Link alla notizia: https://www.hwupgrade.it/news/storage/truffa-degli-hard-disk-seagate-usati-venduti-come-nuovi-c-entra-la-criptovaluta-chia_135458.html

La "truffa dei dischi Seagate", che riguarda la vendita di hard disk usati come se fossero nuovi, sembra assumere connotati globali. C'è anche una teoria: i dischi sarebbero scarti di server farm in Cina collegate al farming della criptovaluta Chia.

Click sul link per visualizzare la notizia.

Ho comprato ad Agosto 2024 un disco da 12TB usato da Amazon (ricondizionato dato per nuovo) e ai tempi avevo guardato solo il dato S.M.A.R.T.
Ad oggi riguardando invece con il tool smartctl risulta che è acceso da 24740 ore, quasi 3 anni :

C:\Windows\System32>smartctl -l farm d:
smartctl 7.4 2023-08-01 r5530 [x86_64-w64-mingw32-w11-b26100] (sf-7.4-1)
Copyright (C) 2002-23, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org

Seagate Field Access Reliability Metrics log (FARM) (GP Log 0xa6)
FARM Log Page 0: Log Header
FARM Log Version: 4.5
Pages Supported: 6
Log Size: 98304
Page Size: 16384
Heads Supported: 24
Number of Copies: 0
Reason for Frame Capture: 0
FARM Log Page 1: Drive Information
Serial Number: ZJV4NB06
World Wide Name: 0x5000c500b5c9d0fc
Device Interface: SATA
Device Capacity in Sectors: 23437770752
Physical Sector Size: 4096
Logical Sector Size: 512
Device Buffer Size: 268435456
Number of Heads: 16
Device Form Factor: 3.5 inches
Rotation Rate: 7200 rpm
Firmware Rev: G005
ATA Security State (ID Word 128): 0x01629
ATA Features Supported (ID Word 78): 0x0168cc
ATA Features Enabled (ID Word 79): 0x0000000000000040
Power on Hours: 24740
Spindle Power on Hours: 278645310645
Head Flight Hours: 278645310645
Head Load Events: 335
Power Cycle Count: 352
Hardware Reset Count: 494
Spin-up Time: 10 ms
Time to ready of the last power cycle: 0 ms
Time drive is held in staggered spin: 0 ms
Model Number:
Drive Recording Type: UNKNOWN
Max Number of Available Sectors for Reassignment: 0
Assembly Date (YYWW):
Depopulation Head Mask: 0
FARM Log Page 2: Workload Statistics
Total Number of Read Commands: 2505325234
Total Number of Write Commands: 2225667124
Total Number of Random Read Commands: 867273910
Total Number of Random Write Commands: 1919239348
Total Number Of Other Commands: 8180908
Logical Sectors Written: 1673646593560
Logical Sectors Read: 1929325105052
Number of dither events during current power cycle: 0
Number of times dither was held off during random workloads: 0
Number of times dither was held off during sequential workloads: 0
Number of Read commands from 0-3.125% of LBA space for last 3 SMART Summary Frames: 0
Number of Read commands from 3.125-25% of LBA space for last 3 SMART Summary Frames: 0
Number of Read commands from 25-75% of LBA space for last 3 SMART Summary Frames: 0
Number of Read commands from 75-100% of LBA space for last 3 SMART Summary Frames: 0
Number of Write commands from 0-3.125% of LBA space for last 3 SMART Summary Frames: 0
Number of Write commands from 3.125-25% of LBA space for last 3 SMART Summary Frames: 0
Number of Write commands from 25-75% of LBA space for last 3 SMART Summary Frames: 0
Number of Write commands from 75-100% of LBA space for last 3 SMART Summary Frames: 0
FARM Log Page 3: Error Statistics
Unrecoverable Read Errors: 21
Unrecoverable Write Errors: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors: 0
Number of Read Recovery Attempts: 0
Number of Mechanical Start Failures: 0
Number of Reallocated Candidate Sectors: 0
Number of ASR Events: 425
Number of Interface CRC Errors: 0
Spin Retry Count: 0
Spin Retry Count Normalized: 100
Spin Retry Count Worst: 100
Number of IOEDC Errors (Raw): 0
CTO Count Total: 0
CTO Count Over 5s: 0
CTO Count Over 7.5s: 0
Total Flash LED (Assert) Events: 0
Index of the last Flash LED: 0
Flash LED Event 0:
Event Information: 0x0000000000000000
Timestamp of Event 0 (hours): 0
Power Cycle Event 0: 0
Flash LED Event 1:
Event Information: 0x0000000000000000
Timestamp of Event 1 (hours): 0
Power Cycle Event 1: 0
Flash LED Event 2:
Event Information: 0x0000000000000000
Timestamp of Event 2 (hours): 0
Power Cycle Event 2: 0
Flash LED Event 3:
Event Information: 0x0000000000000000
Timestamp of Event 3 (hours): 0
Power Cycle Event 3: 0
Flash LED Event 4:
Event Information: 0x0000000000000000
Timestamp of Event 4 (hours): 0
Power Cycle Event 4: 0
Flash LED Event 5:
Event Information: 0x0000000000000000
Timestamp of Event 5 (hours): 0
Power Cycle Event 5: 0
Flash LED Event 6:
Event Information: 0x0000000000000000
Timestamp of Event 6 (hours): 0
Power Cycle Event 6: 0
Flash LED Event 7:
Event Information: 0x0000000000000000
Timestamp of Event 7 (hours): 0
Power Cycle Event 7: 0
Uncorrectable errors: 0
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read errors due to ERC: 0
Cum Lifetime Unrecoverable by head 0:
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Repeating: 0
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Unique: 0
Cum Lifetime Unrecoverable by head 1:
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Repeating: 0
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Unique: 0
Cum Lifetime Unrecoverable by head 2:
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Repeating: 0
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Unique: 0
Cum Lifetime Unrecoverable by head 3:
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Repeating: 0
