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Old 26-07-2011, 12:09   #1207
Louch
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Iscritto dal: Jun 2009
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Ciao a tutti! Ho un dell XPS 15 L502X e sto avendo un bsod al giorno:

Codice:
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Dump File         : 072611-17284-01.dmp
Crash Time        : 26/07/2011 12:45:37
Bug Check String  : IRQL_GT_ZERO_AT_SYSTEM_SERVICE
Bug Check Code    : 0x0000004a
Parameter 1       : 00000000`74122e09
Parameter 2       : 00000000`00000002
Parameter 3       : 00000000`00000000
Parameter 4       : fffff880`08dc2b60
Caused By Driver  : ntoskrnl.exe
Caused By Address : ntoskrnl.exe+7fd00
File Description  : NT Kernel & System
Product Name      : Microsoft® Windows® Operating System
Company           : Microsoft Corporation
File Version      : 6.1.7601.17592 (win7sp1_gdr.110408-1631)
Processor         : x64
Computer Name     : 
Full Path         : C:\Windows\Minidump\072611-17284-01.dmp
Processors Count  : 8
Major Version     : 15
Minor Version     : 7601
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Codice:
Filename  Address In Stack  From Address  To Address  Size  Time Stamp  Time String  Product Name  File Description  File Version  Company  Full Path  
ntoskrnl.exe ntoskrnl.exe+7f2a9 fffff800`02e4f000 fffff800`03438000 0x005e9000 0x4d9fdd5b 09/04/2011 06:15:23 Microsoft® Windows® Operating System NT Kernel & System 6.1.7601.17592 (win7sp1_gdr.110408-1631) Microsoft Corporation C:\Windows\system32\ntoskrnl.exe  
WudfPf.sys   fffff880`03000000 fffff880`03021000 0x00021000 0x4ce7a624 20/11/2010 12:42:44            
WMILIB.SYS   fffff880`00f23000 fffff880`00f2c000 0x00009000 0x4a5bc117 14/07/2009 01:19:51            
wmiacpi.sys   fffff880`04fe1000 fffff880`04fea000 0x00009000 0x4a5bc3b6 14/07/2009 01:31:02            
win32k.sys   fffff960`000c0000 fffff960`003d3000 0x00313000 0x4df2dbd1 11/06/2011 05:06:57            
wfplwf.sys   fffff880`04d4d000 fffff880`04d56000 0x00009000 0x4a5bccb6 14/07/2009 02:09:26            
WDFLDR.SYS   fffff880`00ebd000 fffff880`00ecc000 0x0000f000 0x4a5bc11a 14/07/2009 01:19:54            
Wdf01000.sys   fffff880`00e19000 fffff880`00ebd000 0x000a4000 0x4a5bc19f 14/07/2009 01:22:07            
watchdog.sys   fffff880`0310f000 fffff880`0311f000 0x00010000 0x4a5bc53f 14/07/2009 01:37:35            
wanarp.sys   fffff880`04da1000 fffff880`04dbc000 0x0001b000 0x4ce7a874 20/11/2010 12:52:36            
vwifimp.sys   fffff880`0bb08000 fffff880`0bb12000 0x0000a000 0x4a5bcc40 14/07/2009 02:07:28            
vwififlt.sys   fffff880`04d7c000 fffff880`04d92000 0x00016000 0x4a5bcc3a 14/07/2009 02:07:22            
vwifibus.sys   fffff880`070a8000 fffff880`070b5000 0x0000d000 0x4a5bcc39 14/07/2009 02:07:21            
