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chandler8_2
03-11-2004, 22:24
salve ragazzi,
oggi il mio pc mi insospettisce un po per la sua lentezza e pesantezza.

premetto che faccio sempre scansioni con i vari progr per spyware e antivirus, non che deframmentazione.

Cmq qualkuno mi aiuta ad analizzare il log, io ci capisco veramente pochissimo ( per non dire niente!!:D)

Logfile of HijackThis v1.98.2
Scan saved at 22.14.15, on 03/11/2004
Platform: Windows XP SP2 (WinNT 5.01.2600)
MSIE: Internet Explorer v6.00 SP2 (6.00.2900.2180)

Running processes:
C:\WINDOWS\System32\smss.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\winlogon.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\services.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\lsass.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\svchost.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
C:\Programmi\Sygate\SPF\smc.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\spoolsv.exe
C:\Programmi\Alwil Software\Avast4\aswUpdSv.exe
C:\Programmi\Alwil Software\Avast4\ashServ.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvsvc32.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
C:\Programmi\Raxco\PerfectDisk\PDSched.exe
C:\WINDOWS\Explorer.EXE
C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
C:\Programmi\NVIDIA Corporation\NvMixer\NVMixerTray.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\GSICON.EXE
C:\WINDOWS\system32\dslagent.exe
C:\PROGRA~1\ALWILS~1\Avast4\ashDisp.exe
C:\PROGRA~1\ALWILS~1\Avast4\ashmaisv.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\rundll32.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\ctfmon.exe
C:\Programmi\Spamihilator\spamihilator.exe
C:\Programmi\GTray\gtray.exe
D:\File Condivisi\Programmi\S2kCtl\S2kCtl.exe
C:\Programmi\FreePOPs\freepopsd.exe
C:\Programmi\SpeedFan\speedfan.exe
C:\PROGRA~1\WINZIP\winzip32.exe
C:\Documents and Settings\Chandler\Impostazioni locali\Temp\HijackThis.exe

R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = http://www.libero.it/
R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = http://www.libero.it
R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Local Page =
R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Connection Wizard,ShellNext = http://www.sygate.com/swat/support/spf50_reg.htm
R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Toolbar,LinksFolderName = Collegamenti
O2 - BHO: AcroIEHlprObj Class - {06849E9F-C8D7-4D59-B87D-784B7D6BE0B3} - C:\Programmi\Adobe\Acrobat 6.0\Reader\ActiveX\AcroIEHelper.dll
O2 - BHO: (no name) - {53707962-6F74-2D53-2644-206D7942484F} - C:\PROGRA~1\SPYBOT~1\SDHelper.dll
O2 - BHO: Google Toolbar Helper - {AA58ED58-01DD-4d91-8333-CF10577473F7} - c:\programmi\google\googletoolbar1.dll
O3 - Toolbar: &Google - {2318C2B1-4965-11d4-9B18-009027A5CD4F} - c:\programmi\google\googletoolbar1.dll
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [NVMixerTray] "C:\Programmi\NVIDIA Corporation\NvMixer\NVMixerTray.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [GSICONEXE] GSICON.EXE
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [DSLAGENTEXE] dslagent.exe USB
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [avast!] C:\PROGRA~1\ALWILS~1\Avast4\ashDisp.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [ashMaiSv] C:\PROGRA~1\ALWILS~1\Avast4\ashmaisv.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [SmcService] C:\PROGRA~1\Sygate\SPF\smc.exe -startgui
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [NvCplDaemon] RUNDLL32.EXE C:\WINDOWS\system32\NvCpl.dll,NvStartup
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [nwiz] nwiz.exe /install
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [NvMediaCenter] RUNDLL32.EXE C:\WINDOWS\system32\NvMcTray.dll,NvTaskbarInit
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [NeroCheck] C:\WINDOWS\system32\NeroCheck.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [New.net Startup] rundll32 C:\PROGRA~1\NEWDOT~1\NEWDOT~2.DLL,NewDotNetStartup -s
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [CTFMON.EXE] C:\WINDOWS\system32\ctfmon.exe
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [Spamihilator] "C:\Programmi\Spamihilator\spamihilator.exe"
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [msnmsgr] "C:\Programmi\MSN Messenger\msnmsgr.exe" /background
O4 - Startup: Collegamento a S2kCtl.lnk = D:\File Condivisi\Programmi\S2kCtl\S2kCtl.exe
O4 - Startup: FreePOPs.lnk = C:\Programmi\FreePOPs\freepopsd.exe
O4 - Startup: SpeedFan.lnk = C:\Programmi\SpeedFan\speedfan.exe
O4 - Global Startup: GTray (2).lnk = C:\Programmi\GTray\gtray.exe
O8 - Extra context menu item: E&sporta in Microsoft Excel - res://C:\PROGRA~1\MICROS~2\OFFICE11\EXCEL.EXE/3000
O9 - Extra button: Ricerche - {92780B25-18CC-41C8-B9BE-3C9C571A8263} - C:\PROGRA~1\MICROS~2\OFFICE11\REFIEBAR.DLL
O10 - Hijacked Internet access by New.Net
O10 - Hijacked Internet access by New.Net
O10 - Hijacked Internet access by New.Net
O10 - Hijacked Internet access by New.Net
O16 - DPF: {00B71CFB-6864-4346-A978-C0A14556272C} (Checkers Class) - http://messenger.zone.msn.com/binary/msgrchkr.cab31267.cab
O16 - DPF: {6414512B-B978-451D-A0D8-FCFDF33E833C} (WUWebControl Class) - http://v5.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/v5consumer/V5Controls/en/x86/client/wuweb_site.cab?1096924908718
O16 - DPF: {74D05D43-3236-11D4-BDCD-00C04F9A3B61} (HouseCall Control) - http://a840.g.akamai.net/7/840/537/2004061001/housecall.trendmicro.com/housecall/xscan53.cab
O16 - DPF: {8E0D4DE5-3180-4024-A327-4DFAD1796A8D} (MessengerStatsClient Class) - http://messenger.zone.msn.com/binary/MessengerStatsClient.cab31267.cab
O17 - HKLM\System\CCS\Services\Tcpip\..\{B5BB27AD-78C4-46DC-931E-8F35EE082073}: NameServer = 80.21.163.20 151.99.125.1

