Ness
07-07-2005, 12:46
And the winner is Samsung 193p plus.
Dopo tanti "si dice", "si mormora" un utente su Hardforum gli ha provati entrambi in "clone mode" con una buona recensione e il suo verdetto finale è stato la vittoria del nuovo Samsung 193p plus.
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=923489
A comparison: 193P Plus vs VP191b
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I bought a Samsung 193P Plus (8 ms GtG) two weeks ago. I wasn’t satisfied with it as I noticed ghosting when gaming. I had 14 days to get a refund if I choose to. After the two weeks I decided that I would bring it back and buy a VP191b instead since there are so much good reviews about it. So, the same day that I was supposed to bring back my 193 P Plus I bought a VP191b. Before getting rid of the 193P Plus I thought that I could compare it with the VP191b. To do the comparison I put one monitor in clone mode. I tested both with DVI and analogue. The games I tried are: GTA SA, BF2 (demo) and SW commandos. I also run the flag test and the car test from the little programs called pixeleted-something (I don’t remember the name correctly). While comparing both, my wife stood next to me so I could have a second opinion. Here is what we noticed:
Color: 193P Plus > VP191b
The color are more “alive”, more vibrant with the 193P Plus. The black is black on the 193P Plus and it is grey on the VP191b. There was so much difference between the two in terms of colors that I almost stop testing at that point since the 193P Plus was so much better that I was already convince that I wouldn’t return it.
Response Time 193P Plus = VP191b
I didn’t notice any difference at all. Like I said previously, I can see ghosting on the 193P Plus and I noticed it too on the VP191b. It seems I’m one of those that can see ghosting even with the fast LCD By the way, my wife didn’t see any ghosting on either of the screens; that agrees with the fact that most people doesn’t see ghosting with the VP191b.
Car test and Flag test 193P Plus = VP191b
Looking at the cars going from right to left there was no difference whatsoever between the two. Same thing with the Flag Test, they looked the same on both.
Backlight 193P Plus > VP191b
Not sure if backlight is the right tern here… Anyway, on the VP191b I noticed that the corners where a bit lighter when there was a lot of dark colors or black on the screen. I didn’t notice any of this with the 193P Plus.
Non-native resolution 193P Plus > VP191b
Not much to say, it looks good on both but it is slightly better on the 193P Plus.
Design 193P Plus > VP191b
This is not something that I really care about usually but the gap is so big between the two that it hits you in the face. The 193P Plus is so much better. The stand of the 193P Plus looks to be much more stronger than the VP191b. You can rotate the 193 P Plus 180° while the VP191b is only 90°. You can flip the 193P Plus from facing you to facing the ceiling and even more (so you can fix it on a wall if you want). The VP191b can only tilt a bit. I’m 6’4’’ and I need to tilt the screen upward a lot so my vision is looking 90° of the surface of the screen. I wasn’t able to do so with the VP191b. The only better thing on the VP191b is that the stand can go higher making the screen go higher, a bit. Anyway, I still need to put something under the screen so it is at the right height.
The plug’s entry on the 193P Plus are at 90° of the panel, making it easy to tighten the screw of the cables. On the VP191b, the entries are parallel to the panel and very close to it, making it very, very difficult to tighten.
Visually, the 193P Plus looks better IMO. The offset between the border and the screen are almost inexistent while it is ¼’’ on the VP191b. The 193P Plus looks way more stylish too.
Conclusion: 193P Plus > VP191b
This is a no brainer for me here, I’m keeping my 193 P Plus. I was lucky when I took back the VP191b to the shop as they didn’t notice that I opened the box. Otherwise I would only have been refund 85%, which I would have paid (15%) since I wouldn’t want to keep the VP191b. If you are only looking for a gaming LCD and really don’t mind about colors, blackness, design and backlight then got for the VP191b as it have the same speed while gaming then the 193P Plus. But, there is only 80$ (can) difference before the taxes between the two. You might want to put that 80 and get the 193P Plus instead though. The colors alone are worth it.