vsdatant.sys   fffff880`04cb8000 fffff880`04d4d000 0x00095000 0x4be6e2ca 09/05/2010 18:28:58            
volsnap.sys   fffff880`01cf4000 fffff880`01d40000 0x0004c000 0x4ce792c8 20/11/2010 11:20:08            
volmgrx.sys   fffff880`00c00000 fffff880`00c5c000 0x0005c000 0x4ce792eb 20/11/2010 11:20:43            
volmgr.sys   fffff880`00fa0000 fffff880`00fb5000 0x00015000 0x4ce792a0 20/11/2010 11:19:28            
vmstorfl.sys   fffff880`01ce4000 fffff880`01cf4000 0x00010000 0x4ce79b8a 20/11/2010 11:57:30            
VIDEOPRT.SYS   fffff880`030ea000 fffff880`0310f000 0x00025000 0x4a5bc58b 14/07/2009 01:38:51            
vga.sys   fffff880`030dc000 fffff880`030ea000 0x0000e000 0x4a5bc587 14/07/2009 01:38:47            
vdrvroot.sys   fffff880`00f69000 fffff880`00f76000 0x0000d000 0x4a5bcadb 14/07/2009 02:01:31            
usbvideo.sys   fffff880`04dd0000 fffff880`04dfd280 0x0002d280 0x4ce7a692 20/11/2010 12:44:34            
USBPORT.SYS   fffff880`04e00000 fffff880`04e56000 0x00056000 0x4d8c0c08 25/03/2011 05:29:12            
usbhub.sys   fffff880`04e56000 fffff880`04eb0000 0x0005a000 0x4d8c0c15 25/03/2011 05:29:25            
usbehci.sys   fffff880`065ca000 fffff880`065db000 0x00011000 0x4d8c0c00 25/03/2011 05:29:04            
USBD.SYS   fffff880`070ed000 fffff880`070eef00 0x00001f00 0x4d8c0bfb 25/03/2011 05:28:59            
usbccgp.sys   fffff880`04c77000 fffff880`04c94000 0x0001d000 0x4d8c0c0a 25/03/2011 05:29:14            
umbus.sys   fffff880`0681a000 fffff880`0682c000 0x00012000 0x4ce7a695 20/11/2010 12:44:37            
tunnel.sys   fffff880`04fbb000 fffff880`04fe1000 0x00026000 0x4ce7a846 20/11/2010 12:51:50            
TSDDD.dll   fffff960`00560000 fffff960`0056a000 0x0000a000 0x4a5bce62 14/07/2009 02:16:34            
termdd.sys   fffff880`04dbc000 fffff880`04dd0000 0x00014000 0x4ce7ab0c 20/11/2010 13:03:40            
tdx.sys   fffff880`03156000 fffff880`03178000 0x00022000 0x4ce79332 20/11/2010 11:21:54            
TDI.SYS   fffff880`03178000 fffff880`03185000 0x0000d000 0x4ce7933e 20/11/2010 11:22:06            
tcpipreg.sys   fffff880`0baf6000 fffff880`0bb08000 0x00012000 0x4ce7a844 20/11/2010 12:51:48            
tcpip.sys   fffff880`01a96000 fffff880`01c9a000 0x00204000 0x4db4de6a 25/04/2011 04:37:30            
SynTP.sys   fffff880`0526e000 fffff880`053cb000 0x0015d000 0x4d0b9501 17/12/2010 18:51:13            
swenum.sys   fffff880`053f7000 fffff880`053f8480 0x00001480 0x4a5bca92 14/07/2009 02:00:18            
srvnet.sys   fffff880`0bac5000 fffff880`0baf6000 0x00031000 0x4dba2aff 29/04/2011 05:05:35            
srv2.sys   fffff880`0bb12000 fffff880`0bb7b000 0x00069000 0x4dba2b0a 29/04/2011 05:05:46            
srv.sys   fffff880`0c27a000 fffff880`0c312000 0x00098000 0x4dba2b1e 29/04/2011 05:06:06            
spldr.sys   fffff880`01d40000 fffff880`01d48000 0x00008000 0x4a0858bb 11/05/2009 18:56:27            
