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lamalta
23-03-2005, 18:35
Ciao a tutti.
E' da un po' che il suono non mi va più.
Con alsaconf sembra andare tutto a buon fine, ma poi alsamixer mi dice che non trova nessuna scheda sonora.
Yast invece mi dice che trova la scheda ma non riesce ad installarla per problemi a irq o altro.
Che posso fare?
Ho provato a disinstallarli, reinstallarli ed aggiornarli ma niente.

Suse 9.2
Kde 3.4
Scheda audio integrata nel via 8237

Grazie
lamalta
24-03-2005, 13:00
Può essere questa la causa del mio problema?
dal boot.log

No module symbols loaded - kernel modules not enabled
lamalta
25-03-2005, 12:30
:confused:
idt_winchip
25-03-2005, 13:01
strano io ho il tuo chip e la scheda funziona!
se utilizzi alsaconf invece di yast devi caricare il modulo della scheda audio nel kernel (editi da root /etc/modules e ci aggiungi il nome del modulo che ti ha detto alsaconf di caricare).
Strano però perchè dopo avver avviato alsaconf in genere finchè non riavvii dovrebbe funzionare.
Cmq nel caso alsamixer ti rileva la scheda e non senti nulla alza le ultime 4 al massimo (mi sembra si chiamino VIA DXS o giu di lì...ho cambiato scheda audio!:D )

su:
No module symbols loaded - kernel modules not enabled
sinceramente non so che dirti...se non puoi caricare moduli credo che avresti altri problemi oltre alla scheda audio!
lamalta
26-03-2005, 08:47
Anche a me la scheda ha sempre funzionato (a parte l'audio digitale che va a scatti).
Poi ho aggiornato kernel compilato tornato al kernel vecchio ed ora non va più...
proprio yast non riesce ad installarla, alsaconf dice di averla installata ma poi yast dice che è inattiva.
proverò a fare come dici tu
lamalta
31-03-2005, 13:02
Mi riuppo visto che non sono riuscito a risolvere il sistema
Mi sono pure scaricato gli alsa, compilati.
Quando però do modprobe ottengo questo:

modprobe snd-via82xx;modprobe snd-pcm-oss;modprobe snd-mixer-oss;modprobe snd-seq-oss
WARNING: Error inserting snd_mixer_oss (/lib/modules/2.6.8-24.10-default/kernel/sound/acore/oss/snd-mixer-oss.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
FATAL: Error inserting snd_pcm_oss (/lib/modules/2.6.8-24.10-default/kernel/sound/acore/oss/snd-pcm-oss.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
FATAL: Error inserting snd_mixer_oss (/lib/modules/2.6.8-24.10-default/kernel/sound/acore/oss/snd-mixer-oss.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
WARNING: Error inserting snd_seq (/lib/modules/2.6.8-24.10-default/kernel/sound/acore/seq/snd-seq.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
WARNING: Error inserting snd_seq_midi_event (/lib/modules/2.6.8-24.10-default/kernel/sound/acore/seq/snd-seq-midi-event.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
FATAL: Error inserting snd_seq_oss (/lib/modules/2.6.8-24.10-default/kernel/sound/acore/seq/oss/snd-seq-oss.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)


