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dantes76
22-12-2006, 20:39
20 Amazing Facts About Voting In The United States
By Angry Girl and Bob Rowe
February 9, 2006

1. 80% of all votes in America are counted by only two companies: Diebold and ES&S.

2. There is no federal agency with regulatory authority or oversight of the US voting machine industry.

3. The vice-president of Diebold and the president of ES&S are brothers.

4. The chairman and CEO of Diebold is a major Bush campaign organizer and donor who wrote in 2003 that he was "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."

5. 35% of ES&S is owned by Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, who became Senator based on votes counted by ES&S machines.

6. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, a long-time friend of the Bush family, was caught lying about his ownership of ES&S by the Senate Ethics Committee.

7. Senator Chuck Hagel was on a short list of George W. Bush's vice- presidential candidates.

8. ES&S is the largest voting machine manufacturer in the US and counts almost 60% of all US votes.

9. Diebold's new touch screen voting machines have no paper trail of any votes. In other words, there is no way to verify that the data coming out of the machine is the same as what was legitimately put in by voters.

10. Diebold also makes ATMs, checkout scanners, and ticket machines, all of which log each transaction and can generate a paper trail.

11. Diebold is based in Ohio.

12. Diebold employs 5 convicted felons as developers. These are the people who write the voting machine computer code.

13. Diebold's Senior Vice-President, Jeff Dean, was convicted of 23 counts of felony theft in the first degree.

14. Diebold Senior Vice-President Jeff Dean was convicted of planting back doors in his software and using a "high degree of sophistication" to evade detection over a period of 2 years.

15. None of the international election observers were allowed in the polls in Ohio.

16. California banned the use of Diebold machines because the security was so bad. Despite Diebold's claims that the audit logs could not be hacked, a chimpanzee was able to do it! (See the movie at http://blackboxvoting.org/baxter/baxterVPR.mov.)

17. 30% of all US votes are carried out on unverifiable touch screen voting machines with no paper trail. 18. Bush's Help America Vote Act of 2002 has as its goal to replace all machines with the new electronic touch screen systems with no paper trail.

18. All -- not some -- but all the voting machine errors detected and reported went in favor of Bush or Republican candidates.

19. The governor of the state of Florida, Jeb Bush, is the President's brother.

20. Major statistical voting oddities (odds on the order of 250 million to 1!) -- again always favoring Bush -- have been mathematically demonstrated by experts.

Such amazing odds, the equivalent of statistical miracles these were. Was it God? Or was it Diebold...?

Here's just a few sources:

1.
http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting...804landes.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diebold

2.
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0916-04.htm
http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting...804landes.html

3.
http://www.americanfreepress.net/htm...e_company.html
http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting...804landes.html

4.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in632436.shtml
http://www.wishtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1647886

5.
http://www.motherjones.com/commentar...03/03_200.html
http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting...4fitrakis.html

6.
http://www.blackboxvoting.com/module...article&sid=26
http://www.hillnews.com/news/012903/hagel.aspx
http://www.onlisareinsradar.com/archives/000896.php

7.
http://www.businessweek.com/2000/00_28/b3689130.htm
http://theindependent.com/stories/05...w_hagel27.html

8.
http://www.essvote.com/HTML/about/about.html
http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting...804landes.html

9.
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
http://www.itworld.com/Tech/2987/041...s/pfindex.html

10.
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
http://www.diebold.com/solutions/default.htm

11.
http://www.diebold.com/aboutus/ataglance/default.htm

12.
http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,61640,00.html
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/10/301469.shtml

13.
http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm#how
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf

14.
http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm#how
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf

15.
http://www.globalexchange.org/update/press/2638.html
http://www.enquirer.com/editions/200...oc_elexoh.html

16.
http://wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,63298,00.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4874190

17.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in632436.shtml

18.
http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,65757,00.html
http://www.yuricareport.com/Election...sBushIsOut.htm
http://www.rise4news.net/extravotes.html
http://www.ilcaonline.org/modules.ph...icle&sid= 950
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0411/S00227.htm

19.
http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/talla...al/7628725.htm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Oct29.html

20.
http://www.yuricareport.com/Election...sBushIsOut.htm
http://www.computerworld.com/governm...,97614,00.html
http://www.americanfreepress.net/htm...thousands.html
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/110904.html
http://uscountvotes.org/


http://www.guerrillafunk.com/thoughts/doc000023.html

riaw
22-12-2006, 20:43
19. The governor of the state of Florida, Jeb Bush, is the President's brother.