canapa
03-11-2004, 22:38
Questi 4 sai cosa sono?
O10 - Hijacked Internet access by New.Net
O10 - Hijacked Internet access by New.Net
O10 - Hijacked Internet access by New.Net
O10 - Hijacked Internet access by New.Net

Secondo me sono monnezza.
Scaricati Spybot e fai una bella scansione.

chandler8_2
04-11-2004, 08:48
proprio quelli erina i miei dubbi!!

spyboot non li trova nemmeno, ad-aware invece si e mi dice che non li può eliminare...

che mi consigliate??
in modalità provvisoria dovrei risolvere qualkosa?

ring
04-11-2004, 09:56
Fixa le seguenti voci

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O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [New.net Startup] rundll32 C:\PROGRA~1\NEWDOT~1\NEWDOT~2.DLL,NewDotNetStartup -s

O10 - Hijacked Internet access by New.Net

O10 - Hijacked Internet access by New.Net

O10 - Hijacked Internet access by New.Net

O10 - Hijacked Internet access by New.Net

O16 - DPF: {74D05D43-3236-11D4-BDCD-00C04F9A3B61} (HouseCall Control) - http://a840.g.akamai.net/7/840/537/...all/xscan53.cab
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Poi dimmi se risolvi


Ciao

chandler8_2
04-11-2004, 10:37
ho fatto come dicevi.
il nuovo log è questo:

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Logfile of HijackThis v1.98.2
Scan saved at 10.35.39, on 04/11/2004
Platform: Windows XP SP2 (WinNT 5.01.2600)
MSIE: Internet Explorer v6.00 SP2 (6.00.2900.2180)