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Unique: 0
Cum Lifetime Unrecoverable by head 4:
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Repeating: 0
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Unique: 0
Cum Lifetime Unrecoverable by head 5:
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Repeating: 0
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Unique: 0
Cum Lifetime Unrecoverable by head 6:
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Repeating: 0
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Unique: 0
Cum Lifetime Unrecoverable by head 7:
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Repeating: 0
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Unique: 0
Cum Lifetime Unrecoverable by head 8:
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Repeating: 0
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Unique: 0
Cum Lifetime Unrecoverable by head 9:
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Repeating: 0
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Unique: 0
Cum Lifetime Unrecoverable by head 10:
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Repeating: 0
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Unique: 0
Cum Lifetime Unrecoverable by head 11:
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Repeating: 0
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Unique: 0
Cum Lifetime Unrecoverable by head 12:
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Repeating: 0
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Unique: 0
Cum Lifetime Unrecoverable by head 13:
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Repeating: 0
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Unique: 0
Cum Lifetime Unrecoverable by head 14:
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Repeating: 0
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Unique: 0
Cum Lifetime Unrecoverable by head 15:
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Repeating: 0
Cumulative Lifetime Unrecoverable Read Unique: 0
FARM Log Page 4: Environment Statistics
Current Temperature (Celsius): 40
Highest Temperature: 54
Lowest Temperature: 23
Average Short Term Temperature: 39
Average Long Term Temperature: 39
Highest Average Short Term Temperature: 47
Lowest Average Short Term Temperature: 38
Highest Average Long Term Temperature: 45
Lowest Average Long Term Temperature: 39
Time In Over Temperature (minutes): 0
Time In Under Temperature (minutes): 0
Specified Max Operating Temperature: 60
Specified Min Operating Temperature: 5
Current Relative Humidity: 80
Current Motor Power: 0
Current 12 volts: 0.000
Minimum 12 volts: 0.000
Maximum 12 volts: 0.000
Current 5 volts: 0.000
Minimum 5 volts: 0.000
Maximum 5 volts: 0.000
12V Power Average: 0.000
12V Power Minimum: 0.000
12V Power Maximum: 0.000
5V Power Average: 0.000
5V Power Minimum: 0.000
5V Power Maximum: 0.000
FARM Log Page 5: Reliability Statistics
Error Rate (SMART Attribute 1 Raw): 0x000000000dcb2e88
Error Rate (SMART Attribute 1 Normalized): 84
Error Rate (SMART Attribute 1 Worst): 64
Seek Error Rate (SMART Attr 7 Raw): 0x0000000000e2a169
Seek Error Rate (SMART Attr 7 Normalized): 72
Seek Error Rate (SMART Attr 7 Worst): 60
High Priority Unload Events: 64
Helium Pressure Threshold Tripped: 0
LBAs Corrected By Parity Sector: 0
DVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 0: 0
DVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 1: 0
DVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 2: 0
DVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 3: 0
DVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 4: 0
DVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 5: 0
DVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 6: 0
DVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 7: 0
DVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 8: 0
DVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 9: 0
DVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 10: 0
DVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 11: 0
DVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 12: 0
DVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 13: 0
DVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 14: 0
DVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 15: 0
RVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 0: 0
RVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 1: 0
RVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 2: 0
RVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 3: 0
RVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 4: 0
RVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 5: 0
RVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 6: 0
RVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 7: 0
RVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 8: 0
RVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 9: 0
RVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 10: 0
RVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 11: 0
RVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 12: 0
RVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 13: 0
RVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 14: 0
RVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 15: 0
FVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 0: 0
FVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 1: 0
FVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 2: 0
FVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 3: 0
FVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 4: 0
FVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 5: 0
FVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 6: 0
FVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 7: 0
FVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 8: 0
FVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 9: 0
FVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 10: 0
FVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 11: 0
FVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 12: 0
FVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 13: 0
FVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 14: 0
FVGA Skip Write Detect by Head 15: 0
Skip Write Detect Threshold Exceeded by Head 0: 0
Skip Write Detect Threshold Exceeded by Head 1: 0
Skip Write Detect Threshold Exceeded by Head 2: 0
Skip Write Detect Threshold Exceeded by Head 3: 0
Skip Write Detect Threshold Exceeded by Head 4: 0
Skip Write Detect Threshold Exceeded by Head 5: 0
Skip Write Detect Threshold Exceeded by Head 6: 0
Skip Write Detect Threshold Exceeded by Head 7: 0
Skip Write Detect Threshold Exceeded by Head 8: 0
Skip Write Detect Threshold Exceeded by Head 9: 0
Skip Write Detect Threshold Exceeded by Head 10: 0
Skip Write Detect Threshold Exceeded by Head 11: 0
Skip Write Detect Threshold Exceeded by Head 12: 0
Skip Write Detect Threshold Exceeded by Head 13: 0
Skip Write Detect Threshold Exceeded by Head 14: 0
Skip Write Detect Threshold Exceeded by Head 15: 0
Write Power On (hrs) by Head 0: 1772631693924
Write Power On (hrs) by Head 1: 1966696049972
Write Power On (hrs) by Head 2: 1792598613056
Write Power On (hrs) by Head 3: 2017118711673
Write Power On (hrs) by Head 4: 1671370849272
Write Power On (hrs) by Head 5: 1724340498503
Write Power On (hrs) by Head 6: 1912511960254
Write Power On (hrs) by Head 7: 1718617629260
Write Power On (hrs) by Head 8: 1688408524338
Write Power On (hrs) by Head 9: 1964502754703
Write Power On (hrs) by Head 10: 1912972627569
Write Power On (hrs) by Head 11: 1944704023376
Write Power On (hrs) by Head 12: 1869528640471
Write Power On (hrs) by Head 13: 1851875027689
Write Power On (hrs) by Head 14: 1762689160995
Write Power On (hrs) by Head 15: 1658551239534
MR Head Resistance from Head 0: 0
MR Head Resistance from Head 1: 0
MR Head Resistance from Head 2: 0
MR Head Resistance from Head 3: 0
MR Head Resistance from Head 4: 0
MR Head Resistance from Head 5: 0
MR Head Resistance from Head 6: 0
MR Head Resistance from Head 7: 0
MR Head Resistance from Head 8: 0
MR Head Resistance from Head 9: 0
MR Head Resistance from Head 10: 0
MR Head Resistance from Head 11: 0
MR Head Resistance from Head 12: 0
MR Head Resistance from Head 13: 0
MR Head Resistance from Head 14: 0
MR Head Resistance from Head 15: 0
Second MR Head Resistance by Head 0: 0
Second MR Head Resistance by Head 1: 0
Second MR Head Resistance by Head 2: 0
Second MR Head Resistance by Head 3: 0
Second MR Head Resistance by Head 4: 0
Second MR Head Resistance by Head 5: 0
Second MR Head Resistance by Head 6: 0
Second MR Head Resistance by Head 7: 0
Second MR Head Resistance by Head 8: 0
Second MR Head Resistance by Head 9: 0
Second MR Head Resistance by Head 10: 0
Second MR Head Resistance by Head 11: 0
Second MR Head Resistance by Head 12: 0
Second MR Head Resistance by Head 13: 0
Second MR Head Resistance by Head 14: 0
Second MR Head Resistance by Head 15: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 0: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 1: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 2: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 3: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 4: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 5: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 6: 6
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 7: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 8: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 9: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 10: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 11: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 12: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 13: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 14: 0
Number of Reallocated Sectors by Head 15: 0
Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 0: 0
Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 1: 0
Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 2: 0
Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 3: 0
Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 4: 0
Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 5: 0
Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 6: 0
Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 7: 0
Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 8: 0
Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 9: 0
Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 10: 0
Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 11: 0
Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 12: 0
Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 13: 0
Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 14: 0
Number of Reallocation Candidate Sectors by Head 15: 0

