Israele vieta l'ingresso a Noam Chomsky

[letsmakealist]

interessante punto di vista, sulla (virgolettatissima)"unica democrazia del Medio Oriente"

Rebranding Israel as a state headed for fascism

SHEIKH JARRAH, East Jerusalem - No one knows fascism better than Israelis. They are schooled, drilled in the history, the mechanics, the horrendous potential of fascist regimes. Israelis know fascism when they see it. In others.

They might well have expected when fascism began taking root here, it would arise at a time of a national leadership of galvanizing charisma and sweeping, powerfully orchestrated modes of action.

But that would have been much too obvious to deny. And it would take denial, inertia, selective memory, a sense that things – bad as they are - can go on like this indefinitely, for fascism to be able gain its foothold in a country founded in its very blood trail.

In fact, it has taken the most dysfunctional, the most rudderless government Israel has ever known, to make moderates uncomfortably aware of the countless but largely cosmetized ways in which the right in Israel and its supporters abroad have come to plant and nurture the seeds of fascism.

Wrote Boaz Okun, the mass-circulation Yedioth Ahronot's legal affairs commentator and a retired Israeli judge, of Israel's ban on Noam Chomsky: "The decision to shut up Professor Chomsky is a decision to shut down freedom in the state of Israel.

"I'm not speaking of the stupidity of supplying ammunition to those who claim that Israel is fascist," Okun wrote, "rather, of our fear that we may actually be turning that way."

At the weekend, Israeli police riot troops waded into a thoroughly non-violent sit-in near the entrance to this East Jerusalem settlement zone, where Palestinian residents were expelled by Israeli court order, to allow their homes to be taken over by Jews.

What was curious here was not the neck-wrenching brutality of the Yasam riot police in their gunmetal gray uniforms, bristling with assault rifles, clubs, tear gas and helmets, arrayed against the demonstrators, most of of them Israeli Jews, some of them well past retirement age.

What was surprising was not the fact that several burly officers, seeing a young Reshet Bet (Israel State Radio news) reporter - his microphone clearly and unmistakably marked, interview one of the seated demonstrators - jump him and drag him away in a headlock to a police custody van.

In the end, what was peculiar was that the police seemed so entirely bewildered, so completely lacking in clear orders, left on their own to decide how to proceed in an arena of hair-trigger sensitivity. Fascism with a confused face.

Why should we be concerned by any of this? Perhaps because we have made our peace with a number of factors that can turn a society toward fascism as a solution.

1. Losing a War.

We've lost two in the space of less than three years. Our targets, Hezbollah and Hamas, are better armed and entrenched than ever. Our strategic and diplomatic standing is in decline. Iran and Syria are ascendant. And there is abundant reason to suspect that the Gaza War, a major factor in the loss of our international standing, may have been altogether avoidable, the huge civilian death toll indefensible and unconscionable. This has, in turn, led to

2. International quarantine, a sense of being scapegoated, and a search for an internal fifth column.

3. A radical redefinition of positive values.

Look no further than the name of Jerusalem's obscene Museum of Tolerance project.

4. Olfactory fatigue

We have grown desensitized to the consequences of actively denying basic staples and construction supplies to 1.5 million people in Gaza, many of them still waiting to rebuild homes we destroyed.

We have grown inured to the appropriation of Palestinian-owned West Bank land, to abusive treatment of law-abiding Palestinians at checkpoints, to the ill-treatment and summary expulsion of foreign workers, to racist, anti-democratic and, yes, fascistic rulings by extreme rightist rabbis, especially some of those holding official positions in the West Bank.

5. Fascism by rubber stamp.

"There are a million reasons why someone would be denied entry into Israel,” Interior Ministry spokeswoman Sabine Hadad said Monday, when asked about the ministry’s border policies in the wake of the Chomsky ban.


“There may be a million reasons, but try to find a single criterion for entry refusal and you’ll hit a blank wall,” said Association for Civil Rights in Israel attorney Oded Feller. "The Interior Ministry simply doesn’t publish them, despite a court ruling that ordered them to do so.”

6. The sense that despite everything, all is well.

There will be those who argue that the fact that I, or my Haaretz colleagues, are allowed to publish what we do, is proof that there is no fascism here, nor evidence of a police state.

The fact is that were we not Israeli Jews, and part of an establishment institution, any of us could find ourselves tossed out on the same pavement, and with the same lack of due process and due explanation, as Noam Chomsky.

7. The sense that there is a war on now, when there isn't.

8. Selective enforcement of court rulings. Routine defiance of same, in particular by radical settlers

9. The 180-degree untruth that officials allow Israeli and Jerusalem Arabs to do what they want, while cracking down on their Jewish neighbors.

10. Equating criticism of the government with favoring the destruction of Israel.

This has become increasingly felt beyond Israel's borders. In San Francisco, the canary in the coal mine of free discourse within the Jewish community, the Jewish Federation [JCF] recently revised and tightened the terms under which it agrees to grant funds to organizations.

"The JCF does not fund organizations that through their mission, activities or partnerships … advocate for, or endorse, undermining the legitimacy of Israel as a secure independent, democratic Jewish state, including through participation in the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement, in whole or in part."

