core invece che six core, di assurdo leggo che sarà il successore di lynnfield... ma che ca**o sta facendo intel? prima si inventa sta minchiata del doppio socket, poi fa in modo che chi ha comprato una piattaforma 1366 si possa tagliare le palle, perchè gli unici vantaggi si hanno nei giochi usando da 2 schede video in poi, perchè per il resto i lynnfield vanno meglio... poi fanno 2 cpu 6 core, una extreme e una no, che probabilmente costeranno 1000€ e suppondo un 600€ la 970x... i quad core 1366 non ne vogliono sapere di passare a 32nm con frequenze decenti, bisogna tenersi il nuovo 930 da 2.8ghz... che già che c'erano potevano proprio levare dalle balle tutti i proci dal 950 in giù e passare il 950 al prezzo del 920...
poi adesso mi dicono che il ramo intrapreso era evidentemente una stupidata e che quindi sandy bridge andrà su piattaforme standard, quale era ed è lynnfield. però quasi sicuro con un'altro socket ancora, ma a logica con memory controller dual channel. così se mi voglio fare un upgrade mi manca/avanza pure un modulo di memoria...

ma che fanno alla intel???

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Originariamente inviato da persa

Hex and Quad Core Westmere for Desktop in 2010?

The last bits of information Intel revealed have to do with its high end desktop/workstation/server intentions with Westmere. The 6-core Westmere is a 240mm^2 chip made up of 1.17B transistors:

That’s six cores on a single die, but with 12MB of L3 cache. Remember that Nehalem/Lynnfield have 8MB and Clarkdale has 4MB. Nehalem’s chief architect, Ronak Singhal told me that he wanted to maintain at least 2MB of L3 per core on the die. A 6-core Westmere adheres to that policy.

The chip works in existing LGA-1366 sockets, so you still have three DDR3 memory channels. 6C Westmere does support both regular DDR3 (1.5V) as well as low voltage DDR3 (1.35V). This is particularly useful in servers where you’ve got a lot of memory present, power consumption should be noticeably lower.

The other big news is that Intel will be releasing 4-core variants of Westmere as well. Recently we’ve heard rumblings about a Core i7 970 on Intel’s roadmaps. I’m guessing this could be a 4-core/8-thread Westmere based part running at 3.2GHz for LGA-1366 sockets.

The table below shows you the beauty of 32nm. Smaller die, more transistors:
CPU Codename Manufacturing Process Cores Transistor Count Die Size
Westmere 6C Gulftown 32nm 6 1.17B 240mm2
Nehalem 4C Bloomfield 45nm 4 731M 263mm2
Nehalem 4C Lynnfield 45nm 4 774M 296mm2
Westmere 2C Clarkdale 32nm 2 384M 81mm2



It also shows that there's a definite need for Intel to build a quad-core 32nm chip. Die sizes nearing 300mm2 aren't very desirable. The question is whether we'll see quad-core 32nm in the performance mainstream in 2010 or if we'll have to wait for Sandy Bridge in 2011 for that. My guess is that we'll see a high end quad-core based on Westmere this year, but Lynnfield won't get a 32nm successor until next year.

We’ll find out soon enough.

http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3733

ma se poco sopra c'è scritto che il 970 sarà a 6 core... che casino!

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Originariamente inviato da persa

forse ti sfugge il fatto che sandy bridge quad core non sarà la fascia alta ma quella media.

in sintesi.

i primi del 2011 avremo sandy bridge desktop Fascia alta a 8 core ???

questa la mia domanda precisa.

Io sarò interessato agli 8 core , ovvero al TOP!

Ci saranno x desktop TOP all'uscita ?

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Originariamente inviato da gervi

in sintesi.

i primi del 2011 avremo sandy bridge desktop Fascia alta a 8 core ???

penso di no xchè dalle notizie uscite fino ad ora per i primi del 2011 dovrebbe uscire solo quello di fascia media.

ci sta che x la fascia alta andremo avanti a suon di westmere fin quasi alla fine del 2011...o forse fino a metà 2011

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Sandy Bridge to get 2X times faster graphics

Intel has informed some of its top account clients that its next generation CPU with integrated graphics will get much faster graphics. Intel quotes a twofold performance increase with the Sandy Bridge generation and probably it compares it with its existing architecture.

It will be nice if Intel makes its integrated graphics 2X faster than the current Intel HD graphics inside Arrandale and Clarkdale, as these 32nm CPUs with stitched 45nm graphics core can play Call of Duty WoW at 1024x764 at an acceptable frame rate.

Remember, with Sandy Bridge integrated graphics move onto the same die as the CPU and this will be Intel’s first 32nm graphics and probably world’s first 32nm graphics core. ATI and Nvidia plan to go to 28nm.

