View Full Version : DuckDuckGo blocca tutti i tracker... tranne quelli di Microsoft grazie a un accordo speciale
Redazione di Hardware Upg
27-05-2022, 12:01
Link alla notizia: https://www.hwupgrade.it/news/web/duckduckgo-blocca-tutti-i-tracker-tranne-quelli-di-microsoft-grazie-a-un-accordo-speciale_107528.html
Il browser DuckDuckGo si concentra sulla privacy degli utenti, tuttavia pare stia "dimenticando" di bloccare i tracking di Microsoft. E si è scoperto che si tratta di una dinamica voluta
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Il tipico scivolone che può affossare una realtà.
Ahi ahi, DuckDuckGo...
Opteranium
27-05-2022, 13:00
da qualche parte devono guadagnare. Molto meglio loro di altri. Tanto la privacy in rete è una chimera
Hiei3600
27-05-2022, 13:39
C'è una (presunta) risposta da parte del CEO e fondatore di DuckDuck:
"Hi, I'm the CEO & Founder of DuckDuckGo. To be clear (since I already see confusion in the comments), when you load our search results, you are anonymous, including ads. Also on 3rd-party websites we actually do block Microsoft 3rd-party cookies in our browsers plus more protections including fingerprinting protection. That is, this article is not about our search engine, but about our browsers -- we have browsers (really all-in-one privacy apps) for iOS, Android, and now Mac (in beta).
When most other browsers on the market talk about tracking protection they are usually referring to 3rd-party cookie protection and fingerprinting protection, and our browsers impose these same restrictions on all third-party tracking scripts, including those from Microsoft. We also have a lot of other above-and-beyond web protections that also apply to Microsoft scripts (and everyone else), e.g., Global Privacy Control, first-party cookie expiration, referrer header trimming, new cookie consent handling (in our Mac beta), fire button (one-click) data clearing, and more.
What this article is talking about specifically is another above-and-beyond protection that most browsers don't even attempt to do for web protection— stopping third-party tracking scripts from even loading on third-party websites -- because this can easily cause websites to break. But we've taken on that challenge because it makes for better privacy, and faster downloads -- we wrote a blog post about it here. Because we're doing this above-and-beyond protection where we can, and offer many other unique protections (e.g., Google AMP/FLEDGE/Topics protection, automatic HTTPS upgrading, tracking protection for other apps in Android, email protection to block trackers for emails sent to your regular inbox, etc.), users get way more privacy protection with our app than they would using other browsers. Our goal has always been to provide the most privacy we can in one download.
The issue at hand is, while most of our protections like 3rd-party cookie blocking apply to Microsoft scripts on 3rd-party sites (again, this is off of DuckDuckGo,com, i.e., not related to search), we are currently contractually restricted by Microsoft from completely stopping them from loading (the one above-and-beyond protection explained in the last paragraph) on 3rd party sites. We still restrict them though (e.g., no 3rd party cookies allowed). The original example was Workplace.com loading a LinkedIn.com script. Nevertheless, we have been and are working with Microsoft as we speak to reduce or remove this limited restriction.
I understand this is all rather confusing because it is a search syndication contract that is preventing us from doing a non-search thing. That's because our product is a bundle of multiple privacy protections, and this is a distribution requirement imposed on us as part of the search syndication agreement that helps us privately use some Bing results to provide you with better private search results overall. While a lot of what you see on our results page privately incorporates content from other sources, including our own indexes (e.g., Wikipedia, Local listings, Sports, etc.), we source most of our traditional links and images privately from Bing (though because of other search technology our link and image results still may look different). Really only two companies (Google and Microsoft) have a high-quality global web link index (because I believe it costs upwards of a billion dollars a year to do), and so literally every other global search engine needs to bootstrap with one or both of them to provide a mainstream search product. The same is true for maps btw -- only the biggest companies can similarly afford to put satellites up and send ground cars to take streetview pictures of every neighborhood.
Anyway, I hope this provides some helpful context. Taking a step back, I know our product is not perfect and will never be. Nothing can provide 100% protection. And we face many constraints: platform constraints (we can't offer all protections on every platform do to limited APIs or other restrictions), limited contractual constraints (like in this case), breakage constraints (blocking some things totally breaks web experiences), and of course the evolving tracking arms race that we constantly work to keep ahead of. That's why we have always been extremely careful to never promise anonymity when browsing outside our search engine, because that frankly isn’t possible. We're also working on updates to our app store descriptions to make this more clear. Holistically though I believe what we offer is the best thing out there for mainstream users who want simple privacy protection without breaking things, and that is our product vision."