I hope this help some people to make a choice for their next LCD.
Dopo tanti "si dice", "si mormora" un utente su Hardforum gli ha provati entrambi in "clone mode" con una buona recensione e il suo verdetto finale è stato la vittoria del nuovo Samsung 193p plus.
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=923489
A comparison: 193P Plus vs VP191b
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I bought a Samsung 193P Plus (8 ms GtG) two weeks ago. I wasn’t satisfied with it as I noticed ghosting when gaming. I had 14 days to get a refund if I choose to. After the two weeks I decided that I would bring it back and buy a VP191b instead since there are so much good reviews about it. So, the same day that I was supposed to bring back my 193 P Plus I bought a VP191b. Before getting rid of the 193P Plus I thought that I could compare it with the VP191b. To do the comparison I put one monitor in clone mode. I tested both with DVI and analogue. The games I tried are: GTA SA, BF2 (demo) and SW commandos. I also run the flag test and the car test from the little programs called pixeleted-something (I don’t remember the name correctly). While comparing both, my wife stood next to me so I could have a second opinion. Here is what we noticed:
Color: 193P Plus > VP191b
The color are more “alive”, more vibrant with the 193P Plus. The black is black on the 193P Plus and it is grey on the VP191b. There was so much difference between the two in terms of colors that I almost stop testing at that point since the 193P Plus was so much better that I was already convince that I wouldn’t return it.
Response Time 193P Plus = VP191b
I didn’t notice any difference at all. Like I said previously, I can see ghosting on the 193P Plus and I noticed it too on the VP191b. It seems I’m one of those that can see ghosting even with the fast LCD By the way, my wife didn’t see any ghosting on either of the screens; that agrees with the fact that most people doesn’t see ghosting with the VP191b.
Car test and Flag test 193P Plus = VP191b
Looking at the cars going from right to left there was no difference whatsoever between the two. Same thing with the Flag Test, they looked the same on both.
Backlight 193P Plus > VP191b
Not sure if backlight is the right tern here… Anyway, on the VP191b I noticed that the corners where a bit lighter when there was a lot of dark colors or black on the screen. I didn’t notice any of this with the 193P Plus.
Non-native resolution 193P Plus > VP191b
Not much to say, it looks good on both but it is slightly better on the 193P Plus.
Design 193P Plus > VP191b
This is not something that I really care about usually but the gap is so big between the two that it hits you in the face. The 193P Plus is so much better. The stand of the 193P Plus looks to be much more stronger than the VP191b. You can rotate the 193 P Plus 180° while the VP191b is only 90°. You can flip the 193P Plus from facing you to facing the ceiling and even more (so you can fix it on a wall if you want). The VP191b can only tilt a bit. I’m 6’4’’ and I need to tilt the screen upward a lot so my vision is looking 90° of the surface of the screen. I wasn’t able to do so with the VP191b. The only better thing on the VP191b is that the stand can go higher making the screen go higher, a bit. Anyway, I still need to put something under the screen so it is at the right height.
The plug’s entry on the 193P Plus are at 90° of the panel, making it easy to tighten the screw of the cables. On the VP191b, the entries are parallel to the panel and very close to it, making it very, very difficult to tighten.
Visually, the 193P Plus looks better IMO. The offset between the border and the screen are almost inexistent while it is ¼’’ on the VP191b. The 193P Plus looks way more stylish too.
Conclusion: 193P Plus > VP191b
This is a no brainer for me here, I’m keeping my 193 P Plus. I was lucky when I took back the VP191b to the shop as they didn’t notice that I opened the box. Otherwise I would only have been refund 85%, which I would have paid (15%) since I wouldn’t want to keep the VP191b. If you are only looking for a gaming LCD and really don’t mind about colors, blackness, design and backlight then got for the VP191b as it have the same speed while gaming then the 193P Plus. But, there is only 80$ (can) difference before the taxes between the two. You might want to put that 80 and get the 193P Plus instead though. The colors alone are worth it.
I hope this help some people to make a choice for their next LCD.