When it comes to multimedia Intel simply tells you to expect advanced media and graphics capabilities, and of course it should be at least slightly better than the current 45nm stitched IGP in Arrandale and Clarkdale.

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http://www.dinoxpc.com/News/news.asp...stiche+del+die

lo riporto solo come una conferma.

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http://www.dinoxpc.com/News/news.asp...stiche+del+die

lo riporto solo come una conferma.

dall'articolo
"Intel ha confermato che ci saranno anche delle varianti quad-core basate su architettura Westmere, ma non ha svelato ulteriori dettagli."

IMHO probabilmente faranno come AMD dai six più scadenti disattiveranno 2 core e il quad è servito

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Si vede che il processo produttivo a 32nm ha dato i frutti sperati e quindi rivedono tutte le roadmap (se le notizie sono vere).

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Fastest Sandy Bridge to replace i7 930


2.8GHz mainstream quad core

Intel's Core i7 930 is supposed to launch inQ1 2010 and this 2.8GHz quad-core should last all 2010 as the king of Intel’s MS3 fastest Mainstream category in the company's nomenclature.


This should change in early 2011 as Sandy Bridge is supposed to replace this product. It is way too early to hear about any concrete clock speeds but we can confirm it’s a quad-core with improved performance clock to clock with Nehalem generation.

Sandy Bridge will also be the first quad-core to get a monolithic CPU with graphics, as today you can only get integrated graphics with Clarkdale / Arrandale 32nm CPUs which feature a stitched 45nm graphics core. Sandy Bridge will also be the first monolithic dual core, with totally integrated graphics into same die as the CPU.



Gulftown i7 980X to last all 2010

Sandy Bridge not for six cores

Intel doesn’t have plans to introduce anything faster than the six-core Core i7 980X clocked 3.33GHz, at least not in 2010. This is the current plan that would only change if Intel feels challenged by AMD.

Since we know that this is highly unlikely, the soon to be introduced Gulftown-based 3.33GHz six-core i7 980X will be the fastest CPU throughout 2010. Only in early 2011, in Q1, Intel plans to replace this CPU with something better and faster.

The interesting part is that Sandy Bridge won't replace the six-core CPUs, but we expect a six or more core CPU to take its place, of course in 32nm.

Sandy Bridge, like any Intel generation since 2006, is designed with the mobile segment in mind and these CPUs don’t even need quad cores. The market is happy with two cores as we don’t see much sense in quads for mobile computing.


Intel 6 series chipset to come in Q1 2011

With Westmere CPUs

Intel's next generation chipset simply codenamed Intel 6 series Express chipset should launch in Q1 2011. This chipset will be necessary for Sandy Bridge generation of 32nm processor and it will finally get SATA 6GB/s in Intel chipsets.


Since CPU has a memory controller, display and some audio features integrated, there is not much for Intel to do in Northbridge, but we still don’t know if Intel 6 series can make it in one chip, we still expect two chips.

The codename of the chipset is Cougar Point and we can only hope that USB 3.0 support is also there.

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Socket 775 holds 77 percent share

Socket 1366 only one percent

Intel has been shipping Core "i" CPUs for more than a year now, but the good old LGA 775 processors still account for 77 percent of sales. This tells a story of its own, as LGA 775 keeps going strong and it will continue to hold almost 50 percent at the end of the year. These are the results of Intel's predictions for Q1 2010 sales.


Socket LGA 1156, the new Lynnfield and Clarksfield socket, is responsible for 18 percent of all Intel shipments and its market share is supposed to grown to 44 percent in Q4 2010.

Third most popular socket is the Atom one, that makes up some 5 percent of all Intel CPUs in Q1 and by Q4 2010 it should grow to 7 percent.

The least popular socket is LGA 1366, the one that takes care of Nehalem generation of old Core i7 and soon to launch six-core Core i7. Its share won’t grow and this tells you that only one percent of all processors sold by Intel end up in the hands of enthusiasts who like super high end products.

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Fastest Sandy Bridge to replace i7 930


2.8GHz mainstream quad core

Intel's Core i7 930 is supposed to launch inQ1 2010 and this 2.8GHz quad-core should last all 2010 as the king of Intel’s MS3 fastest Mainstream category in the company's nomenclature.


This should change in early 2011 as Sandy Bridge is supposed to replace this product. It is way too early to hear about any concrete clock speeds but we can confirm it’s a quad-core with improved performance clock to clock with Nehalem generation.