secdrv.SYS   fffff880`0baba000 fffff880`0bac5000 0x0000b000 0x4508052e 13/09/2006 15:18:38            
RTKVHD64.sys   fffff880`0925f000 fffff880`094fc600 0x0029d600 0x4d5e4207 18/02/2011 11:55:19            
Rt64win7.sys   fffff880`070ef000 fffff880`07159000 0x0006a000 0x4d5b92fd 16/02/2011 11:03:57            
rspndr.sys   fffff880`031e2000 fffff880`031fa000 0x00018000 0x4a5bcc92 14/07/2009 02:08:50            
rdyboost.sys   fffff880`01d48000 fffff880`01d82000 0x0003a000 0x4ce7982e 20/11/2010 11:43:10            
rdprefmp.sys   fffff880`03131000 fffff880`0313a000 0x00009000 0x4a5bce63 14/07/2009 02:16:35            
rdpencdd.sys   fffff880`03128000 fffff880`03131000 0x00009000 0x4a5bce62 14/07/2009 02:16:34            
RDPCDD.sys   fffff880`0311f000 fffff880`03128000 0x00009000 0x4a5bce62 14/07/2009 02:16:34            
rdpbus.sys   fffff880`053ec000 fffff880`053f7000 0x0000b000 0x4a5bceaa 14/07/2009 02:17:46            
rdbss.sys   fffff880`04c00000 fffff880`04c51000 0x00051000 0x4ce79497 20/11/2010 11:27:51            
rassstp.sys   fffff880`06800000 fffff880`0681a000 0x0001a000 0x4a5bccf1 14/07/2009 02:10:25            
raspptp.sys   fffff880`071d0000 fffff880`071f1000 0x00021000 0x4ce7a86f 20/11/2010 12:52:31            
raspppoe.sys   fffff880`071b5000 fffff880`071d0000 0x0001b000 0x4a5bcce9 14/07/2009 02:10:17            
rasl2tp.sys   fffff880`0523c000 fffff880`05260000 0x00024000 0x4ce7a872 20/11/2010 12:52:34            
PSHED.dll   fffff880`00cb7000 fffff880`00ccb000 0x00014000 0x4a5be027 14/07/2009 03:32:23 Sistema operativo Microsoft® Windows® Driver errori hardware specifici di piattaforma 6.1.7600.16385 (win7_rtm.090713-1255) Microsoft Corporation C:\Windows\system32\PSHED.dll  
portcls.sys   fffff880`094fd000 fffff880`0953a000 0x0003d000 0x4a5bcc03 14/07/2009 02:06:27            
peauth.sys   fffff880`0ba14000 fffff880`0baba000 0x000a6000 0x4a5bd8df 14/07/2009 03:01:19            
pcw.sys   fffff880`0161b000 fffff880`0162c000 0x00011000 0x4a5bc0ff 14/07/2009 01:19:27            
PCIIDEX.SYS   fffff880`01035000 fffff880`01045000 0x00010000 0x4a5bc114 14/07/2009 01:19:48            
pci.sys   fffff880`00f36000 fffff880`00f69000 0x00033000 0x4ce7928f 20/11/2010 11:19:11            
partmgr.sys   fffff880`00f76000 fffff880`00f8b000 0x00015000 0x4ce792c0 20/11/2010 11:20:00            
pacer.sys   fffff880`04d56000 fffff880`04d7c000 0x00026000 0x4ce7a862 20/11/2010 12:52:18            
nwifi.sys   fffff880`01999000 fffff880`019ec000 0x00053000 0x4a5bcc3b 14/07/2009 02:07:23            
nvpciflt.sys   fffff880`01d82000 fffff880`01d86b00 0x00004b00 0x4d5eb227 18/02/2011 19:53:43            
nvlddmkm.sys   fffff880`0f409000 fffff880`1007af80 0x00c71f80 0x4d5eb1fc 18/02/2011 19:53:00            
nvBridge.kmd   fffff880`1007b000 fffff880`1007c180 0x00001180 0x4d5eb0a3 18/02/2011 19:47:15            
nusb3xhc.sys   fffff880`070b5000 fffff880`070ed000 0x00038000 0x4df1cf26 10/06/2011 10:00:38            