dmesg

module snd_mixer_oss unsupported by SUSE/Novell, tainting kernel.
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_info_register
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_info_register
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_info_free_entry
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_info_free_entry
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_unregister_oss_device
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_unregister_oss_device
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_ctl_find_id
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_ctl_find_id
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_register_oss_device
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_register_oss_device
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_card_file_add
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_card_file_add
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_mixer_oss_notify_callback
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_mixer_oss_notify_callback
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_cards
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_cards
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_ctl_notify
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_ctl_notify
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_info_create_card_entry
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_info_create_card_entry
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_card_file_remove
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_card_file_remove
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_info_unregister
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_info_unregister
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_ctl_find_numid
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_ctl_find_numid
module snd_mixer_oss unsupported by SUSE/Novell, tainting kernel.
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_info_register
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_info_register
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_info_free_entry
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_info_free_entry
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_unregister_oss_device
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_unregister_oss_device
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_ctl_find_id
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_ctl_find_id
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_register_oss_device
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_register_oss_device
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_card_file_add
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_card_file_add
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_mixer_oss_notify_callback
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_mixer_oss_notify_callback
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_cards
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_cards
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_ctl_notify
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_ctl_notify
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_info_create_card_entry
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_info_create_card_entry
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_card_file_remove
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_card_file_remove
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_info_unregister
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_info_unregister
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_ctl_find_numid
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_ctl_find_numid
SFW2-INext-DROP-DEFLT-INV IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:11:d8:1b:ff:e6:00:09:7b:cb:b4:38:08:00 SRC=207.126.111.208 DST=37.255.49.50 LEN=64 TOS=0x08 PREC=0x00 TTL=46 ID=39700 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=80 DPT=1078 WINDOW=24616 RES=0x00 ACK URGP=0 OPT (0101080A29067694001DF1DA0101050A93C4691593C46B64)
module snd_mixer_oss unsupported by SUSE/Novell, tainting kernel.
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_info_register
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_info_register
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_info_free_entry
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_info_free_entry
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_unregister_oss_device
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_unregister_oss_device
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_ctl_find_id
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_ctl_find_id
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_register_oss_device
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_register_oss_device
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_card_file_add
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_card_file_add
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_mixer_oss_notify_callback
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_mixer_oss_notify_callback
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_cards
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_cards
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_ctl_notify
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_ctl_notify
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_info_create_card_entry
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_info_create_card_entry
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_card_file_remove
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_card_file_remove
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_info_unregister
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_info_unregister
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_ctl_find_numid
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_ctl_find_numid
module snd_mixer_oss unsupported by SUSE/Novell, tainting kernel.
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_info_register
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_info_register
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_info_free_entry
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_info_free_entry
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_unregister_oss_device
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_unregister_oss_device
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_ctl_find_id
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_ctl_find_id
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_register_oss_device
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_register_oss_device