Questo messaggio è apparso sul Sub-reddit di DuckDuckGo:
https://www.reddit.com/r/duckduckgo/comments/uyf67u/duckduckgo_browser_allows_microsoft_trackers_due/
Gnubbolo
27-05-2022, 14:02
Gabriel Weinberg ha la stessa faccia di Zelensky. da contaballe
mi sento preso per il C non poco, ma si fa presto a trovare un'alternativa valida: search.brave.com
Io inizio a cercare alternative (se qualcuno già ne conosce son ben accetti consigli) ;)
Io inizio a cercare alternative (se qualcuno già ne conosce son ben accetti consigli) ;)
https://www.privacyguides.org/search-engines/
https://www.privacytools.io/#search
Oppure continui ad usare DuckDuckGo come motore di ricerca, ma non utilizzi il loro browser...
mi sento preso per il C non poco, ma si fa presto a trovare un'alternativa valida: search.brave.com
ma parlano del Browser, non del motore di ricerca
ma parlano del Browser, non del motore di ricerca
Ma se ti mangi il nome con un prodotto, perdi credibilità anche in tutti gli altri...
Steven1987
28-05-2022, 23:25
Io inizio a cercare alternative (se qualcuno già ne conosce son ben accetti consigli) ;)
Io da circa un mesetto sto provando Qwant, col quale mi trovo bene per ora. Praticamente tutte le mie ricerche sono soddisfatte. Provalo;)
duck duck è rispettoso della privaciy come mia nonna in carriola.. venduti, lo si era capito a febbraio benissimo.
matsnake86
29-05-2022, 08:55
Io da circa un mesetto sto provando Qwant, col quale mi trovo bene per ora. Praticamente tutte le mie ricerche sono soddisfatte. Provalo;)
Molto interessante. Grazie per la dritta.
duck duck è rispettoso della privaciy come mia nonna in carriola.. venduti, lo si era capito a febbraio benissimo.
Cos'era successo a febbraio?
Fra Marzo ed Aprile:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DuckDuckGo
On March 1, 2022, in response to the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, DuckDuckGo paused its partnership with Yandex Search.[52] On March 9, 2022, Weinberg said in a tweet that DuckDuckGo will down-rank sites associated with Russian disinformation, a move which some users criticized as censorship and a violation of the search engine's commitment to "unbiased search." DuckDuckGo has defended itself from the criticism, saying that "The primary utility of a search engine is to provide access to accurate information. Disinformation sites that deliberately put out false information to intentionally mislead people directly cut against that utility."[53][54][55]
In April 2022, TorrentFreak reported that DuckDuckGo had blocked search results for some major pirating websites, including The Pirate Bay, 1337x and FMovies, as well as video downloading software Youtube-dl.[56] However, in a statement to Engadget, DuckDuckGo said that The Pirate Bay and Youtube-dl were never removed from its search results if the user searched for those websites using their name or web address. DuckDuckGo also said that there were problems with "site:" search queries used for these websites and other searches and said that the problem had been fixed.[56]
Gringo [ITF]
30-05-2022, 08:58
Perchè si crede ancora che esista un qualcosa di Neutrale....?
PGP.............. Acquistato dalla NSA (norton)
Truecrypt........ Scontinuato in favore della potenza di Bitlocker (microsoft)
ora DuckDuckgo... Accordi unilaterali (microsoft)
Tor.............. Tutti i server sono sotto controllo della NSA/CIA
Credeteci.... se qualcosa permette una vera Privacy, deve cadere con le Buone o con le Cattive, quindi usate tranquillamente Google o Bing non cambia nulla, i bug dei microprocessori sono altro che Backdoor cadute in pubblico.
;47852333']Perchè si crede ancora che esista un qualcosa di Neutrale....?
PGP.............. Acquistato dalla NSA (norton)
Truecrypt........ Scontinuato in favore della potenza di Bitlocker (microsoft)
ora DuckDuckgo... Accordi unilaterali (microsoft)
Tor.............. Tutti i server sono sotto controllo della NSA/CIA
Credeteci.... se qualcosa permette una vera Privacy, deve cadere con le Buone o con le Cattive, quindi usate tranquillamente Google o Bing non cambia nulla, i bug dei microprocessori sono altro che Backdoor cadute in pubblico.
Ma non è niente vero.
Intanto lo standard è OpenPGP, da cui deriva GPG, che è software libero, non acquistato da nessuno.
Truecrypt non è stato scontinuato in favore di Bitlocker; è stato abbandonato a causa di alcune vulnerabilità, o probabili "manomissioni esterne". Da allora, Veracrypt ha preso il suo posto.
DuckDuckGo, si parla di accordi con MS nel browser, non nel motore di ricerca. Comunque, a livello di privacy, resterebbe nonostante tutto migliore di Google e affini. E poi, esistono altre alternative.
Su Tor non mi pronuncio, da ignorante, ma che tutti i server siano sotto controllo sembra tanto una diceria, più che un fatto.
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