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dantes76

26-06-2010, 23:33

La cena di Hamas

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Seduti attorno a una tavola imbandita, anche se il clima è conviviale, può accadere invece che la discussione possa scivolare su toni aspri e duri e la cena finisca male.

E’ quello che è accaduto qualche sera fa a Gaza City, dove il premier di Hamas, Ismail Haniyeh aveva invitato a cena una delegazione dei Fratelli Musulmani egiziani in visita nella Striscia, entrata dal valico di Rafah (quello con l’Egitto, riaperto dopo la crisi seguita all’assalto israeliano al traghetto turco che voleva forzare il blocco di Gaza). Haniyeh – che quando Israele decretò l’embargo sulla Striscia nel 2007, baldanzosamente sosteneva che i palestinesi della Striscia potevano vivere anni mangiando solo pane, olio e sale – ci teneva, evidentemente, a fare bella figura con i suoi ospiti, nove deputati dei Fratelli Musulmani egiziani. Molto influenti, molto estremisti e molto solidali con Hamas.

Ma sulla tavola l’altra sera non c’erano pane, olio e sale – il cibo davvero di tutti i giorni per la gente di Gaza dove le organizzazioni umanitarie faticano a assistere oltre un milione di persone che altrimenti non avrebbe di che nutrirsi.

C’erano invece libagioni di ogni tipo, quelle che gli abitanti dei campi profughi – i termitai come Khan Younis o Shati – possono davvero solo sognare, dove la sera si contano i fagioli in ogni piatto che si mette a tavola; se si ha ancora una tavola, se si ha ancora una casa. Fino a quel momento l’incontro fra le due delegazioni era stato tutto sorrisi, strette di mano e cordialità. Poi l’atmosfera di colpo è cambiata. Uno degli ospiti egiziani si è accorto che buona parte delle vivande che erano sul tavolo non poteva venire dalla Striscia né erano parte di forniture alimentari delle organizzazioni umanitarie: erano Made in Israel.

«Che la vergogna si abbatta su di voi», ha gridato rivolto allo stato maggiore di Hamas alzandosi dal tavolo e abbandonando la sala, probabilmente chiedendosi dove e come l’organizzatore della cena si fosse procurato quelle cibarie dal “nemico”. L’incontro che doveva servire a rinsaldare ancor più gli stretti legami fra Fratelli Musulmani e la leadership degli integralisti palestinesi si è concluso in un’atmosfera fredda, tesa, imbarazzata.

Senza abbracci e senza strette di mano. La presunta integrità di Hamas, quella tanto sbandierata e rivendicata, ha subito un duro colpo … davanti a una tavola imbandita.

Scuto.blogautore.Repubblica

Source: La cena di Hamas | LiberaliPerIsraele | Il Cannocchiale blog (http://liberaliperisraele.ilcannocchiale.it/2010/06/26/la_cena_di_hamas.html) http://copycat.kodeware.net/16.png (http://copycat.kodeware.net)

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hakermatik

26-06-2010, 23:52

allora è vero che la popolazione palestinese non ha da mangiare. E perchè non tolgono il blocco allora?

dantes76

26-06-2010, 23:57

allora è vero che la popolazione palestinese non ha da mangiare. E perchè non tolgono il blocco allora?
shhh....
Attention, photos insoutenables ! Gaza affamée. (http://www.bivouac-id.com/2009/12/06/attention-photos-insoutenables-gaza-affamee/)

Par Yann (http://www.bivouac-id.com/author/yann/) le 6 décembre 2009

Parce qu’une image vaut mille mots, nous continuons nos séries de photos de Gaza, le « camp de concentration à ciel ouvert » de la logorrhée victimaire des Palestiniens, des mahométans et de leurs idiots utiles. Attention, ces photos insoutenables peuvent heurter la sensibilité des palestinomaniaques, et amener les crédules de bonne foi à remettre leurs certitudes en question.

Pendant que les adeptes du fascisme vert et leurs idiots utiles accaparent l’attention médiatique et l’aide financière internationale au bénéfice des Palestiniens, brisant tous les records d’aide par habitant, ailleurs des gens meurent - vraiment - de faim dans l’indifférence la plus complète. Pour information, la malnutrition frappe 1 milliard de personnes sur Terre (http://www.lefigaro.fr/conjoncture/2009/11/16/04016-20091116ARTFIG00331-la-faim-dans-le-monde-au-sommet-.php).

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Source: Attention, photos insoutenables ! Gaza affamée. (http://www.bivouac-id.com/2009/12/06/attention-photos-insoutenables-gaza-affamee/) http://copycat.kodeware.net/16.png (http://copycat.kodeware.net)

dantes76

26-06-2010, 23:59

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Attention, photos insoutenables ! Gaza, un camp de concentration à ciel ouvert. (http://www.bivouac-id.com/2009/06/16/attention-photos-insoutenables-gaza-un-camp-de-concentration-a-ciel-ouvert/)

Par Yann (http://www.bivouac-id.com/author/yann/) le 16 juin 2009

Parce qu’une image vaut mille mots, voici quelques photos de Gaza, le « camp de concentration à ciel ouvert » de la logorrhée victimaire des Palestiniens, des mahométans et de leurs idiots utiles. Attention, ces photos insoutenables peuvent heurter la sensibilité des palestinomaniaques, et amener les crédules de bonne foi à remettre leurs certitudes en question.

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Source: Attention, photos insoutenable... concentration à ciel ouvert. (http://www.bivouac-id.com/2009/06/16/attention-photos-insoutenables-gaza-un-camp-de-concentration-a-ciel-ouvert/) http://copycat.kodeware.net/16.png (http://copycat.kodeware.net)

ConteZero

26-06-2010, 23:59

allora è vero che la popolazione palestinese non ha da mangiare. E perchè non tolgono il blocco allora?

+ ma allora è vero che Hamas è culo e camicia con Israele.

In before Dantes ci spiegherà com'è che la popolazione palestinese (lo dice l'articolo che lui riporta :asd:) muore di fame ed invece i terrificanti leader di Hamas (quelli contro il quale, a parole, è rivolto l'embargo) non solo non hanno problemi a trovare il cibo, ma addirittura pasteggiano con derrate Made in Israel (ecché ora Israele fornisce il cibo ad Hamas e non alla popolazione?).

hakermatik

26-06-2010, 23:59

shhh....

ah ok...quindi non sono affamati. Allora perchè indignarsi per la cena??

dantes76

27-06-2010, 00:05

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dantes76

27-06-2010, 00:06

ah ok...quindi non sono affamati. Allora perchè indignarsi per la cena??

che c'e?? la rampicata libera non funziona piu??? chi si e' indignato?? hai letto l'articolo?? o vai a random??

dantes76

27-06-2010, 00:07

+ ma allora è vero che Hamas è culo e camicia con Israele.

In before Dantes ci spiegherà com'è che la popolazione palestinese (lo dice l'articolo che lui riporta :asd:) muore di fame ed invece i terrificanti leader di Hamas (quelli contro il quale, a parole, è rivolto l'embargo) non solo non hanno problemi a trovare il cibo, ma addirittura pasteggiano con derrate Made in Israel (ecché ora Israele fornisce il cibo ad Hamas e non alla popolazione?).

Egitto..mercato nero.. sicuramente non toverai ostriche a gaza..forse, ma nessuno muore di fame..
la popolazione di gaza il cibo c'e' l'ha..

dantes76

27-06-2010, 00:10

O gaza O gaza quanta miseria..
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dantes76

27-06-2010, 00:12

A circa 0:20 secondi i beoni avranno la risposta...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MpRhmDSKGU
dopo che gli aiuti entrano a gaza , HAMAS decide la distribuzione...

hakermatik

27-06-2010, 00:13

che c'e?? la rampicata libera non funziona piu??? chi si e' indignato?? hai letto l'articolo?? o vai a random??

si è indignato il tipo che ha lasciato la cena e se ne è andato dicendo "che la vergogna si abbatta su di voi"

dantes76

27-06-2010, 00:14

si è indignato il tipo che ha lasciato la cena e se ne è andato dicendo "che la vergogna si abbatta su di voi"

musulmani sono quelli.. azzo vuoi da me.. hamas gli avra' messo del buon vino rosso[lol] prodotto nel deserto Israeliano o del cibo kosher, guarda che dai tunnel al confine con l'egitto, passa di tutto, dalle armi a cibo raffinato.. i soldi girano a gaza, tu e gli altri bex vivente in un mondo irreale..

ConteZero

27-06-2010, 00:20

Egitto..mercato nero.. sicuramente non toverai ostriche a gaza..forse, ma nessuno muore di fame..
la popolazione di gaza il cibo c'e' l'ha..

Capisco i contorsionismi, ma che Hamas prenda dal mercato nero egiziano cibo made in Israele mi pare probabile quanto una donna con l'orchite.

PS: Dantes, spero che tu non te la prenda, ma non c'è alcuna prova che quelle siano foto di Gaza, e non c'è alcuna prova che siano foto recenti. Inoltre, se lo fossero, l'articolo da te postato (aka gigapostfail) sarebbe spazzatura :asd:

dantes76

27-06-2010, 00:21

da ilsole24ore
Fare profitti a Gaza con i black out

dall'inviato Roberto BongiorniCronologia articolo4 giugno 2010

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Questo articolo è stato pubblicato il 04 giugno 2010 alle ore 08:53.

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GAZA. I razzi, le guerre, l'embargo israeliano, le faide palestinesi... Ai fini del bilancio tutto ciò è quasi irrilevante. Comunque vadano le cose la Palestine electric company (Pec), l'unica centrale elettrica a Gaza, macina profitti anno dopo anno, distribuendo corposi dividendi. Nella tormentata Striscia di Gaza ci sono business remunerativi. L'esempio della Pec, società privata quotata alla borsa palestinese di Nablus, lo dimostra.