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_card_file_add
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_card_file_add
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_mixer_oss_notify_callback
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_mixer_oss_notify_callback
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_cards
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_cards
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_ctl_notify
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_ctl_notify
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_info_create_card_entry
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_info_create_card_entry
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_card_file_remove
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_card_file_remove
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_info_unregister
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_info_unregister
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_ctl_find_numid
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_ctl_find_numid
cdrom: open failed.
inserting floppy driver for 2.6.8-24.10-default
Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M
FDC 0 is a post-1991 82077
cdrom: open failed.
subfs: unsuccessful attempt to mount media (256)
end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0
end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0
end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0
subfs: unsuccessful attempt to mount media (256)
ISO 9660 Extensions: Microsoft Joliet Level 1
ISOFS: changing to secondary root
st: Version 20040403, fixed bufsize 32768, s/g segs 256
Attached scsi generic sg0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0, type 0
Attached scsi generic sg1 at scsi1, channel 0, id 0, lun 0, type 0
ISO 9660 Extensions: Microsoft Joliet Level 1
ISOFS: changing to secondary root
JBD: barrier-based sync failed on sdb5 - disabling barriers
ISO 9660 Extensions: Microsoft Joliet Level 3
ISO 9660 Extensions: RRIP_1991A
UDF-fs: No VRS found
ISO 9660 Extensions: Microsoft Joliet Level 1
ISOFS: changing to secondary root
UDF-fs: No VRS found
ISO 9660 Extensions: Microsoft Joliet Level 3
ISO 9660 Extensions: RRIP_1991A
module snd_mixer_oss unsupported by SUSE/Novell, tainting kernel.
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_info_register
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_info_register
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_info_free_entry
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_info_free_entry
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_unregister_oss_device
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_unregister_oss_device
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_ctl_find_id
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_ctl_find_id
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_register_oss_device
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_register_oss_device
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_card_file_add
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_card_file_add
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_mixer_oss_notify_callback
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_mixer_oss_notify_callback
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_cards
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_cards
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_ctl_notify
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_ctl_notify
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_info_create_card_entry
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_info_create_card_entry
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_card_file_remove
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_card_file_remove
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_info_unregister
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_info_unregister
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_ctl_find_numid
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_ctl_find_numid
module snd_pcm_oss unsupported by SUSE/Novell, tainting kernel.
snd_pcm_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_pcm_lib_read
snd_pcm_oss: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_lib_read
snd_pcm_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_info_register
snd_pcm_oss: Unknown symbol snd_info_register
snd_pcm_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_pcm_hw_constraints_init
snd_pcm_oss: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_hw_constraints_init
snd_pcm_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_pcm_hw_param_near
snd_pcm_oss: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_hw_param_near
snd_pcm_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_pcm_kernel_ioctl
snd_pcm_oss: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_kernel_ioctl
snd_pcm_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_pcm_stop
snd_pcm_oss: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_stop
snd_pcm_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_info_free_entry
snd_pcm_oss: Unknown symbol snd_info_free_entry
snd_pcm_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_unregister_oss_device
snd_pcm_oss: Unknown symbol snd_unregister_oss_device
snd_pcm_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_pcm_hw_param_set
snd_pcm_oss: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_hw_param_set
snd_pcm_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_pcm_open_substream
snd_pcm_oss: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_open_substream
snd_pcm_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_register_oss_device
snd_pcm_oss: Unknown symbol snd_register_oss_device
snd_pcm_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_pcm_lib_readv
snd_pcm_oss: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_lib_readv
snd_pcm_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_card_file_add
snd_pcm_oss: Unknown symbol snd_card_file_add
snd_pcm_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_pcm_kernel_capture_ioctl
snd_pcm_oss: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_kernel_capture_ioctl
snd_pcm_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_pcm_lib_writev
snd_pcm_oss: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_lib_writev
snd_pcm_oss: Unknown symbol snd_mixer_oss_ioctl_card
snd_pcm_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_pcm_mmap_data
snd_pcm_oss: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_mmap_data
snd_pcm_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_pcm_devices
snd_pcm_oss: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_devices
snd_pcm_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_pcm_hw_param_mask