Running processes:
C:\WINDOWS\System32\smss.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\winlogon.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\services.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\lsass.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\svchost.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
C:\Programmi\Sygate\SPF\smc.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\spoolsv.exe
C:\Programmi\Alwil Software\Avast4\aswUpdSv.exe
C:\Programmi\Alwil Software\Avast4\ashServ.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvsvc32.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
C:\Programmi\Raxco\PerfectDisk\PDSched.exe
C:\WINDOWS\Explorer.EXE
C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
C:\Programmi\NVIDIA Corporation\NvMixer\NVMixerTray.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\GSICON.EXE
C:\WINDOWS\system32\dslagent.exe
C:\PROGRA~1\ALWILS~1\Avast4\ashDisp.exe
C:\PROGRA~1\ALWILS~1\Avast4\ashmaisv.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\rundll32.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\ctfmon.exe
C:\Programmi\Spamihilator\spamihilator.exe
C:\Programmi\MSN Messenger\msnmsgr.exe
C:\Programmi\GTray\gtray.exe
D:\File Condivisi\Programmi\S2kCtl\S2kCtl.exe
C:\Programmi\FreePOPs\freepopsd.exe
C:\Programmi\SpeedFan\speedfan.exe
C:\Programmi\Windows Media Player\wmplayer.exe
C:\PROGRA~1\WINZIP\winzip32.exe
C:\Documents and Settings\Chandler\Impostazioni locali\Temp\HijackThis.exe

R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = http://www.libero.it/
R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = http://www.libero.it
R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Local Page =
R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Connection Wizard,ShellNext = http://www.sygate.com/swat/support/spf50_reg.htm
R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Toolbar,LinksFolderName = Collegamenti
O2 - BHO: AcroIEHlprObj Class - {06849E9F-C8D7-4D59-B87D-784B7D6BE0B3} - C:\Programmi\Adobe\Acrobat 6.0\Reader\ActiveX\AcroIEHelper.dll
O2 - BHO: (no name) - {53707962-6F74-2D53-2644-206D7942484F} - C:\PROGRA~1\SPYBOT~1\SDHelper.dll
O2 - BHO: Google Toolbar Helper - {AA58ED58-01DD-4d91-8333-CF10577473F7} - c:\programmi\google\googletoolbar1.dll
O3 - Toolbar: &Google - {2318C2B1-4965-11d4-9B18-009027A5CD4F} - c:\programmi\google\googletoolbar1.dll
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [NVMixerTray] "C:\Programmi\NVIDIA Corporation\NvMixer\NVMixerTray.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [GSICONEXE] GSICON.EXE
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [DSLAGENTEXE] dslagent.exe USB
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [avast!] C:\PROGRA~1\ALWILS~1\Avast4\ashDisp.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [ashMaiSv] C:\PROGRA~1\ALWILS~1\Avast4\ashmaisv.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [SmcService] C:\PROGRA~1\Sygate\SPF\smc.exe -startgui
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [NvCplDaemon] RUNDLL32.EXE C:\WINDOWS\system32\NvCpl.dll,NvStartup
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [nwiz] nwiz.exe /install
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [NvMediaCenter] RUNDLL32.EXE C:\WINDOWS\system32\NvMcTray.dll,NvTaskbarInit
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [NeroCheck] C:\WINDOWS\system32\NeroCheck.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [New.net Startup] rundll32 C:\PROGRA~1\NEWDOT~1\NEWDOT~2.DLL,NewDotNetStartup -s
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [CTFMON.EXE] C:\WINDOWS\system32\ctfmon.exe
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [Spamihilator] "C:\Programmi\Spamihilator\spamihilator.exe"
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [msnmsgr] "C:\Programmi\MSN Messenger\msnmsgr.exe" /background
O4 - Startup: Collegamento a S2kCtl.lnk = D:\File Condivisi\Programmi\S2kCtl\S2kCtl.exe
O4 - Startup: FreePOPs.lnk = C:\Programmi\FreePOPs\freepopsd.exe
O4 - Startup: SpeedFan.lnk = C:\Programmi\SpeedFan\speedfan.exe
O4 - Global Startup: GTray (2).lnk = C:\Programmi\GTray\gtray.exe
O8 - Extra context menu item: E&sporta in Microsoft Excel - res://C:\PROGRA~1\MICROS~2\OFFICE11\EXCEL.EXE/3000
O9 - Extra button: Ricerche - {92780B25-18CC-41C8-B9BE-3C9C571A8263} - C:\PROGRA~1\MICROS~2\OFFICE11\REFIEBAR.DLL
O10 - Hijacked Internet access by New.Net
O10 - Hijacked Internet access by New.Net
O10 - Hijacked Internet access by New.Net
O10 - Hijacked Internet access by New.Net
O16 - DPF: {00B71CFB-6864-4346-A978-C0A14556272C} (Checkers Class) - http://messenger.zone.msn.com/binary/msgrchkr.cab31267.cab
O16 - DPF: {6414512B-B978-451D-A0D8-FCFDF33E833C} (WUWebControl Class) - http://v5.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/v5consumer/V5Controls/en/x86/client/wuweb_site.cab?1096924908718
O16 - DPF: {8E0D4DE5-3180-4024-A327-4DFAD1796A8D} (MessengerStatsClient Class) - http://messenger.zone.msn.com/binary/MessengerStatsClient.cab31267.cab
O17 - HKLM\System\CCS\Services\Tcpip\..\{B5BB27AD-78C4-46DC-931E-8F35EE082073}: NameServer = 80.21.163.20 151.99.125.1