Qual è il segreto di tanto successo? Sharhabeel Y. al-Za'eem sorride. «Ci vuole un buon avvocato – risponde - capace di strappare un buon contratto. E io facevo parte del team dei legali che lo hanno creato». «Il nostro impianto – precisa Walid Salman, direttore esecutivo della Pec - ha una capacità produttiva di 140 megawatt al giorno. Il contratto prevede che l'Autorità palestinese (Ap) ci paghi ogni anno l'importo per questa quantità (28 milioni di dollari, Ndr). Volevamo essere anche gli acquirenti del diesel per far funzionare la centrale. Ma hanno insistito: ce ne occuperemo noi a garantire le forniture. Non ci sono problemi».

Problemi invece ce ne sono stati, eccome. Ma allora era il 1999, l'ascesa politica e militare del movimento islamico Hamas, nemico di Israele e oggi padrone assoluto della Striscia, ancora lontana. I termini del contratto siglato tra l'Ap e la Pec erano comunque così favorevoli da suscitare qualche sospetto. «La durata – continua al-Za'eem - è di 20 anni, si estinguerà nel 2023. Il capitale iniziale è stato di 150 milioni di dollari. Una quota del 33% in mano a businessman e compagnie palestinesi; un altro 33% andò alla società americana Enron, il resto delle azioni, collocato sulla Borsa di Nablus, è nelle mani dei piccoli azionisti». Dopo il fallimento della Enron una società sempre americana, la Morganti, rilevò la quota. Ma il gas, che doveva essere estratto nelle acque di Gaza, qui non è mai arrivato. Si decise quindi di alimentare la centrale, entrata in funzione a fine 2002, con il diesel. Da allora i pagamenti alla Pec arrivano regolarmente, come se producesse al massimo della sua capacità, 140 megawatt.

In teoria. Vuoi per l'embargo decretato da Israele dal 2006, vuoi per le lotte intestine tra Fatah e Hamas, il diesel per alimentare le turbine della centrale arriva a singhiozzo. Inoltre, «i nuovi trasformatori acquistati dopo il 2006 dall'Egitto producono meno di quelli originari. Risultato: la centrale produce oggi solo 25 megawatt (poco più di 1/6 della produzione per cui è pagata)», spiega sconsolato l'ingegnere Suheil I. Skeik. È lui il direttore generale della Gaza electricity distribution corporation (Gedco), la società semi-statale (50% all'Ap, 50% alla municipalità di Gaza) che ha l'ingrato compito di distribuire l'elettricità, riscuotere le bollette dagli utenti e trasferire il denaro raccolto all'Ap. Di grattacapi, Skeik, ne ha parecchi.

Non la Pec. Prendiamo gli ultimi anni: nel 2006 Hamas vince le elezioni e forma un governo ostile a Gerusalemme. Israele reagisce imponendo l'embargo. In giugno i miliziani palestinesi rapiscono il caporale israeliano Gilad Shalit. A Gaza piovono i razzi, otto colpiscono la centrale della Pec. Gaza City sprofonda nel buio per quattro mesi. «I razzi – continua Salman - hanno danneggiato i trasformatori, che appartengono all'Autorità palestinese, e non la centrale». Non è un dettaglio, anche se sono separati solo da 60 metri. «Immagino che sapessero bene che il 33% della centrale è in mano all'americana Morganti. Quando vogliono gli israeliani sanno essere precisi con le loro bombe», ironizza l'avvocato al-Za'eem.
Il 2006 si chiude con 7,4 milioni di dollari di profitti e sei di dividendi. Nel giugno del 2007, quando le milizie di Hamas annientano le forze di Fatah, divenendo padroni della Striscia, i dividendi della Pec sono di 3,6 milioni di dollari. Nel 2008 l'embargo si stringe, eppure il bilancio della Pec si chiude con profitti per 6,3 milioni di dollari e dividendi per 3,6. E l'ultimo bilancio, nel 2009, anno di grandi difficoltà a Gaza con sette milioni di dollari di utili e ben sei di dividendi su un fatturato di circa 28 milioni. Forse nessun'altra compagnia elettrica può vantare una tale redditività». Per al-Za'eem non c'è nulla di strano. «Noi siamo tenuti a garantire la manutenzione dell'impianto e i costi possono essere alti. Se solo fossimo in grado di ricevere la giusta quantità di diesel e se le linee elettriche fossero tutte riparate, noi potremmo produrre 140 megawatt. Il contratto non è favorevole, bensì corretto, considerando i rischi» precisa Walid Salman.

Chi non dorme sonni tranquilli è il direttore della società di distribuzione. «Il fabbisogno elettrico giornaliero nella Striscia è di 280 megawatt. Israele ne fornisce 120, dalla Pec ne arrivano solo 25-30, e 17 dall'Egitto. Conclusione: da due anni il deficit è del 40%. Tagliamo l'elettricità per almeno otto ore consecutive al giorno» ammette Skeik. Furiosi per i continui balck out, molti palestinesi si rifiutano di pagare la bolletta. Altro argomento dolente per Skeik: «Ogni mese distribuiamo elettricità per 13 milioni di dollari ma qui la gente è povera, il 60% non paga. Così riscuotiamo dagli utenti solo 4,5 milioni. Il nostro debito è salito a 720 milioni di dollari». E chi paga, allora? L'Autorità nazionale palestinese, obtorto collo.

In guerra aperta con Hamas, l'Ap, con sede a Ramallah, in Cisgiordania, nutre sospetti sulla trasparenza della Gedco ed esige che contribuisca al costo del diesel. Lo scorso 10 aprile ha così deciso di bloccare le spedizioni di carburante attraverso Israele. La centrale si è fermata, Gaza è sprofondata ancora una volta nel buio per due giorni. «O la Gedco non è efficiente nel riscuotere le bollette oppure parte del denaro va da qualche altra parte», si lamenta con il Sole 24 Ore il portavoce dell'Ap, Ghassan Khatib. «Vogliamo che la Gedco contribuisca in maggiore misura». Corre voce che Salam Fayyad, dal 2007 premier palestinese (e ministro delle finanze), apprezzato per la sua integrità, abbia cercato di rinegoziare i termini del contratto, invano. Anche perché Fayyad non può più contare sul sostegno economico della Ue, che dallo scorso novembre non paga più il diesel per far funzionare la centrale elettrica di Gaza. Christian Berger, l'alto rappresentante Ue a Gerusalemme ci spiega il perché: «Abbiamo finanziato 260 milioni di euro per l'acquisto di diesel dal 2006 a fine 2009. Complice la crisi finanziaria, abbiamo dovuto tagliare il budget per la Ap. E comunque non eravamo felici di pagare il diesel a una società privata che fa profitti senza produrre quanto dovrebbe!».
Chi ci rimette, alla fine, sono gli abitanti di Gaza che hanno imparato a convivere con i black out.

dantes76

27-06-2010, 00:21

Capisco i contorsionismi, ma che Hamas prenda dal mercato nero egiziano cibo made in Israele mi pare probabile quanto una donna con l'orchite.

non ti preoccupare puoi usare le ventose...

ConteZero

27-06-2010, 00:29

non ti preoccupare puoi usare le ventose...

Mi presti le tue ?

Deciditi, scegli se è vivo l'emisfero sinistro (quello di hamas che bivacca mentre i poveri palestinesi muoiono di fame) o quello destro (quello in cui a Gaza si vive meglio che a Rimini in alta stagione)...

PS: Come c'arrivo a quel resort ? Devo farmi dirottare via Israele ? :asd:

dantes76

27-06-2010, 00:35

Mi presti le tue ?

Deciditi, scegli se è vivo l'emisfero sinistro (quello di hamas che bivacca mentre i poveri palestinesi muoiono di fame) o quello destro (quello in cui a Gaza si vive meglio che a Rimini in alta stagione)...

no, ti presto quelle dei palestinesi.. piu' parli e scrivi, piu' ti fai male..
usa pure i cerotti..
l'articolo originale in palestinese.. i palestinesi non muoino di fame.. e hamas, voleva fare bella figura con qualche pietanza prelibata.. un po come il caviale iraniano..
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27-06-2010, 00:38

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عدسة وكالة "فلسطين اليوم" الاخبارية يحيي تمراز

Source: وكالة فلسطين الي...د الاضحى المبارك (http://www.paltoday.ps/arabic/News-64161.html) http://copycat.kodeware.net/16.png (http://copycat.kodeware.net)

ConteZero

27-06-2010, 00:43

dantes76

27-06-2010, 00:48

Scusa la domanda...

...ma se Hamas pasteggia allegramente e se è tutto un brulicante divertirsi e viver felici a Gaza...