snd_pcm_oss: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_hw_param_mask
snd_pcm_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_pcm_hw_constraints_complete
snd_pcm_oss: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_hw_constraints_complete
snd_pcm_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_pcm_hw_refine
snd_pcm_oss: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_hw_refine
snd_pcm_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_pcm_kernel_playback_ioctl
snd_pcm_oss: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_kernel_playback_ioctl
snd_pcm_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_info_create_card_entry
snd_pcm_oss: Unknown symbol snd_info_create_card_entry
snd_pcm_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_pcm_notify
snd_pcm_oss: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_notify
snd_pcm_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_pcm_release_substream
snd_pcm_oss: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_release_substream
snd_pcm_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_pcm_lib_write
snd_pcm_oss: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_lib_write
snd_pcm_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_card_file_remove
snd_pcm_oss: Unknown symbol snd_card_file_remove
snd_pcm_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_info_unregister
snd_pcm_oss: Unknown symbol snd_info_unregister
module snd_mixer_oss unsupported by SUSE/Novell, tainting kernel.
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_info_register
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_info_register
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_info_free_entry
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_info_free_entry
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_unregister_oss_device
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_unregister_oss_device
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_ctl_find_id
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_ctl_find_id
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_register_oss_device
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_register_oss_device
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_card_file_add
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_card_file_add
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_mixer_oss_notify_callback
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_mixer_oss_notify_callback
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_cards
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_cards
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_ctl_notify
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_ctl_notify
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_info_create_card_entry
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_info_create_card_entry
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_card_file_remove
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_card_file_remove
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_info_unregister
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_info_unregister
snd_mixer_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_ctl_find_numid
snd_mixer_oss: Unknown symbol snd_ctl_find_numid
module snd_seq unsupported by SUSE/Novell, tainting kernel.
snd_seq: disagrees about version of symbol snd_timer_stop
snd_seq: Unknown symbol snd_timer_stop
snd_seq: disagrees about version of symbol snd_info_register
snd_seq: Unknown symbol snd_info_register
snd_seq: disagrees about version of symbol snd_info_create_module_entry
snd_seq: Unknown symbol snd_info_create_module_entry
snd_seq: disagrees about version of symbol snd_info_free_entry
snd_seq: Unknown symbol snd_info_free_entry
snd_seq: disagrees about version of symbol snd_seq_root
snd_seq: Unknown symbol snd_seq_root
snd_seq: disagrees about version of symbol snd_timer_close
snd_seq: Unknown symbol snd_timer_close
snd_seq: disagrees about version of symbol snd_timer_open
snd_seq: Unknown symbol snd_timer_open
snd_seq: disagrees about version of symbol snd_timer_start
snd_seq: Unknown symbol snd_timer_start
snd_seq: disagrees about version of symbol snd_timer_resolution
snd_seq: Unknown symbol snd_timer_resolution
snd_seq: disagrees about version of symbol snd_timer_pause
snd_seq: Unknown symbol snd_timer_pause
snd_seq: disagrees about version of symbol snd_unregister_device
snd_seq: Unknown symbol snd_unregister_device
snd_seq: disagrees about version of symbol snd_info_unregister
snd_seq: Unknown symbol snd_info_unregister
snd_seq: disagrees about version of symbol snd_register_device
snd_seq: Unknown symbol snd_register_device
module snd_seq_midi_event unsupported by SUSE/Novell, tainting kernel.
snd_seq_midi_event: Unknown symbol snd_seq_expand_var_event
module snd_seq_oss unsupported by SUSE/Novell, tainting kernel.
snd_seq_oss: Unknown symbol snd_seq_kernel_client_enqueue
snd_seq_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_info_register
snd_seq_oss: Unknown symbol snd_info_register
snd_seq_oss: Unknown symbol snd_seq_set_queue_tempo
snd_seq_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_info_create_module_entry
snd_seq_oss: Unknown symbol snd_info_create_module_entry
snd_seq_oss: Unknown symbol snd_seq_delete_kernel_client
snd_seq_oss: Unknown symbol snd_seq_kernel_client_dispatch
snd_seq_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_info_free_entry
snd_seq_oss: Unknown symbol snd_info_free_entry
snd_seq_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_seq_root
snd_seq_oss: Unknown symbol snd_seq_root
snd_seq_oss: Unknown symbol snd_seq_kernel_client_enqueue_blocking
snd_seq_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_unregister_oss_device
snd_seq_oss: Unknown symbol snd_unregister_oss_device
snd_seq_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_register_oss_device
snd_seq_oss: Unknown symbol snd_register_oss_device
snd_seq_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_seq_device_register_driver
snd_seq_oss: Unknown symbol snd_seq_device_register_driver
snd_seq_oss: Unknown symbol snd_midi_event_free
snd_seq_oss: Unknown symbol snd_midi_event_no_status
snd_seq_oss: Unknown symbol snd_seq_event_port_detach
snd_seq_oss: Unknown symbol snd_midi_event_new
snd_seq_oss: Unknown symbol snd_midi_event_decode
snd_seq_oss: Unknown symbol snd_seq_create_kernel_client
snd_seq_oss: Unknown symbol snd_seq_kernel_client_write_poll
snd_seq_oss: Unknown symbol snd_midi_event_encode_byte
snd_seq_oss: Unknown symbol snd_seq_kernel_client_ctl
snd_seq_oss: disagrees about version of symbol snd_info_unregister
snd_seq_oss: Unknown symbol snd_info_unregister
lamalta
01-04-2005, 13:56
Ma veramente nessuno sa fare un ipotesi?