Beh, se non sapevano cos'altro scrivere, potevano semplicemente intitolare l'articolo "19 Amazing Facts About Voting In The United States"......

dantes76
22-12-2006, 20:45
Beh, se non sapevano cos'altro scrivere,

quoto, quando non si sa cosa scrivere e' inutile aggiungere altro...

riaw
22-12-2006, 20:55
quoto, quando non si sa cosa scrivere e' inutile aggiungere altro...

ah no scusa........


17. 30% of all US votes are carried out on unverifiable touch screen voting machines with no paper trail. 18. Bush's Help America Vote Act of 2002 has as its goal to replace all machines with the new electronic touch screen systems with no paper trail.

18. All -- not some -- but all the voting machine errors detected and reported went in favor of Bush or Republican candidates.


hanno raddoppiato il 18), quindi sono effettivamente 20, togliendo il 19) e aggiungendo il doppio 18)

pardon, continuate pure, scusate se vi ho interrotto.

ps: dai un'occhiata a quello che posti, se ci sono errori così grossolani avverti prima...

dantes76
22-12-2006, 20:55
ah no scusa........



hanno raddoppiato il 18), quindi sono effettivamente 20, togliendo il 19) e aggiungendo il doppio 18)

pardon, continuate pure, scusate se vi ho interrotto.

come sopra, ti quoto sempre

riaw
22-12-2006, 20:58
come sopra, ti quoto sempre

ma guarda che veramente a me non è che me ne freghi molto, se vuoi lo chiarisco senza problemi che quei due messaggi sono per farti notare errori dell'articolo e che a me non me ne frega una ceppa di mettermi a discutere con te :D
solo che non ci faccio sopra un articolo, tutto qua :D

DonaldDuck
22-12-2006, 20:59
hanno raddoppiato il 18), quindi sono effettivamente 20, togliendo il 19) e aggiungendo il doppio 18)

E' vero! Gli avevo dato una distratta occhiata e non ci avevo fatto caso.

riaw
22-12-2006, 21:01
E' vero! Gli avevo dato una distratta occhiata e non ci avevo fatto caso.

Guarda che non puoi postare dicendo così poco, non lo vedi che poi dante si inacazza?
devi come minimo insultare bush, altrimenti non va bene.

dantes76
22-12-2006, 21:01
Guarda che non puoi postare dicendo così poco, non lo vedi che poi dante si inacazza?
devi come minimo insultare bush, altrimenti non va bene.

guarda che non l'ho scritto io l'articolo..

riaw
22-12-2006, 21:03
guarda che non l'ho scritto io l'articolo..

e chi ha mai detto che hai scritto tu l'articolo?
ma mi stai facendo la supercazzola o ti sei semplicemente fumato un copertone?:D

dantes76
22-12-2006, 21:04
e chi ha mai detto che hai scritto tu l'articolo?
ma mi stai facendo la supercazzola o ti sei semplicemente fumato un copertone?:D

?? perche dovrei incazzarmi, per un articolo non scritto da me?

sander4
22-12-2006, 21:15
interessante

in ogni caso sono contento che si sia bloccata la sperimentazione, in italia, del voto elettronico.

DonaldDuck
22-12-2006, 21:20
Guarda che non puoi postare dicendo così poco, non lo vedi che poi dante si inacazza?
devi come minimo insultare bush, altrimenti non va bene.
Pure tu hai ragione, allora...a Bush puzza l'alito.

sempreio
22-12-2006, 21:54
secondo me hanno dovuto far vincere bush a tutti i costi per far completare quel programma militare ed espansionistico che l' america di bush e le sue lobby avevano in mente, le porcherie che hanno fatto sono troppo evidenti per essere nascoste e il loro castello di sabbia come si suol dire è andato a "remengo" e come dice l' economist gli stati uniti sono soli.

giorno
22-12-2006, 23:25
questa e' democrazia ragazzi :boh:

bjt2
23-12-2006, 18:19
:mbe: Ma è possibile che in USA siano così poco inteligenti? :mbe:

Io una macchina che non stampa il risultato per poi conservarlo od imbucarlo in una urna, per tenere conservato qualcosa di tangibile (e che l'elettore può controllare) non la vorrei...