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come vedi quelle voci new.net non sono state eliminate.
mi ha dato un errore che diceva di non poter fixare proprio quelle voci

zei78
04-11-2004, 11:01
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [New.net Startup] rundll32 C:\PROGRA~1\NEWDOT~1\NEWDOT~2.DLL,NewDotNetStartup -s

O10 - Hijacked Internet access by New.Net

mmmmm.... io toglierei ancora queste

Beep Beep
04-11-2004, 16:32
O4 - Startup: Collegamento a S2kCtl.lnk = D:\File Condivisi\Programmi\S2kCtl\S2kCtl.exe

cos'è?

canapa
04-11-2004, 17:50
Originariamente inviato da Beep Beep
O4 - Startup: Collegamento a S2kCtl.lnk = D:\File Condivisi\Programmi\S2kCtl\S2kCtl.exe

cos'è?

Se non sbaglio dovrebbe essere un programma per abbassare le temperature della cpu in idle.

chandler8_2
04-11-2004, 21:26
Se non sbaglio dovrebbe essere un programma per abbassare le temperature della cpu in idle.

esattamente.

ho provato a cancellare quelle voci new.net, ma nn vanno via in nessun modo.
HijackThis mi dice che si possono eliminare automaticamente con spyboot, ma spyboot non li vede proprio!

che mi consigliate di fare?!?!

canapa
04-11-2004, 23:40
Originariamente inviato da chandler8_2
esattamente.

ho provato a cancellare quelle voci new.net, ma nn vanno via in nessun modo.
HijackThis mi dice che si possono eliminare automaticamente con spyboot, ma spyboot non li vede proprio!

che mi consigliate di fare?!?!

Se non mi sbaglio c'era una patch, un aggiornamento di Spybot che risolveva questo.
Prova un pò a cercare perchè se avevamo già parlato.

chandler8_2
05-11-2004, 08:42
allora:
le voci new.net non appartengono a nessun malware.
fanno imfatti parte di un programma per la registrazione dei nomini (leggi (http://new.net/) )

cmq si cancellano con un tool di rimozione che non è altro che la procedura di disinstallazione di tale programma.
ora che mi ricordo tempo fa installai qualkosa con un'icona identica, evidentemente non l'ho poi disinstallata completamente.

Cmq in ogni caso questo è il nuovo log, mi sembra pulito, che ne dite?

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Logfile of HijackThis v1.98.2
Scan saved at 8.37.38, on 05/11/2004
Platform: Windows XP SP2 (WinNT 5.01.2600)
MSIE: Internet Explorer v6.00 SP2 (6.00.2900.2180)

Running processes:
C:\WINDOWS\System32\smss.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\winlogon.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\services.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\lsass.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\svchost.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
C:\Programmi\Sygate\SPF\smc.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\spoolsv.exe
C:\WINDOWS\Explorer.EXE
C:\Programmi\Alwil Software\Avast4\aswUpdSv.exe
C:\Programmi\Alwil Software\Avast4\ashServ.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvsvc32.exe
C:\Programmi\NVIDIA Corporation\NvMixer\NVMixerTray.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\GSICON.EXE
C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\dslagent.exe
C:\PROGRA~1\ALWILS~1\Avast4\ashDisp.exe
C:\PROGRA~1\ALWILS~1\Avast4\ashmaisv.exe
C:\Programmi\Raxco\PerfectDisk\PDSched.exe
C:\Program Files\ASUS\Probe\AsusProb.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\ctfmon.exe
C:\Programmi\Spamihilator\spamihilator.exe
C:\Programmi\MSN Messenger\msnmsgr.exe
C:\Programmi\GTray\gtray.exe
D:\File Condivisi\Programmi\dtemp\DTemp.exe
D:\File Condivisi\Programmi\S2kCtl\S2kCtl.exe
C:\Programmi\FreePOPs\freepopsd.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
C:\PROGRA~1\WINZIP\winzip32.exe
C:\Documents and Settings\Chandler\Impostazioni locali\Temp\HijackThis.exe