The guidelines go on to state that "Presentations by organizations or individuals that are critical of particular Israeli government policies but are supportive of Israel’s right to exist as a secure independent Jewish democratic state" are "generally in accord with the policy statement," but "early JCRC [Jewish Community Relations Council] consultation is strongly encouraged and the programming should be presented within an overall program strategy that is consistent with JCF’s core values."

Can all this have spread this far, this fast? Because of Israel, have Bay Area Jews who do not believe in a specifically Jewish state, now forfeited their right to be part of the Jewish community? Have Jews who love Israel but are seen as too critical, or who support a boycott to make their criticisms manifest, been effectively excommunicated?

It's a free country, I guess.

http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/special...scism-1.290977

che poi se davvero Chomsky era persona non gradita gli si poteva mandare il Mossad a fargli la festa, secondo il modus operandi tipico del democraticissimo Israele.

[zerothehero]

Originariamente inviato da letsmakealist

interessante punto di vista, sulla (virgolettatissima)"unica democrazia del Medio Oriente"



http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/special...scism-1.290977

che poi se davvero Chomsky era persona non gradita gli si poteva mandare il Mossad a fargli la festa, secondo il modus operandi tipico del democraticissimo Israele.

Ma che articolo del cavolo. Fa ridere
Ad averceli in Italia gli omini del mossad.

[Gio22]

le dichiarazioni di chomsky avevano una fonte (riportata),e non è l'unica.
altro che balle...capisco possa bruciare che il beniamino della sx radicale o dei comunisti sia un fiancheggiatore di dittatori della peggior specie come amadhi o chavez.

[ennys]

Originariamente inviato da jeff_92

Visto il titolo della discussione, che perdiamo tempo a fare a far ragionare uno che ha nella firma messaggi pro-israele?
Io non perderei neanche tempo a farlo.

Cacchio... avere-in-firma "MESSAGGI PRO ISRAELE"


E che é ?

Peccato mortale ?

Reato penale ?

[pistacchio89]

Originariamente inviato da Gio22

le dichiarazioni di chomsky avevano una fonte (riportata),e non è l'unica.
altro che balle...capisco possa bruciare che il beniamino della sx radicale o dei comunisti sia un fiancheggiatore di dittatori della peggior specie come amadhi o chavez.

Quelle sono le interpretazioni di Chomsky fatte da tale A.G. di voceditalia.it
Sul Venezuela, in occasione del suo incontro col presidente Chávez, Chomsky ha dichiarato:

"I write about peace and criticize the barriers to peace; that's easy. What's harder is to create a better world... and what's so exciting about at last visiting Venezuela is that I can see how a better world is being created."

http://www.rabble.ca/news/2009/08/no...-being-created

Non mi sembra che ci sia nulla di scandaloso e non mi risulta che in Venezuela ci sia una dittatura, anzi, l'attuale presidente eletto democraticamente è stato vittima di un colpo di stato.

Le parole "dolci" verso Hamas invece sarebbero queste:

Hamas cannot recognize Israel any more than Kadima can recognize Palestine, or than the Democratic Party in the US can recognize England. One could ask whether a government led by Hamas should recognize Israel, or whether a government led by Kadima or the Democratic Party should recognize Palestine. So far they have all refused to do so, though Hamas has at least called for a two-state settlement in accord with the long-standing international consensus, while Kadima and the Democratic Party refuse to go that far, keeping to the rejectionist stance that the US and Israel have maintained for over 30 years in international isolation.(...)

I wrote decades ago that those who call themselves "supporters of Israel" are in reality supporters of its moral degeneration and probable ultimate destruction. I have also believed for many years that Israel's very clear choice of expansion over security, ever since it turned down SadatÕs offer of a full peace treaty in 1971, may well lead to that consequence.

http://www.chomsky.info/interviews/20080606.htm

Non è che gridi «Viva Hamas!» e «Morte a Israele!», semplicemente riporta dei fatti e fa delle considerazioni sulle possibili conseguenze della politica israeliana.

Originariamente inviato da jeff_92

Visto il titolo della discussione, che perdiamo tempo a fare a far ragionare uno che ha nella firma messaggi pro-israele?
Io non perderei neanche tempo a farlo.

Quando scrivi ti su un forum pubblico ti rivolgi a tutti i potenziali lettori, non solo alla persona a cui rispondi.

[Jarni]

Originariamente inviato da Gio22

I concetti espressi da chomsky lo squalificano da solo,poi può pure essere un mostro sacro della lettaratura...

E sticazzi.
Non ha compiuto nessun reato, esprime solo una sua opinione.

NEI PAESI CIVILI LE OPINIONI VANNO RISPETTATE E NON VENGONO RITENUTE COLPE.

[Maxmel]

Originariamente inviato da zerothehero

None..c'è troppa imprecisione in qVesto fovum. La sovranità c'è...solo che è "non legale". D'altronde siamo in medioriente, mica in un'aula di tribunale.

ahahah la nozione di sovranità non legale mi mancava menomale che ci sei tu preciso in questo forum ahahaha

[X360X]

Chomsky non è mica Adolf Ahmadinejad, israele ha sbagliato e basta, poi può essere pure uno che spara solo stronzate, ma ha diritto di farlo.