nusb3hub.sys   fffff880`095b5000 fffff880`095d0000 0x0001b000 0x4df1cf23 10/06/2011 10:00:35            
Null.SYS   fffff880`030cc000 fffff880`030d5000 0x00009000 0x4a5bc109 14/07/2009 01:19:37            
Ntfs.sys   fffff880`01653000 fffff880`017f6000 0x001a3000 0x4d79997b 11/03/2011 05:39:39            
nsiproxy.sys   fffff880`04c51000 fffff880`04c5d000 0x0000c000 0x4a5bc15e 14/07/2009 01:21:02            
Npfs.SYS   fffff880`03145000 fffff880`03156000 0x00011000 0x4a5bc114 14/07/2009 01:19:48            
NETwNs64.sys   fffff880`0683d000 fffff880`070a8000 0x0086b000 0x4d10df1b 21/12/2010 19:08:43            
NETIO.SYS   fffff880`0190e000 fffff880`0196e000 0x00060000 0x4ce79381 20/11/2010 11:23:13            
netbt.sys   fffff880`0319d000 fffff880`031e2000 0x00045000 0x4ce79386 20/11/2010 11:23:18            
netbios.sys   fffff880`04d92000 fffff880`04da1000 0x0000f000 0x4a5bccb6 14/07/2009 02:09:26            
NDProxy.SYS   fffff880`05a00000 fffff880`05a15000 0x00015000 0x4ce7a864 20/11/2010 12:52:20            
ndiswan.sys   fffff880`07186000 fffff880`071b5000 0x0002f000 0x4ce7a870 20/11/2010 12:52:32            
ndisuio.sys   fffff880`03021000 fffff880`03034000 0x00013000 0x4ce7a7e0 20/11/2010 12:50:08            
ndistapi.sys   fffff880`05260000 fffff880`0526c000 0x0000c000 0x4a5bccd8 14/07/2009 02:10:00            
ndis.sys   fffff880`0181b000 fffff880`0190e000 0x000f3000 0x4ce79392 20/11/2010 11:23:30            
mup.sys   fffff880`01d87000 fffff880`01d99000 0x00012000 0x4a5bc201 14/07/2009 01:23:45            
mssmbios.sys   fffff880`04c5d000 fffff880`04c68000 0x0000b000 0x4a5bc3be 14/07/2009 01:31:10            
msrpc.sys   fffff880`014a4000 fffff880`01502000 0x0005e000 0x4ce79334 20/11/2010 11:21:56            
msisadrv.sys   fffff880`00f2c000 fffff880`00f36000 0x0000a000 0x4a5bc0fe 14/07/2009 01:19:26            
Msfs.SYS   fffff880`0313a000 fffff880`03145000 0x0000b000 0x4a5bc113 14/07/2009 01:19:47            
msahci.sys   fffff880`0102a000 fffff880`01035000 0x0000b000 0x4ce7a416 20/11/2010 12:33:58            
mrxsmb20.sys   fffff880`091a9000 fffff880`091cd000 0x00024000 0x4db781e9 27/04/2011 04:39:37            
mrxsmb10.sys   fffff880`0915b000 fffff880`091a9000 0x0004e000 0x4db781ec 27/04/2011 04:39:40            
mrxsmb.sys   fffff880`0912e000 fffff880`0915b000 0x0002d000 0x4db78226 27/04/2011 04:40:38            
mpsdrv.sys   fffff880`09116000 fffff880`0912e000 0x00018000 0x4a5bcc79 14/07/2009 02:08:25            
mountmgr.sys   fffff880`00fb5000 fffff880`00fcf000 0x0001a000 0x4ce79299 20/11/2010 11:19:21            
mouhid.sys   fffff880`0923e000 fffff880`0924b000 0x0000d000 0x4a5bca94 14/07/2009 02:00:20            
mouclass.sys   fffff880`053cb000 fffff880`053da000 0x0000f000 0x4a5bc116 14/07/2009 01:19:50            
monitor.sys   fffff880`09200000 fffff880`0920e000 0x0000e000 0x4a5bc58c 14/07/2009 01:38:52            