...ma allora l'embargo a chi lo stanno a fare ? :asd:

PS: Sempre foto in cui non è possibile risalire a date e luoghi eh, mi raccomando.

l'embrago?? ah! quello che tu ha sempre chimato "affamare i palestinesi" tu l'hai sempre sostenuto.. io no, Isreale fa passare tutti i beni di prima necessita', che siano viveri, che siano medicinali, non si puo' uccidire e affamare un popolo..
come TU hai sempre sostenuto, la terra sotto i piedi non manca a me, io non ho mai sostenuto che Israele stesse affamando i palestinesi, ricordi? le discussioni su Israele che affamava i palestinesi..
ma non ti preoccupare.. ci sta il 3d dove si vede come hamas tratta i palestinesi.. l'ho uppato.. esenza ventose, ha!! dimenticavo.. ci stanno le foto del roots club.. quanta fame e miseria..
quelle del roots club sono rintracciabili.. come le altre, se tu avessi visitato il link, ti saresti accorto che ci stanno tutti i recapiti..
l'embargo verso gaza non consiste nell'affamare nessuno.. consiste nel maggior controllo delle emrci, e nel fatto che le merci non entrano liberamente..

ps: dai tunnel passaono tv color che siano crt, lcd o plasma, elettrodomestici..parti di ricmbio specifiche per attrezzatura agricola.. motori di grossa cilindrata.. non interi naturalmente, vestiti di marca.. armi..

qui c'e' la mail, a me hanno risposto in inglese, citando il riferimento, ovvero la data e ho messo pure il link, dell'articolo..
info@paltoday.ps

ConteZero

27-06-2010, 00:50

l'embrago?? ah! quello che tu ha sempre chimato "affamare i palestinesi" tu l'hai sempre sostenuto.. io no, Isreale fa passare tutti i beni di prima necessita', che siano viveri, che siano medicinali, non si puo' uccidire e affamare un popolo..
come TU hai sempre sostenuto, la terra sotto i piedi non manca a me, io non ho mai sostenuto che Israele stesse affamando i palestinesi, ricordi? le discussioni su Israele che affamava i palestinesi..
ma non ti preoccupare.. ci sta il 3d dove si vede come hamas tratta i palestinesi.. l'ho uppato.. esenza ventose, ha!! dimenticavo.. ci stanno le foto del roots club.. quanta fame e miseria..

ps: dai tunnel passaono tv color che siano crt, lcd o plasma, parti di ricmbio specifiche per attrezzatura agricola.. motori di grossa cilinadrata.. non interi naturalmente, vestiti di marca.. armi..

Parliamo della stessa Israele che non voleva far passare i maccheroni (e s'è dovuto muovere Obama e la Clinton) ?
La stessa Israele che tiene fuori dalla lista dei "generi permessi" anche i succhi di frutta ?

Si si, bravo, continua...

dantes76

27-06-2010, 00:53

Parliamo della stessa Israele che non voleva far passare i maccheroni (e s'è dovuto muovere Obama e la Clinton) ?
La stessa Israele che tiene fuori dalla lista dei "generi permessi" anche i succhi di frutta ?

Si si, bravo, continua...
tu continua.. lol i maccheroni.. i palestinesi stavano morendo di fame..perche' non passavano i maccheroni?
ahhuahuauahhu :asd:
minchia quanti maccheroni sulle bancherelle.. tutti tristi perche' non ci stanno i maccheroni a gaza.. :mc:

rileggiti..

ps: non sostenere cose che dopo non puoi dimostrare, come hai fatto sempre, che dopo fai il botto cadendo, e ti fai male... i succhi di frutta? ahuahuahuahuhuahuahu

te ne dico un'altra: a gaza manca l'acqua dal settembre 2008..huahuahuahuahuhuahum, tutti morti gli 11.000 palestinesi senza acqua dal 2008.. ma la tragedia maggiore E', come cazzo hanno fatto i palestinesi a vivere senza maccheronoooo e senza succolo di fruttolaaa??? :asd:

ps: e dopo che embrago sarebbe.... come hai detto tu, deciditi.. i maccheroni, i succhi di frutta..
l'oro?? ci sta l'oro a gaza?? ne passa dai tunnel?? cazzo vuoi da me, se i palestinesi, chiedono piu' oro che succhi di frutta.. li devono spendere sti poveracci, ste centinaia di milioni di euro che gli arrivano ogni anno.. :asd:

Maxmel

27-06-2010, 01:01

sei stato in vacanza a gaza?

dantes76

27-06-2010, 01:06

sei stato in vacanza a gaza?

essendo ateo, e vedendo il trattamento riservato a gli stessi musulmani, non ci andrei nemmeno se potessi, detto questo, nessuno sostiene che a agaza ci sia il paradiso, basti bedere il video dove le donne fanno il bagno con il burqua, o le mazzate che si prendono i palestinesi da hamas.. quindi fattene una ragione di vita, nessuno muore di fame come invece ampiamente sostenuto, falsamente sostenuto, e dopo i campi giochi per ragazzi.. distrutti a gaza, sicuramente saranno stati distrutti da Israele..

i succhi i fruttaaaa!!!! o maccuruniiiiiiii!!! chi vacanza E'???!?!?!?!??

dantes76

27-06-2010, 01:09

O' MACCARUNI CHI MILINCIANI!!!! O' SUCCO I FRUTTA!!! A VACANZA!!!
Gaza : Le marché de l’or - Une nouvelle série de photos (http://www.bivouac-id.com/2010/06/18/gaza-le-marche-de-lor-une-nouvelle-serie-de-photos/)

Par tnr (http://www.bivouac-id.com/author/tnr/) le 18 juin 2010

http://i48.tinypic.com/207qbua.jpg

En mars dernier Bivouac-ID avait publié un billet sur le florissant commerce de l’or à Gaza… (lire ici (http://www.bivouac-id.com/2010/03/12/le-commerce-de-lor-fleurit-a-gaza-malgre-lembargo-israelien/)) Hier le site Paltoday a mis en ligne plusieurs nouvelles photos du souk de l’or dans ce camp de concentration à ciel ouvert où l’achat de l’or a augmenté de 20 % au cours des trois dernières années…

Voici donc pour vous les meilleures images :

http://i50.tinypic.com/29yi884.jpg

http://i47.tinypic.com/2na05sg.jpg

http://i46.tinypic.com/xn9do9.jpg

http://i46.tinypic.com/4l6ihx.jpg

http://i49.tinypic.com/2gy9aqb.jpg

http://i50.tinypic.com/5cxbo3.jpg

SOURCE : Paltoday (http://www.paltoday.ps/arabic/)

Source: Gaza : Le marché de l’or - Une nouvelle série de photos (http://www.bivouac-id.com/2010/06/18/gaza-le-marche-de-lor-une-nouvelle-serie-de-photos/) http://copycat.kodeware.net/16.png (http://copycat.kodeware.net)

Maxmel

27-06-2010, 01:10

. quindi fattene una ragione di vita, nessuno muore di fame come invece ampiamente sostenuto, falsamente sostenuto, e dopo i campi giochi per ragazzi.. distrutti a gaza, sicuramente saranno stati distrutti da Israele..

i succhi i fruttaaaa!!!! o maccuruniiiiiiii!!! chi vacanza E'???!?!?!?!??

uhmmm si hai ragione.

ConteZero

27-06-2010, 01:11

essendo ateo, e vedendo il trattamento riservato a gli stessi musulmani, non ci andrei nemmeno se potessi, detto questo, nessuno sostiene che a agaza ci sia il paradiso, basti bedere il video dove le donne fanno il bagno con il burqua, o le mazzate che si prendono i palestinesi da hamas.. quindi fattene una ragione di vita, nessuno muore di fame come invece ampiamente sostenuto, falsamente sostenuto, e dopo i campi giochi per ragazzi.. distrutti a gaza, sicuramente saranno stati distrutti da Israele..

i succhi i fruttaaaa!!!! o maccuruniiiiiiii!!! chi vacanza E'???!?!?!?!??

Sarai anche ateo, ma sei islamofobico.
E non è che perché Israele ha i costumi più occidentali ha per forza ragione ed i palestinesi, perché per sfiga loro sono musulmani, hanno sempre torto.

dantes76

27-06-2010, 01:14

fa piacere che avete deviato, anche perche' vi e' crollato qualcosa sotto i peidi? A VACANZA... O' MACCURUNI!! O SUCCO I FRUTTAAAA!!

IO ISLAMOFOBICO COME HAMAS COME HAMAS!! CI STA UN 3D SULLE MAZZATE CHE HAMAS DISTRIBUISCE.. E TU MANCO CI SEI ENTRATO, ALLORA LO PORTO QUI, CLICCA SUL LINK ALLA FINE E GODITI IL VIDEO DEGLI ISLAMOFOBICI DI HAMAS..

Gaza : prière dans les rues , le Hamas intervient immédiatement [Vidéo] (http://www.bivouac-id.com/2010/06/22/gaza-priere-dans-les-rues-le-hamas-intervient-immediatement/)

Par Melba (http://www.bivouac-id.com/author/melba/) le 22 juin 2010

Le Hamas à Gaza ne tolère pas les prières musulmanes en pleine rue.

Oh, certainement pas pour les mêmes raisons que les nôtres, mais il est tout de même intéressant de constater que ces prières en extérieur sont organisées avec l’intention manifeste de s’engager dans un rapport de force avec l’autorité.

Le Hamas le sait et, toute affaire cessante, vient immédiatement régler le problème à sa manière avec la délicatesse que nous lui connaîssons.

La scène se passe dans un faubourg de Gaza, au moment ou des musulmans se réunissent devant une mosquée à l’heure de la prière du vendredi. Pour protester contre le Hamas, ils envahissent la rue avec leurs tapis, un peu comme à Paris mais seulement la police du Hamas arrive et les pieux musulmans sont sauvagement frappés.

Toutefois, cela n’empêchera pas les musulmans en Europe de continuer à manifester dans les rues en soutien au Hamas.

Source : Drzz Info (http://www.drzz.info/article-en-video-une-solution-aux-prieres-dans-les-rues-de-la-goutte-d-or-par-jean-patrick-grumberg-52723256.html)

Signalé par Guylaine et Joba.