Sandy Bridge will also be the first quad-core to get a monolithic CPU with graphics, as today you can only get integrated graphics with Clarkdale / Arrandale 32nm CPUs which feature a stitched 45nm graphics core. Sandy Bridge will also be the first monolithic dual core, with totally integrated graphics into same die as the CPU.



Gulftown i7 980X to last all 2010

Sandy Bridge not for six cores

Intel doesn’t have plans to introduce anything faster than the six-core Core i7 980X clocked 3.33GHz, at least not in 2010. This is the current plan that would only change if Intel feels challenged by AMD.

Since we know that this is highly unlikely, the soon to be introduced Gulftown-based 3.33GHz six-core i7 980X will be the fastest CPU throughout 2010. Only in early 2011, in Q1, Intel plans to replace this CPU with something better and faster.

The interesting part is that Sandy Bridge won't replace the six-core CPUs, but we expect a six or more core CPU to take its place, of course in 32nm.

Sandy Bridge, like any Intel generation since 2006, is designed with the mobile segment in mind and these CPUs don’t even need quad cores. The market is happy with two cores as we don’t see much sense in quads for mobile computing.


Intel 6 series chipset to come in Q1 2011

With Westmere CPUs

Intel's next generation chipset simply codenamed Intel 6 series Express chipset should launch in Q1 2011. This chipset will be necessary for Sandy Bridge generation of 32nm processor and it will finally get SATA 6GB/s in Intel chipsets.


Since CPU has a memory controller, display and some audio features integrated, there is not much for Intel to do in Northbridge, but we still don’t know if Intel 6 series can make it in one chip, we still expect two chips.

The codename of the chipset is Cougar Point and we can only hope that USB 3.0 support is also there.

ma con sandy cambiano socket o no??? cosa fanno, l'opposto di nehalem? prima la fascia mainstream e poi la fascia alta?? o ritornano finalmente al socket unico? però se fanno 1 solo socket dovrebbero mettere il triple channel ram ormai...

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Fastest Sandy Bridge to replace i7 930

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Intel 6 series chipset to come in Q1 2011

With Westmere CPUs

Intel's next generation chipset simply codenamed Intel 6 series Express chipset should launch in Q1 2011. This chipset will be necessary for Sandy Bridge generation of 32nm processor and it will finally get SATA 6GB/s in Intel chipsets.


Since CPU has a memory controller, display and some audio features integrated, there is not much for Intel to do in Northbridge, but we still don’t know if Intel 6 series can make it in one chip, we still expect two chips.

The codename of the chipset is Cougar Point and we can only hope that USB 3.0 support is also there.

Questo significa che x68 è rimandato al prossimo anno? Spero proprio di no.

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Originariamente inviato da rollo82

ma con sandy cambiano socket o no??? cosa fanno, l'opposto di nehalem? prima la fascia mainstream e poi la fascia alta?? o ritornano finalmente al socket unico? però se fanno 1 solo socket dovrebbero mettere il triple channel ram ormai...

guarda mi limito a riportare qualche news ma non mi sbilancio sul/sui socket che utilizzerà sandy bridge. ne ho lette troppe su questo argomento, 3000pin,1155, 1167,2011,2012, 1366-156 aggiornati ecc

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Socket R (LGA-2011) per le CPU high-end basate su Sandy Bridge
“Il Socket LGA a 2011 pin sarà utilizzato sui processori Sandy Bidge di fascia alta attesi per il prossimo anno”

Intel ha rilasciato ai vari produttori di schede madri le nuove specifiche VRM (Voltage Regulator Module) per realizzare le power test boards (prototipi di mainboards) compatibili con i processori di prossima generazione Sandy Bridge. Questi processori saranno costruiti con tecnologia a 32 nanometri ed utilizzeranno un´architettura nuova rispetta a quella delle CPUs Nehalem/Westmere. Il debutto è previsto durante il prossimo anno.

La versione high-end di Sandy Bridge utilizzerà il Socket R (indicato anche come socket LGA-2011) mentre la versione mainstream adotterà il socket LGA-1155. Intel abbandonerà i socket LGA-1366 (high-end) e 1156 (mainstream) per via della nuova architettura che richiede nel primo caso un numero maggiore di pin di connessione per la gestire di tensioni differenti e nel secondo una revisione per alimentare la nuova GPU integrata a 32nm.

La "buona" notizia è che i nuovi socket manterranno la foratura e la compatibilità con gli attuali dissipatori. Intel infatti ha previsto che il sistema di montaggio del socket LGA-2011 sia uguale al socket LGA-1366, nonostante il diverso ingombro.





a raga vi consiglio di non stare a buttarci tanti soldi tra le prossime cpu westmere e mobo ultra costose tipo UD7 varie.