mcupdate_GenuineIntel.dll   fffff880`00c68000 fffff880`00cb7000 0x0004f000 0x4ce7c737 20/11/2010 15:03:51            
luafv.sys   fffff880`04c94000 fffff880`04cb7000 0x00023000 0x4a5bc295 14/07/2009 01:26:13            
lltdio.sys   fffff880`04fea000 fffff880`04fff000 0x00015000 0x4a5bcc92 14/07/2009 02:08:50            
ksthunk.sys   fffff880`0955c000 fffff880`09561200 0x00005200 0x4a5bca93 14/07/2009 02:00:19            
ksecpkg.sys   fffff880`0196e000 fffff880`01999000 0x0002b000 0x4ce79e9a 20/11/2010 12:10:34            
ksecdd.sys   fffff880`01600000 fffff880`0161b000 0x0001b000 0x4ce7930b 20/11/2010 11:21:15            
ks.sys   fffff880`101b7000 fffff880`101fa000 0x00043000 0x4ce7a3f3 20/11/2010 12:33:23            
kdcom.dll   fffff800`00b98000 fffff800`00ba2000 0x0000a000 0x4d4d8061 05/02/2011 18:52:49            
kbdclass.sys   fffff880`07177000 fffff880`07186000 0x0000f000 0x4a5bc116 14/07/2009 01:19:50            
intelppm.sys   fffff880`05200000 fffff880`05216000 0x00016000 0x4a5bc0fd 14/07/2009 01:19:25            
IntcDAud.sys   fffff880`09562000 fffff880`095b5000 0x00053000 0x4cb810a1 15/10/2010 10:28:17            
igdkmd64.sys   fffff880`05a18000 fffff880`065c9bc0 0x00bb1bc0 0x4d8d3eb7 26/03/2011 03:17:43            
idmwfp.sys   fffff880`091cd000 fffff880`091f6000 0x00029000 0x4df0ead4 09/06/2011 17:46:28            
iaStor.sys   fffff880`0104f000 fffff880`013f1000 0x003a2000 0x4dd69c48 20/05/2011 18:52:24            
i8042prt.sys   fffff880`07159000 fffff880`07177000 0x0001e000 0x4a5bc11d 14/07/2009 01:19:57            
hwpolicy.sys   fffff880`01d99000 fffff880`01da2000 0x00009000 0x4ce7927e 20/11/2010 11:18:54            
HTTP.sys   fffff880`0902f000 fffff880`090f8000 0x000c9000 0x4ce793ce 20/11/2010 11:24:30            
hidusb.sys   fffff880`0920e000 fffff880`0921c000 0x0000e000 0x4ce7a665 20/11/2010 12:43:49            
HIDPARSE.SYS   fffff880`09235000 fffff880`0923d080 0x00008080 0x4a5bcbf9 14/07/2009 02:06:17            
HIDCLASS.SYS   fffff880`0921c000 fffff880`09235000 0x00019000 0x4ce7a665 20/11/2010 12:43:49            
HDAudBus.sys   fffff880`065db000 fffff880`065ff000 0x00024000 0x4ce7a65e 20/11/2010 12:43:42            
hal.dll   fffff800`02e06000 fffff800`02e4f000 0x00049000 0x4ce7c669 20/11/2010 15:00:25            
GEARAspiWDM.sys   fffff880`053da000 fffff880`053e7000 0x0000d000 0x4a1151c0 18/05/2009 14:17:04            
fwpkclnt.sys   fffff880`01c9a000 fffff880`01ce4000 0x0004a000 0x4ce79321 20/11/2010 11:21:37            
fvevol.sys   fffff880`01da2000 fffff880`01ddc000 0x0003a000 0x4ce793b6 20/11/2010 11:24:06            
Fs_Rec.sys   fffff880`0162c000 fffff880`01636000 0x0000a000 0x4a5bc111 14/07/2009 01:19:45            
fltmgr.sys   fffff880`01444000 fffff880`01490000 0x0004c000 0x4ce7929c 20/11/2010 11:19:24            