Source: Gaza : prière dans les rues ,...rvient immédiatement [Vidéo] (http://www.bivouac-id.com/2010/06/22/gaza-priere-dans-les-rues-le-hamas-intervient-immediatement/) http://copycat.kodeware.net/16.png (http://copycat.kodeware.net)

Maxmel

27-06-2010, 01:18

dantes76

27-06-2010, 01:21

mi sa che l'unica cosa che ha deviato è la tua mente considerando come posti.
Comunque http://www.ansa.it/web/notizie/rubriche/topnews/2010/06/20/visualizza_new.html_1844615599.html
Per il resto ci sono ben altre foto di quello che Israele ha combinato a Gaza ma figurati se ha senso postarle qui. Passo e chiudo.

togliere l'emebrago su alcuni prodotti, significa che quei prodotti passerano senza rallentamenti.. e con meno controlli, ma prima passavano lo stesso..soo che il tutto era sottoposto a suddivisione epr categorie di merci e al tipo di domanda.. MA NESSUNO STAVA MORENDO DI FAME:
tu ti sei fatto deviare la mente, non io, nemmeno davanti all'evidenza, la vostra mente riesce piu' a vedere la realta'..

tie', pigghiati sto genocidio, per mancanza di succhi di frutta e maccuruna..
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_KLHV_v9iaBc/S_x7qbXVyBI/AAAAAAAABL8/1J5atVQEZko/web-image-f1821ebe9ebc40d267d86d05aad2138c.jpg

redsith

27-06-2010, 01:38

dantes76

27-06-2010, 01:41

Io ho capito solo che nei mercati solitamente si usa avere una grande quantità di cibarie raccolte tutte insieme, perchè poi passerà tanta gente e molti compreranno qualcosa :stordita:
Però mi fa un po' sorridere che dalle foto di un mercato si deduca automaticamente la ricchezza e prosperità di una popolazione...

no, nessuno deduce automaticamente niente.. quelle foto, e non solo,ma anche i video, pure i locali, sono la rispsota a chi parla di genocidio, a chi aprla di ISraele che affama i palestinesi, a chi paragona l'assedio di Stalingrado a quello di gaza.. abbi pieta' pure tu'.. capisco che sia difficile.. ma nessuno affama nessuno, tranne hamas, ricordo sempre che una volta dentro le merci, sono controlalte da Hamas, lo stesso hamas, che HA RIFITUATO GLI AITI PORTATI CON LA FRATTAGLIA UMANA, che sono stati respinti.. non li ha respinti Israele..

dantes76

27-06-2010, 01:52

Stalingrado
http://www.uncp.edu/home/rwb/stalingrad2.jpg
http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/32544-1/11132690
http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/310610-2/stalingrad_dead_german_invaders2
http://www.irintech.com/x1/images/jean/stalingrad_after_ww2.jpg

vomitevole e meschino, vile oltre che falso,e irriverente verso i morti di stalingrado, civili e militari.. ma vista la persona non potrebbe essere altrimenti, l'accostare gaza a stalingrado.. accostamento fatto da un certo utente sul forum..

redsith

27-06-2010, 01:57

dantes76

27-06-2010, 02:12

Non conosco le reali condizioni del popolo palestinese, bisognerebbe andare li e vedere le cose con i propri occhi. Le notizie che si hanno dalle zone di conflitto sono sempre filtrate dalla propaganda di una o dell'altra parte.
Quindi delle foto di cibo non mi impressionano come non mi impressionano le foto di gente disperata, magari la verità sta nel mezzo.
Immagino che anche li ci sia chi se la cava, chi ha i soldi e compra le cose al mercato nero e chi è nella merdissima...

ma non e' stalingrado, non c'e nessun genocidio, e nessun popolo sta morendo di fame, mai affermato che sia il paradiso, semmai altri hanno affermato con certezza assoluta che gaza fosse come stalingrado, che a gaza si stesse attuando un genocidio, che a gaza si morisse di fame..
per la propaganda, permettimi, l'unica propganda che ha portato a fare certi paragone, e stata quella palestinese..

LaBride

27-06-2010, 04:44

Dai andiamo di foto, che è divertente:

http://labattagliasoda.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/gaza.jpg
http://mm.aftenbladet.no/multimedia/dynamic/00263/gaza-dod_263290b.jpg
http://www.sinistra-democratica.it/files/images/image/gaza12.jpg
http://altocasertano.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/gaza_5_resize.jpg
http://mattiafl.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/gaza-house.jpg
http://mragnedda.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/gaza31.jpg
http://djiin.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/gaza-2008-children.jpg
http://sheikyermami.com/wp-content/uploads/gaza_1227.jpg

però hanno i gioiellieri, le spiagge e le arance dai fruttivendoli, quindi stanno benissimo, di che si lamentano :)

Maxmel

27-06-2010, 04:52

edita. ci sono imaggini forti senza nessun avviso... Sono di facile reperibilità, per altro. Tanto chi si ostina non cambierà idea non ne vale la pena...

ZonaDopa

27-06-2010, 07:12

Dai tunnel passa il resto per questo giustamente Israele li bombarda e visto che qualcuno ama giocare con le foto se volete posto qualche fotina di hamas e i suoi amici missili

LaBride

27-06-2010, 08:06

edita. ci sono imaggini forti senza nessun avviso... Sono di facile reperibilità, per altro. Tanto chi si ostina non cambierà idea non ne vale la pena...
Ma che edito, qua la gente "edita" il mondo provando a far passare le foto di gioiellieri e bancarelle di frutta come un "va tutto bene", ma stiamo scherzando. Foto del genere messe con questo scopo sono vergognose. Vanno al mare, e allora? Se vivi in una condizione di assedio, discriminazione, terrore, sottomissione, eccetera, devi stare a casa a non fare niente tutto il giorno con la faccia triste? E se vai al mare e/o vendi gioielli significa che stai benissimo e quale assedio. Questo. Bombe, bimbi morti, sangue, macerie. E si, postate i missili, postate passi del corano che giustificano quello che vi pare, ma guardate pure le foto di bambini morti, che tanto lo so che vi piacciono - meno un mussulmano in meno, evvai!

ZonaDopa

27-06-2010, 08:20

Evvai di buonismo alla buona domenica style, Hamas santo subito!

mixkey

27-06-2010, 08:53

Evvai di buonismo alla buona domenica style, Hamas santo subito!

Hamas e' una persona?

ConteZero

27-06-2010, 08:56

Dai tunnel passa il resto per questo giustamente Israele li bombarda e visto che qualcuno ama giocare con le foto se volete posto qualche fotina di hamas e i suoi amici missili

Quei terrificanti missili che in nove anni hanno fatto meno vittime di quanto ha fatto "piombo fuso" in tre settimane.

A capitolo "il senso delle proporzioni".

ZonaDopa

27-06-2010, 09:19

Hamas e' una persona?

È uno che vuole tanto bene al suo popolo e a israele :D

mixkey

27-06-2010, 09:21

È uno che vuole tanto bene al suo popolo e a israele :D

Hamas e' un'organizazione, non e' uno!

dantes76

27-06-2010, 11:16

Hamas e' un'organizazione, non e' uno!

di terroristi, e non perche' lo dico io, ma perche' lo dice hamas stesso

mixkey

27-06-2010, 11:20

di terroristi, e non perche' lo dico io, ma perche' lo dice hamas stesso

Non lo nego ma conosco piu' di una persona che pensa che Hamas sia un individuo.

dantes76

27-06-2010, 11:23

:)
apparte che alcune foto, oltre che estrapolate dal loro contesto, ovvero alcuni morti, sono stati causata da hamas stesso, ad esempio nel 2006 hamas durante una festa con dei carri allegorici, teneva dellì'esplosivo all'interno di esi, uno esplose, facendo varie vittime fra la popolazione..
tie', solo quella faccina ti restera'...
The Reuters Photo Scandal

A Taxonomy of Fraud

A comprehensive overview of the four types of photo fraud committed by Reuters, August, 2006

The recent discovery that the Reuters news agency released a digitally manipulated photograph as an authentic image of the bombing in Beirut has drawn attention to the important topic of bias in the media. But lost in the frenzy over one particular image is an even more devastating fact: that over the last week Reuters has been caught red-handed in an astonishing variety of journalistic frauds in the photo coverage of the war in Lebanon.

This page serves as an overview of the various types of hoaxes, lies and other deceptions perpetrated by Reuters in recent days, since the details of the scandal are getting overwhelmed by a torrent of shallow mainstream media coverage that can easily confuse or mislead the viewer. Almost all of the investigative work has been done by cutting-edge blogs, but the proliferation of exposés might overwhelm the casual Web-surfer, who might be getting the various related scandals mixed up. In this essay I hope to straighten it all out.

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It's important to understand that there is not just a single fraudulent Reuters photograph, nor even only one kind of fraudulent photograph. There are in fact dozens of photographs whose authenticity has been questioned, and they fall into four distinct categories.

The four types of photographic fraud perpetrated by Reuters photographers and editors are:

http://www.zombietime.com/1mini.jpg

1. Digitally manipulating images after the photographs have been taken.

http://www.zombietime.com/2mini.jpg

2. Photographing scenes staged by Hezbollah and presenting the images as if they were of authentic spontaneous news events.

http://www.zombietime.com/3mini.jpg

3. Photographers themselves staging scenes or moving objects, and presenting photos of the set-ups as if they were naturally occurring.

http://www.zombietime.com/4mini.jpg

4. Giving false or misleading captions to otherwise real photos that were taken at a different time or place.

All of these forms of fraud have the same intent: to serve as propaganda for Hezbollah, and to make the Israeli attacks look as brutal as possible. And, taken together, they raise a very serious question: Can any of the coverage by the entrenched media be trusted?

The ever-growing scandal now involves other news services as well; at the bottom of this page are numerous examples of bias and fraud by other agencies, including Associated Press, The New York Times, and others.

Let's examine each type of fraud, with the photographic evidence itself:

1. Digitally manipulating images after the photographs have been taken.

This is what has been getting the majority of coverage in the media, because it is the most clear-cut -- even if the actual significance or newsworthiness of the photos involved is not particularly great.

http://www.zombietime.com/20060805BeirutP.jpg

This is the fraudulent photo that has gotten by far the most coverage. This hoax was first exposed on August 5 by Little Green Footballs (http://copycat.kodeware.net/r/63b2ca7563b32f679255449b01af45942b9a48e8), when a reader named "Mike" pointed out the photo to LGF's Charles Johnson, who incontrovertibly demonstrated that the image had been altered using the Photoshop "clone" tool. For more info, click on the link above; this case has also been covered extensively throughout the mediasphere.

http://www.zombietime.com/20060806BeirutP.jpg

This is an untouched version of the original photo before it was digitally altered. Reuters released it on August 6 when they admitted the doctored photo was indeed fraudulent, and announced they were no longer going to work with Adnan Hajj, the photographer who had Photoshopped the image. No word on what punishment the editors who released the obviously fake photo to the world would receive. Hajj used the Photoshop "clone" tool to copy portions of the smoke-column and repeatedly paste it into the sky, to make the smoke look larger and darker -- though his manipulations really didn't change the effect of the photo to any great degree. His claims that he accidentally added the extra smoke when he was merely trying to remove some dust flecks from the picture are so absurd as to barely even merit comment.

http://www.zombietime.com/NEWS03080601.jpg

The other instance of digital photo doctoring was discovered by Rusty Shackleford at The Jawa Report (http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/184206.php) on August 6. The original Reuters caption for this photo was "An Israeli F-16 warplane fires missiles during an air strike on Nabatiyeh in southern Lebanon." As Shackleford pointed out, first of all, those are not missiles depicted in the photo -- they're defensive flares. But more importantly, the photo had been doctored to show three flares, when in fact there had only been one.

http://www.zombietime.com/fighter_org_big.jpg

This image, also shown on the Jawa Report, demonstrates that the clone tool had again been used to copy portions of the photo and paste them in repeatedly elsewhere. In this case, the trails of one flare were copied and lengthened to make it look like there had been three flares. Click on the link above for a detailed explanation and several more photos proving the case. The photo-hoaxster in this instance was again Adnan Hajj, proving beyond doubt that he was very familiar with how to alter images in Photoshop. Ynet News (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3287774,00.html) featured an article on this photo manipulation as well.

After the public outcry over the obviously fake photos, Reuters fired Adnan Hajj and pulled all his photos from distribution (http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/08/07/reuters.photog.reut/index.html), admitting that both (http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/184216.php) photos were doctored. They made no mention of how or why their editors allowed fake photos to be released as real news, perhaps hoping that the firing of Hajj would put an end to the scandal. But Photoshopping images was only one of several ways in which Reuters has committed journalistic fraud during the war in Lebanon.

2. Photographing scenes staged by Hezbollah and presenting the images as if they were of authentic spontaneous news events.

This is where the Reuters scandal started: with bloggers noticing that some of the images showing the aftermath of the July 30 air raid on Qana looked fishy. There are by now dozens of different photographs from that day whose authenticity has been seriously questioned, so all I can present here is a small representative sample.

http://www.zombietime.com/Reuters_qana.jpg

The first series that raised suspicions was this one, pointed out at many blogs, of a green-helmeted "rescue worker" who seems to parade around with the corpse of a child for an extended period of time. The blog EU Referendum (http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2006/07/milking-it.html) had the most complete photo series compilation, showing that each image individually might be accepted as an unposed authentic news photo, but that when one considers all the photos taken that day by Reuters, AP, and Agence France Presse, it becomes obvious that the entire scene was some kind of gruesome theater performance, apparently with actors posing as rescue workers parading around with a few corpses, seemingly posing for the cameras instead of evacuating the bodies as efficiently as possible.

http://www.zombietime.com/Reuters_Qana_02.jpg

EU Referendum pointed out that if the time stamps on the photos are taken at face value, then the rescue operation becomes even more farcical, with bodies unnecessarily put on display for hours, though the news agencies later claimed that the time stamps do not necessarily reflect the actual time each photo was taken. Lost in the argument over this detail is the fact that the photos were widely doubted even before the time stamp issue, and that even a casual glance at the photo series from Reuters and the other agencies reveals that, in whatever order they were taken, the images seem to reveal at the very least a partly staged scenario, in which unprofessional "rescue workers" seem more concerned with how they and the bodies appear on camera than they do with conducting an actual rescue operation. These doubts were compounded when additional photos of the mysterious "Green Helmet Guy" (or "Mr. Green Helmet" as he's sometimes called) were found from other rescue operations in other parts of Lebanon (such as here (http://copycat.kodeware.net/r/62fa68cd2266b7ac2d8b6996c60bef87a5fe3800), for example), at which he similarly seemed to pose for the camera. Many bloggers speculated that he is in fact a Hezbollah "set designer" and media relations officer whose job is to milk maximum propaganda value from each photo opportunity, with the cooperation of willing photographers, who must witness his shenanigans in person, but not report on them.

However, on August 9, the ruse was completely unmasked by the TV newsmamagazine "Zapp" on the German NDR television network, which aired video of Green Helmet Guy acting as a movie director and staging propaganda photos and videos (http://copycat.kodeware.net/r/8f5e1dad5bd8b2028a2a63f34362d3615797e255) while pretending to be a rescue worker. After the video was posted online, most leading bloggers (such as at Little Green Footballs (http://copycat.kodeware.net/r/7ae20a1c4f79e22acc9147d641285e2c17499cd6)) felt the evidence was now absolutely conclusive that Hezbollah was staging most of the imagery coming out of Lebanon.

The German news site Bild uncovered pictures of Green Helmet Guy staging similar gruesome propaganda shots in 1996 (http://www.bild.t-online.de/BTO/news/aktuell/2006/08/05/hisbollah-krieg-bilder/hisbollah-krieg-bilder.html), as The Jawa Report noted (http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/184264.php), proving he's been at this business for quite some time.

Ynet News had an excellent article (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3284546,00.html) summarizing the different aspects of the Qana photo opportunity.

Incredibly, in response to the initial questions about the Qana pictures, Reuters issued a statement that completely denied any of its photos were staged (http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L06301298.htm), stating, "Reuters and other news organisations reviewed those images and have all rejected allegations that the photographs were staged." But their denial has fallen on deaf ears in the blogosphere, as more and more seemingly staged photos are discovered every day.

3. Photographers themselves staging scenes or moving objects, and presenting photos of the set-ups as if they were naturally occurring.

Many bloggers have stated that some photo-stringers in Lebanon are not merely willing dupes for Hezbollah propagandists, but occasionally even participate in the staging of scenes themselves. Though this form of fraud is much more difficult to prove, several examples have cropped up of vignettes that just seemed "too good to be true" for them to be naturally occurring scenes.

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This Reuters image, for example, which was found in various (http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/photo/2006-08/01/content_654163.htm) media (http://copycat.kodeware.net/r/b2fb68467e899348a5dfb7a4d28a2dbb1c9f07a3) outlets (http://bagelblogger.blogspot.com/2006/08/welcome-to-hezbollywood-new-industry.html), came with this caption: "A mannequin adorned with a wedding dress stands near the site of an Israeli air raid in Qana July 31, 2006, where more than 54 women and children were killed a day earlier. REUTERS/Sharif Karim (LEBANON)." C'mon -- an explosion large enough to knock down a building happened just a few yards away, and an entire day has passed with hundreds of rescuers and media members and everyone else running around, and after all that, a mannequin in a wedding dress is discovered standing right next to the bomb site, as if posing in front of the wreckage? And that no one noticed it until then? A much more likely explanation is that the photographer -- or someone helping him -- found the mannequin elsewhere, and placed it exactly where he wanted for that "perfect shot."

Yahoo also had in its news photos this picture (http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20060809/i/r1642401304.jpg) of yet another Lebanese mannequin amazingly upright in the middle of destruction.

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As was pointed out on the Ace of Spades blog (http://ace.mu.nu/archives/189537.php) among others, this burning Quran, supposedly ignited by Israeli missiles -- also miraculously captured by Adnan Hajj of Reuters -- is almost certainly a staged scene. The odds of any book -- much less a Quran -- bursting into flame hours after an air strike, right when a photographer was there to snap its picture, are rather slim. Since stories of desecrated Qurans have gotten so much media play in the past, it seems as if the Reuters photographer arranged the exact kind off iconic image he knew would arouse outrage in the Muslim world.

Dozens of blogs have pointed out similar questions about other artificial-seeming scenes that smacked of the photographers' handiwork. The most comical of these is "The Passion of the Toys (http://www.slublog.com/archives/2006/08/the_passion_of.html)" at Slublog:

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All of these pictures were taken by Reuters photographers in Lebanon, except for the first Mickey Mouse image which was taken by an AP photographer. While it may be possible that these photographers all just happened to stumble on toys and stuffed animals perfectly positioned for maximum emotive response, the cumulative effect of all the pictures together (along with others visible on Slublog) suggests that some if not all of the photographers moved the toys to be better positioned for a good photo. Several readers have also written in to point out how new, clean and undamaged the toys look -- unlikely, if they had all just been in an explosion.

But this is not a definitely conclusive example of fraud -- it's almost impossible to prove that a photographer moved an object to his benefit. Instead, the images just feel faked.

Ace of Spades (http://ace.mu.nu/archives/189882.php) has some more pictures of the ubiquitous Lebanese toys.

Many readers alerted me to this Free Republic post (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1681977/posts) which purports to show a man distributing toys amidst the rubble, confirming the staging. The same photos were posted in The Tampa Bay Primer (http://copycat.kodeware.net/r/c9b2d8f774a00c1219ce373e703be390a9813257). However, if the sequence of the photos is reversed, he could just as easily be collecting the toys and putting them into the suitcase -- which is exactly what the captions for the original photos claimed here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/12011945@N00/201749864/in/set-72157594217113795/) and here (http://copycat.kodeware.net/r/4f032b3f69ec044bb56cad0f3457dc0bb0cf2043). In this instance I agree with Hot Air (http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/11/the-passion-of-the-toys-part-ii/) that this sequence of photos don't prove that the man was distributing the toys, because we don't really know in what order the photos were taken. Pending further evidence, we'll have to set these photos aside. It is worth noting, however, how remarkably clean all the toys are, considering they supposedly have been rescued from a destroyed building. UPDATE: Reader "Don R." writes to say, "There's another point that's even stranger - sort of an elephant-in-the-room thing: I can understand gathering your kids' toys from your demolished house, AMONG OTHER THINGS. But I can't imagine coming back, filling my suitcase *only* with cute stuffed toys, then leaving. What, this guy had no grown-up mementoes? Nothing of sentimental value other than Minnie Mouse and friends? This does seem odd - and in that context, I would lean towards the interpretation that the guy was indeed *unloading* toys rather than gathering them." Great point!

Source: Reuters Photo Fraud (http://www.zombietime.com/reuters_photo_fraud/) http://copycat.kodeware.net/16.png (http://copycat.kodeware.net)

dantes76

27-06-2010, 11:25

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Strata-Sphere (http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/2201) also has a mini-roundup of photos possibly staged by photographers, including this "too perfect" image of a schoolgirl's pristine photo lying on the rubble of a mosque destroyed in Qana (http://copycat.kodeware.net/r/eaba3052d7d5666e8b1fa39dd961d40def57ee7d).

4. Giving false or misleading captions to otherwise real photos that were taken at a different time or place.

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Power Line (http://powerlineblog.com/archives/014919.php) again drew attention to another form of photojournalistic fraud, this time possibly committed by the Reuters editors themselves. This photo, as Power Line pointed out, was captioned, ""Journalists are shown by a Hizbollah guerrilla group the damage caused by Israeli attacks on a Hizbollah stronghold in southern Beirut, July 24 2006. (Adnan Hajj/Reuters)." But look at the next photo below.

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Here, the caption says, "A Lebanese woman looks at the sky as she walks past a building flattened during an overnight Israeli air raid on Beirut's suburbs August 5, 2006. (Adnan Hajj/Reuters)." But a cursory glance shows that it's the exact same destroyed buildings in both photos. If they were already destroyed on July 24, they couldn't have been destroyed on August 5, especially since the damage is identical in both pictures. It's quite obvious that photos of the same scene were re-released to make it appear as if Israeli bombing raids were continuously hitting Beirut, when in fact Reuters was just recycling the same damage over and over.

Further demolishing the credibility of this photograph is yet a different image of the same woman (http://news.yahoo.com/photo/060805/photos_us_rank_afp/90232a6293cf04a3eac2b92455b8a85f;_ylt=ApIDWKf02DhfjrD2SNOD_aSuj7gF;_ylu=X3oDMTBia2Jza2VjBHNlYwNnYWxsZXJ5) by AFP, this time "inspecting the destruction," in a scene in which she is obviously cooperating with the photographer -- contradicting the implication of the Reuters photo in which she is supposed to be just a passerby.

Yet, as was revealed in this article on The Shape of Days site (http://theshapeofdays.com/2006/08/a_photojournalist_weighs_in_on_the_adnan.html), captions for news photos are mostly written by the editorial staff, with the photographer supplying only the basic facts. It was up to the Reuters editors to properly caption this photo, and if it was misattributed, it is entirely their responsibility.

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Hang on! As revealed on Little Green Footballs (http://copycat.kodeware.net/r/c9dadc2e1db95cb82b85c3338692e9915963b7f1) once again, the building was already destroyed as of July 18, according to this picture at Getty Images (http://copycat.kodeware.net/r/079175ba8022da1190d35d74f92cbeeb49b9c80c), which captioned it, "A press photographer takes pictures of the devastated southern Beirut suburbs of Dahyieh Junibiya, 18 July 2006."

So, a building that was demolished before July 18 was recycled again and again as "fresh" damage committed by Israel.

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In the next example, as discovered by the Drinking from Home blog (http://drinkingfromhome.blogspot.com/2006/08/extreme-makeover-beirut-edition.html), a Lebanese woman somehow had her house destroyed twice, two weeks apart, by the Israelis. In this first photo, Reuters claims (http://copycat.kodeware.net/r/191841a8fb0a18a349bac514d007078fc15087ba), "A Lebanese woman wails after looking at the wreckage of her apartment, in a building that was demolished by the Israeli attacks in southern Beirut July 22, 2006. REUTERS/Issam Kobeisi."

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But wait! Here she is again (http://copycat.kodeware.net/r/0e046a15072b2384c0cd247affdf7b579cfce6d8), in a photo supplied by AP: "A Lebanese woman reacts at the destruction after she came to inspect her house in the suburbs of Beirut, Lebanon, Saturday, Aug. 5, 2006, after Israeli warplanes repeatedly bombed the area overnight." As Drinking from Home points out, it's definitely the same woman. The photo captions, supplied by two different news agencies, contradict each other: one says her home was destroyed on July 22, the other on August 5. Which leads one to question whether the woman had anything to do with the building at all, or if she was just asked to pose in front of it for drama's sake. Either way, the editor's captions are necessarily untrue, since her home obviously couldn't have been demolished twice. The photos may or may not be authentic, but at least one of the captions is a falsehood. Ynet News (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3288406,00.html) also featured an article about the discrepancy.

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A zombietime reader named Paul writes in to say that this photo (http://www.spectator.co.uk/cartoons/23874/display-cartoon.thtml) that appeared on the cover of the July 22 edition of the London magazine The Spectator (http://www.spectator.co.uk/archive/) as an illustration for this article (http://www.spectator.co.uk/archive/features/23874/the-islamists-are-winning.thtml) seems to shows the exact same woman yet again, wailing for the third time over a completely different destroyed home. (It appeared on the cover of the Socialist Worker (http://www.zombietime.com/DSC01380.jpg) as well.)

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A close-up of the somewhat low-resolution image appears to faintly show the distinctive scar on the woman's left cheek, confirming it is her despite the different outfit. As Paul writes, "Once again we see the -- unmistakable -- eyebrowless Wailing Woman coming home only to find her third Beirut apartment destroyed. Different location of course, and this time she is wearing an up-market outfit: aqua silk scarf, checked coat, sling bag over her shoulder and holding car keys. She has apparently just got out of her car, seen the damage, slung the bag over her shoulder -- as you do when you discover your apartment is no more -- and gone for it, the double hand Heavenwards Wail."

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Zombietime reader Tom P. sends this AP photo (from a link that is now expired, unfortunately) that had the following caption: "Lebanese Asma Srour walks on the rubble of her extended family's house, destroyed during the month-long Israeli forces' offensive in the southern border village of Aita al-Shaab, Lebanon, Saturday Aug. 19, 2006. (AP Photo/Lefteris Pitarakis)." The scar on her left cheek once again suggests that it is the same woman a fourth time posing in front of a destroyed home (though identification is not absolutely certain).

This Reuters photo of a woman grieving for her home supposedly destroyed on August 8 (http://copycat.kodeware.net/r/f7fa8fc7d745bd9c66ca68754fd0ffc6a3261205) might very well be the same woman yet again. (Link no longer working, sadly.)

If all of these are indeed the same woman -- which seems possible, though we can't say with 100% certainty -- she may simply be an amateur photographer's model taken around to various sites to act distraught in front of different damaged buildings.

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These pictures of a Hezbollah gunman -- as pointed out by Hot Air (http://hotair.com/archives/the-blog/2006/08/08/another-bogus-photo/), jester_6 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/11575520@N00/) and Riehl World View (http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2006/08/where_have_i_se.html) -- not only appeared on the cover of the July 31 edition of U.S. News and World Report, but were captioned, "A Hezbollah gunman aims his AK 47 at a fire caused by an explosion in Kfarshima, near Beirut, Lebanon, Monday, July 17, 2006. Lebanese TV stations broadcast video pictures Monday claiming to be an Israeli military aircraft falling to the ground in the area, but Israeli military said no aircraft was shot down over Beirut and there was no immediate confirmation of the cause of the explosion." The photos were taken by both Reuters and AP photographers.

Source: Reuters Photo Fraud (http://www.zombietime.com/reuters_photo_fraud/) http://copycat.kodeware.net/16.png (http://copycat.kodeware.net)

dantes76

27-06-2010, 11:27

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Part 3 - Act 1: The dead baby (http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2006/08/part-3-act-1-dead-baby.html)

Posted by Richard Monday, August 14, 2006 qana (http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/search/label/qana)

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(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4640/388/1600/stretcher%20sequence%2001.0.jpg)In the first stages of the drama at Khuraybah, the central figure, "Green Helmet" seems to have spent most of his time digging out bodies. That, at least is the case if you believe the legend, promoted by amongst others, Kathy Gannon, AP's staff writer at the scene. With a dateline of Qana on 30 July, she wrote (http://copycat.kodeware.net/r/55f423961f91c96609f0e2260d2c24abfc3a09b6):

Abu Shadi Jradi pulled bodies out of wreckage for hours - two toddler girls wearing tiny gold earrings, a small boy whose pale blue pacifier still hung from his neck. Somewhere in the middle, Jradi slumped beneath a tree and wept.By 11 August, in yet another story (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060812/ap_on_re_mi_ea/mideast_fighting_green_helmet_1) written by Gannon, "Green Helmet's" name seemed to have changed, but the story survived almost intact:

After hours of digging in the blistering heat, Salam Daher emerged from the wreckage with the body of a 9-month-old baby, a blue pacifier still pinned to its nightshirt.http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4640/388/320/digging.jpg

(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4640/388/1600/digging.jpg)However, this is one of the most-photographed events in modern times. there are possibly thousands of still photographs and hours of video footage, much of which output has been placed on the net. In this footage, we see plenty of digging, mostly by people dressed in Lebanese Army uniforms, aided occasionally by men in civilian dress. We also see footage of Red Cross workers clearing away debris in order to move bodies from the scene.

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(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4640/388/1600/qana%20phone.jpg)Intriguingly, in what looks like the early stages of the "rescue", we even see this bizarre scene. A man in a pale green shirt (described in other footage as a "local resident") is sitting inside the wrecked building, actually on the mound of rubble under which people are buried, conducting a prolonged conversation on his cell phone. We see quite a lot of this man in other scenes but his demeanour in this photograph is somewhat at odds with the another legend built round the event, that the building was in danger of imminent collapse.

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(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4640/388/1600/casevac%201.jpg)The one thing we do not see in any footage though - including the extensive coverage of the scene inside the wrecked building - is "Green Helmet" doing any digging. We see him everywhere on the site. In addition to his starring roles, and finding time to slump beneath a tree and weep (curiously unrecorded on film on a site that was saturated with photographers and video cameramen) he is filmed giving interviews to the media (as in above left), inspecting the bomb crater and even helping carrying stretchers.

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(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4640/388/1600/925p.jpg)We also see him in this cameo role (above right), dragging out in some haste the body of what is believed to be a ten-year-old boy, apparently illustrating the urgency of the casualty evacuation in view of the impending collapse of the building. What we see of this scene, recorded on video footage, is that "Green Helmet" enters the wreckage specifically to take part in the removal of the body. Up until then, he has not been involved in its recovery.

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(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4640/388/1600/Arabtv%20023.0.jpg) It would not be untoward to suggest that the man is in fact posing for the cameras, the frame on the right recording him giving yet another television interview. On the basis of the photographic evidence, it would be very hard to define "Green Helmet's" role in terms other than of a "front man", functioning essentially as media liaison and the "face" of the rescue effort, posing for all manner of operations.

Act 1, Scene 1

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(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4640/388/1600/qana2006%20%285%29%7E0.jpg)And it is here, in Scene 1 that we see egregious examples of the man posing. The first photograph, taken by Ali Haider for epa/Corbis, clearly demonstrates this. There are all sorts of odd things about the scene, not least the uniform consistency of the dust in which the body is now half-buried, but what can also be surmised without hesitation is that it is obviously staged. Look at how the soldier-figure is holding the head up to the camera and how the other figures are lined up against the wall, with "Green Helmet" as the central figure.

Source: EU Referendum: Part 3 - Act 1: The dead baby (http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2006/08/part-3-act-1-dead-baby.html) http://copycat.kodeware.net/16.png (http://copycat.kodeware.net)

dantes76

27-06-2010, 11:29

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(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4640/388/1600/Reuters%20qana.jpg)Then there is this one (right). It is shot by Reuters' Adnan Hajj, the man who subsequently was found out doctoring photographs of the Beirut bombing and the F-16.

Apart from the fact that the lighting is a lot less even and there is more shadow in this shot, what is evident here is that the baby's body has been excavated more completely, or "Green Helmet" has pulled it from the dust. Certainly, there is more of the body visible than in the previous frame. Of special note, though, is that of the two faces visible in the shot, both are looking up to the camera rather than down at the body which they are pulling from the debris. This is clearly and unmistakably posed.

Furthermore, in the foreground, the hand of the Red Cross worker is seen to be blurred, indicating movement. The hand to the left, belonging to the soldier-figure seen in the previous frame - is sharp, without blurring. It is being held still - again suggestive of posing. Now look at "Green Helmet's" left foot. It has moved from the position shown in the previous frame, from about a foot away from the body's head to right next to it. The two shots are separate - not the same scene - taken at different times by different photographers.

This apart, both the poses and the circumstances of the discovery of the body seem contrived. This has given rise to suspicions that the body might have been discovered earlier and held back for a staged event in order to maximise the publicity impact of the discovery. We have explored this issue in Appendix 2 (http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2006/08/appendix-2-reburying-controversy.html).

Act 1, Scene 2

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(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4640/388/1600/exit%20view.jpg)If we can call the previous sequence "Scene 1", the next scene starts as "Green Helmet" emerges from the wreckage carrying the body of the baby. We have numerous shots of this "set" (see left), with many views of rescue workers either clearing up debris or carrying out bodies. Logically, this being the entrance and exit to the disaster scene, it needs to be kept clear, and by and large it is. But not, it seems, when Green Helmet emerges with the body of the dead baby.

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(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4640/388/1600/qana%20victim%2001.jpg)In this shot, credited to AP's Kevin Frayer, we see a group of nine people outside, all gathered around "Green Helmet". All of those with their faces visible are looking up to the camera in a composition that can only be contrived. And far from "Green Helmet" merely "displaying" the body, as Gannon puts it, he holds it up triumphantly, like a trophy.

And where is Frayer? As can be seen from subsequent shot, his is taken from an elevated position. He has climbed up onto some vantage point to get his picture - hardly an example of a spontaneous shot.

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(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4640/388/1600/Reuters%20Qana%2002.jpg)The next shot is by Reuters' Adnan Hajj. He has already taken a shot of the body being unearthed in the wrecked building but he has time to come out and position himself ready to take another shot of "Green Helmet" as he poses with the body outside the wreckage. And this is posing.

In Frayer's shot, "Green Helmet" is looking up and towards the camera. In this shot, with the camera position lower and to the left, "Green Helmet" is still looking towards the camera. Clearly, these are not simultaneous shots taken from different vantage points. They are posed separately, the two photographers each being given their own unique shots.

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(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4640/388/1600/green%20helmet%20004.jpg)Even with these two photographs, however, the "shoot" is not over. In the previous two shots, the head of the baby's body is tilted backwards, most noticeably in the second of the two shots. For this picture, though - original source and attribution unknown - the deficiency is remedied. It appears that one of the men in a dark blue tee-shirt has moved behind the corpse and is tilting the head forwards with his hand to give the photographer a better shot.

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(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4640/388/1600/dead%20baby%20afp.jpg)And here we have another of the "dead baby" shots, this one taken by the AFP photographer. Again, "Green Helmet" is facing the camera, presenting the photographer with a clean shot. In this frame the body's head is lolling but, what is remarkable is that you can see at the bottom of the frame, dust actually being shaken off the body.

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(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4640/388/1600/dead%20baby%20video%2000.0.jpg)That the body was shaken violently is confirmed by a short clip of video (published here (http://www.newtvsat.com/)), which shows "Green Helmet" virtually throwing it into the air, a gesture which accords with some witnesses' accounts of it being a gesture of "defiance and despair".

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(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4640/388/1600/shaking%20baby.jpg)The same effect is seen here, in a photograph taken by Nabil Ismail for Xinhua Press/Corbis. These last two frames were probably the first of the sequence of shots. Whatever, this makes at least four and possibly five (if not more) still cameras shooting the scene, plus at least one videocam.

And, as a final note on this issue, prominent in the photographs is the blue "pacifier" (we call it a "dummy" in the UK). There has been much speculation on the apparent cleanliness of this item, with suggestions that it might have been "planted". However, in the original shot where the body is unearthed it can be seen attached to the body. As to its apparent cleanliness, we are dealing here with low-definition photographs and it would be unwise to rely on them for the finer points of detail. What might not be visible on these photographs might be very obvious on the high definition copies which - so far, the agencies have not released. Further speculation, therefore, is a route down which we do not want to go.

Act 1, Scene 3

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(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4640/388/1600/AP%20Qana%2004.jpg)In her eulogy for "Green Helmet" - to which we refer in the introduction and will deal with more fully later - Kathy Gannon wants us to believe that an AP photographer just went "click" with his camera, taking just one, opportunist shot as "Green Helmet" momentarily lifted the baby to show to the waiting media.

That, we can see, was not true but, if there is any doubt as to the lack of spontaneity, this - Scene 3 - also seems to be highly contrived. Furthermore, it is an AP exclusive comprising three photographs in all, taken by Kevin Frayer. This one on the left - from the positioning - seems to be the first of the sequence, played out (as we illustrate in Part 2) round the corner from the opening to the wrecked basement, in front of the house.

Judging from the angle relative to the window of the house, "Green Helmet" is in roughly the same position as the Red Cross worker in the picture above. He is in the company of a sizeable group of people and facing what appears to be (from other footage) a senior Red Cross worker. Crucially, from the photograph above, we know the direction of travel and "Green Helmet's" body is not facing that way. That, with the rather fortuitous composition, suggests that the shot is contrived, with "Green Helmet" once more posing for the camera.

Now, as an additional detail, look between the heads of "Green Helmet" and "Striped Tee-shirt". You will see a sliver of very distinctive blue - it looks like part of a UN soldier wearing a flak jacket.

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(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4640/388/1600/AP%20Qana%2003.jpg)This frame, again judging from the angle to the window, seems to be the next in the sequence. The party has moved on, senior Red Cross Worker is no longer visible and the man with a striped tee-shirt is displaying what appears to be some emotion. Once again, "Green Helmet" is facing away from the direction of travel and looking directly towards the camera, holding the body of the baby aloft. The indications are, therefore, that this again is a posed shot.

Recalling the sliver of blue in the previous frame, this can no longer be seen - perhaps concealed by the group in the foreground. But we see the same blue on the uniform of the soldier on the veranda. He is, however, in a completely different position - in front of the window opening - facing away from the camera.

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(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4640/388/1600/AP%20Qana%2005.jpg)Now we come to what looks to be the final frame of this sequence. "Green Helmet" has moved on, the man in the striped tee-shirt remains by his side and senior Red Cross worker has re-appeared on the opposite side. But revealed now is a line of UN troops up on the veranda of the wrecked house. In roughly the same position as the soldier in the previous frame with a bright blue flak jacket is one of the UN soldiers with a green uniform. "Bright blue" is nowhere to be seen.

The indications from this and other background changes (look at the relative positions of the man in the white tee-shirt in the first two pictures of the sequence) it does not seem as if "Green Helmet" and his various companions are walking continuously down the lane. More likely, it appears, they are moving progressively to slightly different locations and stopping to be photographed each time.

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(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4640/388/1600/Ansa%20baby.jpg)These three photographs, though, conclude the Frayer sequence and, effectively, Scene 3. But what are we to make of this picture, on the left. Published by the Italian press agency Ansa, it is actually taken by Ali Haider for epa/Corbis. It shows "Green Helmet" with the baby but with a completely different cast of characters, bar the familiar, white-haired Red Cross worker. He is stepping down what appears to be a low ridge of earth. The background is unrecognisable, but it does not match any of the other scenes. We already have three separate sequences, in three different locations, in which "Green Helmet" poses with the baby. Now it looks as though there was a fourth. How "spontaneous" is that, and how many more sequences were shot?

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(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4640/388/1600/baby%20stretcher.jpg%20target=)Actually, there were three more that we know about. This one is taken - we think - somewhere between the wrecked house and the staging area. In sharp contrast to the "camera run" scenes, where the bodies of two girls each are carried respectively by "Green Helmet" and "White Tee-shirt", the body of baby Abbas Hashem is afforded a stretcher with two bearers, and is covered by a blanket. But, once more, a Red Cross worker cannot resist the opportunity for a pose, peeling back the blanket to allow the shot to be taken. Th man shown seems to be in charge of the Red Cross detachment, and he has already inspected the body while it was in the arms of "Green Helmet" (seen in Scene 3).

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(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4640/388/1600/baby%20pose%203.jpg%20target=)This is in the back of an ambulance, presumably at the top of "Stretcher Alley". We see two Red Cross workers in again what is clearly a contrived pose. One is holding the head of the baby to the camera.

Whatever else, this cannot have been a spontaneous shot. From the angle, the photographer seems to be inside the ambulance - partially at least - what is effectively private and certainly controllable space. Had the workers wished to exclude photography, they could have done so. Instead, they posed for yet another shot, and the "snapper" willingly took it.

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(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4640/388/1600/dead%20baby%20ambulance%201.jpg)Even then, they have not finished. In some news reports, there is a mention of there being so many bodies that a refrigerated meat delivery vehicle had to be pressed into service (despite the large number of ambulances that attended the scene). And, to illustrate the point, the body of Abbas Ahmad Hashem is once again recruited for a pose to the camera. And once again, an obliging Red Cross worker is the foil, against which the grotesque display is mounted.

Through its progress from the wreckage to the ambulance, therefore, the baby's body is exposed to seven identifiable photography sessions. This, even allowing for what some claim to be the different cultural values of the Middle East, is not normal.

Source: EU Referendum: Part 3 - Act 1: The dead baby (http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2006/08/part-3-act-1-dead-baby.html) http://copycat.kodeware.net/16.png (http://copycat.kodeware.net)

redsith

27-06-2010, 11:32

Magari qualche mod può mettere la tag [BAMBINI MORTI] nel titolo? :fagiano:

anonimizzato

27-06-2010, 11:32

Non conosco nel dettaglio la situazione mediorientale ma postare delle foto con: mercati pieni di cibarie, torte, hotel di lusso, gente al mare ecc. non credo possa significare automaticamente che in Palestina se la spassano alla grande o che non hanno problemi legati a cibo, medicinali, acqua potabile ecc.

Potrei postare delle foto identiche del Brasile o di qualche altro stato sudamericano o asiatico meno evoluto quando poi sappiamo che moltissima gente vive in favelas, baraccopoli e in stato di povertà e malnutrizione perenne.

anonimizzato

27-06-2010, 11:35

anonimizzato

27-06-2010, 11:37

Hamas e' una persona?

Lasciaglielo credere, fra poco si riaddormenta e possiamo riprendere a parlare tra di noi.

dantes76

27-06-2010, 11:41

Nota: su certe foto bisognerebbe mettere prima un disclaimer oppure postare solo il link.

Non ho nulla contro la loro pubblicazione che, anzi, ritengo doverosa per tentare di muovere le coscenze ma il rischio è solo quello di spettacolarizzare inutilmente il thread.

sente, per l'unitilmente, parla con chi ha postato foto di bambini morto, senza manco sapere, da quale contesto sono stati tirati fuori, quindi la tua piccola indignazione, la puoi esporre quando parlerete fra di voi..
per quanto riguardi le bancarelle, i mercati I CLUBSSSSSSS, vogliono dire quello che fanno vedere..

dantes76

27-06-2010, 11:42

Magari qualche mod può mettere la tag [BAMBINI MORTI] nel titolo? :fagiano:

parli per me, o per chi ha postato le foto prima?? alcuni pagherebbero, pur di vendersi..

ConteZero

27-06-2010, 11:42

Dantes, ma dillo con parole tue anziché copincollare propaganda e slogan.

ZonaDopa

27-06-2010, 11:54

Lasciaglielo credere, fra poco si riaddormenta e possiamo riprendere a parlare tra di noi.

Viste le teorie che dietro ad Hamas ci sia Israele, bene io credo che Hamas sia una persona ^ sola ^ e il resto sia solo fondamentalismo e in questo forum le fantasie hanno più peso della realtà byez

dantes76

27-06-2010, 11:57

Dantes, ma dillo con parole tue anziché copincollare propaganda e slogan.

tu come lo diresti? ah si!: aspe'! finche' non arrivano gli altri e meglio che non scrivo..

LaBride

27-06-2010, 12:05

Ok, le foto di bambini morti non ti vanno bene perché sono "estrapolate" dal contesto, macchinate da hamas (sono bambolotti coperti di pomodoro) oppure raffigurano uccisioni perpetrate da Hamas stesso (un uomo cattivo che uccide bambini per incolpare israele e nonostante ciò continua ad avere l'appoggio della popolazione). Le tue invece (fruttivendoli, spiagge) significano che Gaza è un villaggio vacanze ricco (c'hanno pure i vestiti oh!!!). Perfetto.

Toglimi una curiosità: sei ebreo?
La domanda è meno razzista di quanto potrebbe sembrare, o meglio lo è al contrario; ogni volta che ho parlato di queste cose con ebrei, non ho mai, e dico mai, incontrato reazioni idiote come la tua, tantopiù si sono sognati di dirmi "sìsì ma guarda Gaza è bellissima, sole&mare, gioielli dappertutto, c'hanno pure le arance di sicilia solo che ogni tanto gli scoppia un missile e fanno le foto ai bambini morti dicendo che li abbiamo uccisi noi. Il che ti configura come un coattello di paese esaltato da Tom Clancy e dal machismo militar-israeliano. Poi fai come vuoi.

PS: Secondo me non ci vuole disclaimer, il disclaimer farebbe solo entrare più gente perché si sa "[MORTI INSIDE]" attira la morbosità. E qui non si parla di morbosità e spettacolo ma di un paese deleggittimato, con spiagge, arance, e morti per le strade.

anonimizzato

27-06-2010, 12:10

sente, per l'unitilmente, parla con chi ha postato foto di bambini morto, senza manco sapere, da quale contesto sono stati tirati fuori, quindi la tua piccola indignazione, la puoi esporre quando parlerete fra di voi..
per quanto riguardi le bancarelle, i mercati I CLUBSSSSSSS, vogliono dire quello che fanno vedere..

Io quelle foto le vedo nel tuo post, poi da dove le hai prese/quotate poco importa, ovvio che il discorso vale per chiunque.

Ho cercato di muovere obiezioni che mi paiono legittime e realistiche ma, evidentemente, sei emotivamente troppo preso dalla questione per evitare risposte francamente irritanti come quella che mi hai appena dato.

dantes76

27-06-2010, 13:47

Io quelle foto le vedo nel tuo post, poi da dove le hai prese/quotate poco importa, ovvio che il discorso vale per chiunque.

Ho cercato di muovere obiezioni che mi paiono legittime e realistiche ma, evidentemente, sei emotivamente troppo preso dalla questione per evitare risposte francamente irritanti come quella che mi hai appena dato.

alcune di quelle foto, non appartengono nemmeno a gaza, come una certa foto, di una bambina ustionata dal fosforo bianco, non eprche' non siano ustioni da fosoforo bianco, ma perche vengono da fallujia.. l siccome quando io ho postato delle foto accompognata dalla fonte e dall'articolo, compresa email, sono stati elevati dei dubbi, permettimi di rispondere che i palestinesi, usano lo stesso cadavere diverse volte, epr fare apparire piu' morti..
tutto questo ti e' stato fatto notare, ma a quanto vedo, il cervello rimuove quello che puo' essere doloroso..

mixkey

27-06-2010, 14:06

alcune di quelle foto, non appartengono nemmeno a gaza, come una certa foto, di una bambina ustionata dal fosforo bianco, non eprche' non siano ustioni da fosoforo bianco, ma perche vengono da fallujia.. l siccome quando io ho postato delle foto accompognata dalla fonte e dall'articolo, compresa email, sono stati elevati dei dubbi, permettimi di rispondere che i palestinesi, usano lo stesso cadavere diverse volte, epr fare apparire piu' morti..
tutto questo ti e' stato fatto notare, ma a quanto vedo, il cervello rimuove quello che puo' essere doloroso..

E allora io ci casco inpieno perche' non riesco a sopportare la vista di un bambino morto e pertanto a capire se e' sempre lo stesso.

dantes76

27-06-2010, 14:11

E allora io ci casco inpieno perche' non riesco a sopportare la vista di un bambino morto e pertanto a capire se e' sempre lo stesso.

poverino.. capisco il bipensiero.. ma io ho fatto notare, la stessa cosa che altri hanno fatto notare a me, solo che io ho dato risposta.. ovvero, che le foto che ho postato erano di dubbia provenienza, e io ho riposto..
poverini..che sensibilita' che hanno alcuni nell'essere presi per il culo.