R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = http://www.libero.it/
R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = http://www.libero.it
R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Local Page =
R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Connection Wizard,ShellNext = http://www.sygate.com/swat/support/spf50_reg.htm
R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Toolbar,LinksFolderName = Collegamenti
O2 - BHO: AcroIEHlprObj Class - {06849E9F-C8D7-4D59-B87D-784B7D6BE0B3} - C:\Programmi\Adobe\Acrobat 6.0\Reader\ActiveX\AcroIEHelper.dll
O2 - BHO: (no name) - {53707962-6F74-2D53-2644-206D7942484F} - C:\PROGRA~1\SPYBOT~1\SDHelper.dll
O2 - BHO: Google Toolbar Helper - {AA58ED58-01DD-4d91-8333-CF10577473F7} - c:\programmi\google\googletoolbar1.dll
O3 - Toolbar: &Google - {2318C2B1-4965-11d4-9B18-009027A5CD4F} - c:\programmi\google\googletoolbar1.dll
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [NVMixerTray] "C:\Programmi\NVIDIA Corporation\NvMixer\NVMixerTray.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [GSICONEXE] GSICON.EXE
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [DSLAGENTEXE] dslagent.exe USB
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [avast!] C:\PROGRA~1\ALWILS~1\Avast4\ashDisp.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [ashMaiSv] C:\PROGRA~1\ALWILS~1\Avast4\ashmaisv.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [SmcService] C:\PROGRA~1\Sygate\SPF\smc.exe -startgui
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [NvCplDaemon] RUNDLL32.EXE C:\WINDOWS\system32\NvCpl.dll,NvStartup
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [nwiz] nwiz.exe /install
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [NvMediaCenter] RUNDLL32.EXE C:\WINDOWS\system32\NvMcTray.dll,NvTaskbarInit
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [NeroCheck] C:\WINDOWS\system32\NeroCheck.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [ASUS Probe] C:\Program Files\ASUS\Probe\AsusProb.exe
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [CTFMON.EXE] C:\WINDOWS\system32\ctfmon.exe
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [Spamihilator] "C:\Programmi\Spamihilator\spamihilator.exe"
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [msnmsgr] "C:\Programmi\MSN Messenger\msnmsgr.exe" /background
O4 - Startup: Collegamento a DTemp.lnk = D:\File Condivisi\Programmi\dtemp\DTemp.exe
O4 - Startup: Collegamento a S2kCtl.lnk = D:\File Condivisi\Programmi\S2kCtl\S2kCtl.exe
O4 - Startup: FreePOPs.lnk = C:\Programmi\FreePOPs\freepopsd.exe
O4 - Global Startup: GTray (2).lnk = C:\Programmi\GTray\gtray.exe
O8 - Extra context menu item: E&sporta in Microsoft Excel - res://C:\PROGRA~1\MICROS~2\OFFICE11\EXCEL.EXE/3000
O9 - Extra button: Ricerche - {92780B25-18CC-41C8-B9BE-3C9C571A8263} - C:\PROGRA~1\MICROS~2\OFFICE11\REFIEBAR.DLL
O16 - DPF: {00B71CFB-6864-4346-A978-C0A14556272C} (Checkers Class) - http://messenger.zone.msn.com/binary/msgrchkr.cab31267.cab
O16 - DPF: {6414512B-B978-451D-A0D8-FCFDF33E833C} (WUWebControl Class) - http://v5.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/v5consumer/V5Controls/en/x86/client/wuweb_site.cab?1096924908718
O16 - DPF: {8E0D4DE5-3180-4024-A327-4DFAD1796A8D} (MessengerStatsClient Class) - http://messenger.zone.msn.com/binary/MessengerStatsClient.cab31267.cab

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rano
07-11-2004, 13:04
se sono ot, mi scuso, ma non so' + che fare.
Ho il problema della pagina iniziale di internet explorer che, pur chiamandosi about blank, visualizza una pagina di un motore bastardo!
Ne ho provate di tutte, dai vari spybot, spyware e altri, com posso fare, cio' che cancello poi si ricrea automaticamente, troppo peso x me:muro:
Non c'e' proprio soluzione??:mc: