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lowenz
19-07-2008, 08:36
E' c'è dentro anche un italiano (non nel buco nero supermassivo, nel progetto di ricerca :D)

http://www.universetoday.com/2008/07/18/how-do-you-weigh-a-supermassive-black-hole-take-its-temperature/

Working out the mass of huge black holes, like the ones hiding in the centre of galactic nuclei, is no easy task and attempts are being made to find novel ways to weigh them. Using data from the Chandra X-ray Observatory, two scientists have confirmed a theory they conceived ten years ago, that the supermassive black holes in the centre of galaxies strongly influence the nature of the gases surrounding them. So, acting like a remote thermometer, Chandra is being used to probe deep into the neighbourhood of these exotic objects, gauging their masses very accurately…

The supermassive black hole at the centre of NGC 4649 is a monster. It is about 3.4 billion times the mass of the Sun and a thousand times bigger than the black hole at the centre of the Milky Way. This fact makes it an ideal candidate to test new methods of measuring the mass of black holes to see how the results correlate with traditional methods. With a high degree of accuracy, scientists have proven that a previously untested theory of weighing black holes works by using the Chandra X-ray telescope.

Until now, supermassive black hole masses have been measured by observing the motions of stars and gas deep inside galactic nuclei, now astronomers are using the gravitational influence of the black hole over the hot gas trapped around the singularity. As the gas is pulled slowly toward the black hole, it is compressed and heated. The bigger the black hole, the higher the peak temperature. Chandra has been used to measure the peak temperature of the gas right in the centre of NGC 4649 to find the derived mass is identical to the mass previously measured by traditional means.

Fabrizio Brighenti from the University of Bologna in Italy, and William Mathews from the University of California at Santa Cruz have been working on this research for the past decade. It is only now, with the availability of a telescope as powerful as Chandra that these observations have been possible.

"It was wonderful to finally see convincing evidence of the effects of the huge black hole that we expected. We were thrilled that our new technique worked just as well as the more traditional approach for weighing the black hole." - Fabrizio Brighenti

The black hole inside NGC 4649 appears to be in a dormant state; it doesn't seem to be pulling in material toward its event horizon very rapidly and it isn't generating much light as it slowly grows. Therefore, using Chandra to indirectly measure its mass by sensing the peak temperature of surrounding matter is required to weigh it. In the early universe, huge black holes such as these will have generated dramatic displays of light. Now, in the local Universe, such black holes lead a more retiring life, making them difficult to observe. This prospect excites the lead scientist on the project, Philip Humphrey. "We can't wait to apply our new method to other nearby galaxies harboring such inconspicuous black holes," he said.

(Ecco la galassia in questione)
http://www.universetoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/black_hole_weigh.jpg

killercode
19-07-2008, 09:28
Ma io non ho ancora capito se tutte le galassie hanno al centro un buco nero, all'inizio pensavo fosse una prerogativa di quelle a spirale ma se anche m60 ha il suo buco nero personale....avranno bisogno di un centro di massa :confused:

Jarni
19-07-2008, 19:22
Non è necessario che il centro di massa sia per forza un buco nero, per le stelle periferiche non fa differenza.

:dissident:
20-07-2008, 09:33
Ma io non ho ancora capito se tutte le galassie hanno al centro un buco nero, all'inizio pensavo fosse una prerogativa di quelle a spirale ma se anche m60 ha il suo buco nero personale....avranno bisogno di un centro di massa :confused:

diciamo che sembra che una gran parte delle galassie ce l'abbia

Marko91
20-07-2008, 12:12
Questo buco nero 3,4*10^9 di volte la massa del sole. Il sole è 3,3*10^5 volte la massa della Terra. La terra ha 7,4*10^22 volte la mia massa. Ci vorrebbero 8,3 * 10^ 37 me per pareggiare la sua massa. Fico. :fagiano: :stordita:

Ma a che temperatura è il gas che precipita nel buco nero? E che tipo di gas é?
E perchè il gas si scalda? Se fosse idrogeno , che è un gas quasi ideale, al diminuire del volume la temperatura scende... presumo che la chimica classica non funzioni nelle condizioni particolari che si creano vicino ad un buco nero... :D

kaioh
20-07-2008, 12:26
Ma a che temperatura è il gas che precipita nel buco nero? E che tipo di gas é?:Dil gas che precipita ha temperature di milioni di gradi, però se ti poni a ldi fuoriu del'oirizzonte degli eventi e cerchi di misurare la temperatura del buco nero misurandone la radiazione di hawking emessa esso ti apparirà vicino all ozero assoluto anche se al suo interno la temepratura sarà a valori di miliardi di gradi