Questa mi mancava.......
Che poi scusa eh: ma se sapevi che era ricondizionato (e quindi usato), perché ti stupisci di vedere quel dato? Mah...

Controllare sempre i dati smart, anche se è nuovo.

Cattivoni cinesi questa volta è colpa loro a spiare, truffare, stanp che non vi siano anche i Russi e nord coreani. se solo smettessimo tutti quanti di comprare per un anno intero ogni cosa elettronica ed informatica !!! a cominciare dai telefoni, Ssd e GPU con i loro prezzi folli

Controllare sempre i dati smart, anche se è nuovo.

Si, ma viene riportato che non basta lo SMART e servirebbe controllare il resto: " Solo interrogando i valori FARM (Field Accessible Reliability Metrics) è possibile scoprire le reali ore di funzionamento."

In effetti mi devo ancora mettere a controllare i miei HD 'nuovi' di WD con smartctl per controllare se hanno qualche problema di... età :D

C'è qualcuno che volendo provare la versione per Windows di smartctl è in grado di visualizzare un report 'FARM' simile a quello di @Lain84?

Ho installato la versione grafica v2.0.1 di https://github.com/ashaduri/gsmartcontrol/releases/tag/v2.0.1
citato nelle News di SmartMonTools:

https://i.postimg.cc/2680nKgd/alex-GSmartcontrol.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

ma non appare niente del genere sul mio WD Purple. E nulla che si riferisca ad un Farm log. :confused:

Usando l'exeguibile smartmontools-7.4-1.win32-setup.exe per Windows il risultato su un HDD WD è:

https://i.postimg.cc/CKC2GD50/Farm-WDD.jpg (https://postimages.org/)


Quindi non si può andare oltre lo SMART con gli HDD di Western Digital?

Se li vendono come usati qualche domanda me la farei . Se li usi per un Nas devi comprarli nuovi c'è poco da dare . Ho trovato un ottimo venditore dalla Germania che vende ironwolf pro 16 TB a 190 euro l'uno l'estate scorsa nuovi di pacca e sigillati tra l'altro . Spendere poco meno per averli usati non ha senso

Il sigillo in cellophane dovrebbe essere una garanzia?

Cattivoni cinesi questa volta è colpa loro a spiare, truffare, stanp che non vi siano anche i Russi e nord coreani. se solo smettessimo tutti quanti di comprare per un anno intero ogni cosa elettronica ed informatica !!! a cominciare dai telefoni, Ssd e GPU con i loro prezzi folli

Io ho smesso da molto più di un anno e non solo per elettronica e informatica, ma anche per tutto il resto (e dico tutto). Solo gli alimenti non posso farne a meno, ma anche lì ho dato una sforbiciata per quel che potevo.
Solo che non cambia nulla. Date una mano anche voi... :O

Ma sono interessanti anche 2,5" o solo 3,5"?


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In teoria dovrebbero essere interessati tutti i formati di hd e ssd. Se viene venduto come nuovo di solito sono presenti sigilli , confezioni sottovuoto con chiusura termosaldata . Smart dice tutto comunque , un HD molto usato ha settori danneggiati

Ma sono interessanti anche 2,5" o solo 3,5"?


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A me è partito un 2,5", improvvisamente lo SMART e i dati sono diventati illeggibili. Un software mi dice che il disco sa per fallire completamente. Nel mio caso è probabilmente partita la scheda logica. A memoria mi ricordo che avev 15.000 ore di utilizzo e 0 settori danneggiati 0 problemi, di colpo, forse un black out, f0ttut0. Non so se possono avere azzerato il "contagiri".
Sulla "pancia" metallica del disco ho notato dei strani graffi. Non so se è una cosa normale. Procurandomi un disco simile guasto, mi sono accorto che anche lì la pancia ha dei graffi che però sono diversi. L'avevo comprato in Spagna anni fa per circa 75 euro 2TB. Mi serve la scheda logica, ma deve essere uguale. Prima di tirare il disco dimmi magari puoi darmi i numeri dei codici a barre nel retro.

C'è qualcuno che volendo provare la versione per Windows di smartctl è in grado di visualizzare un report 'FARM' simile a quello di @Lain84?

Ho installato la versione grafica v2.0.1 di https://github.com/ashaduri/gsmartcontrol/releases/tag/v2.0.1
citato nelle News di SmartMonTools:

https://i.postimg.cc/2680nKgd/alex-GSmartcontrol.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

ma non appare niente del genere sul mio WD Purple. E nulla che si riferisca ad un Farm log. :confused:

Usando l'exeguibile smartmontools-7.4-1.win32-setup.exe per Windows il risultato su un HDD WD è:

https://i.postimg.cc/CKC2GD50/Farm-WDD.jpg (https://postimages.org/)


Quindi non si può andare oltre lo SMART con gli HDD di Western Digital?

Sembra solo per Seagate

personalmente e per i miei clienti da sempre prendo i dischi solo dai distributori ufficiali ed autorizzati dei rispettivi brand.

Chiaramente chi non può accedere ai grossisti magari cerca le occasioni su Amazon e simili, ma non metterei mai i miei dati su dischi di tale provenienza, salvo che siano in sistemi RAID, o che ci siano altre forme di backup affidabili.

quando leggo un "rigenerato nuovo"... penso alla definizione di ossimoro.

ha tanto senso quanto un "acido basico"

In teoria dovrebbero essere interessati tutti i formati di hd e ssd. Se viene venduto come nuovo di solito sono presenti sigilli , confezioni sottovuoto con chiusura termosaldata . Smart dice tutto comunque , un HD molto usato ha settori danneggiati

Questo HDD era nuovo di zecca, sigillato, zero ore. (https://www.hwupgrade.it/forum/showthread.php?t=3022880) Eppure...

Se avessi ancora dei dischi meccanici lo farei
Laughing in nVME master-race :D