fileinfo.sys   fffff880`01490000 fffff880`014a4000 0x00014000 0x4a5bc481 14/07/2009 01:34:25            
fastfat.SYS   fffff880`0c312000 fffff880`0c348000 0x00036000 0x4a5bc1f0 14/07/2009 01:23:28            
dxgmms1.sys   fffff880`10171000 fffff880`101b7000 0x00046000 0x4ce799c1 20/11/2010 11:49:53            
dxgkrnl.sys   fffff880`1007d000 fffff880`10171000 0x000f4000 0x4ce799fa 20/11/2010 11:50:50            
Dxapi.sys   fffff880`095d0000 fffff880`095dc000 0x0000c000 0x4a5bc574 14/07/2009 01:38:28            
dump_iaStor.sys   fffff880`0402a000 fffff880`043cc000 0x003a2000 0x4dd69c48 20/05/2011 18:52:24            
dump_dumpfve.sys   fffff880`095ea000 fffff880`095fd000 0x00013000 0x4a5bc18f 14/07/2009 01:21:51            
drmk.sys   fffff880`0953a000 fffff880`0955c000 0x00022000 0x4a5bd8e5 14/07/2009 03:01:25            
disk.sys   fffff880`01ddc000 fffff880`01df2000 0x00016000 0x4a5bc11d 14/07/2009 01:19:57            
discache.sys   fffff880`04c68000 fffff880`04c77000 0x0000f000 0x4a5bc52e 14/07/2009 01:37:18            
dfsc.sys   fffff880`04f3f000 fffff880`04f5d000 0x0001e000 0x4ce79447 20/11/2010 11:26:31            
csc.sys   fffff880`04ebc000 fffff880`04f3f000 0x00083000 0x4ce79470 20/11/2010 11:27:12            
crashdmp.sys   fffff880`095dc000 fffff880`095ea000 0x0000e000 0x4a5bcabd 14/07/2009 02:01:01            
CompositeBus.sys   fffff880`05216000 fffff880`05226000 0x00010000 0x4ce7a3ed 20/11/2010 12:33:17            
compbatt.sys   fffff880`00f8b000 fffff880`00f94000 0x00009000 0x4a5bc3b6 14/07/2009 01:31:02            
cng.sys   fffff880`01502000 fffff880`01574000 0x00072000 0x4ce79e2d 20/11/2010 12:08:45            
CmBatt.sys   fffff880`053e7000 fffff880`053eb500 0x00004500 0x4a5bc3b7 14/07/2009 01:31:03            
CLFS.SYS   fffff880`00ccb000 fffff880`00d29000 0x0005e000 0x4a5bc11d 14/07/2009 01:19:57            
CLASSPNP.SYS   fffff880`01a00000 fffff880`01a30000 0x00030000 0x4ce7929b 20/11/2010 11:19:23            
CI.dll   fffff880`00d29000 fffff880`00de9000 0x000c0000 0x4ce7c944 20/11/2010 15:12:36            
cdrom.sys   fffff880`04000000 fffff880`0402a000 0x0002a000 0x4ce79298 20/11/2010 11:19:20            
cdd.dll   fffff960`006f0000 fffff960`00717000 0x00027000 0x00000000              
bowser.sys   fffff880`090f8000 fffff880`09116000 0x0001e000 0x4d649328 23/02/2011 06:55:04            
blbdrive.sys   fffff880`04f5d000 fffff880`04f6e000 0x00011000 0x4a5bc4df 14/07/2009 01:35:59            
Beep.SYS   fffff880`030d5000 fffff880`030dc000 0x00007000 0x4a5bca8d 14/07/2009 02:00:13            
BATTC.SYS   fffff880`00f94000 fffff880`00fa0000 0x0000c000 0x4a5bc3b5 14/07/2009 01:31:01            
ataport.SYS   fffff880`01000000 fffff880`0102a000 0x0002a000 0x4ce79293 20/11/2010 11:19:15            
atapi.sys   fffff880`013f1000 fffff880`013fa000 0x00009000 0x4a5bc113 14/07/2009 01:19:47            
aswTdi.SYS   fffff880`03185000 fffff880`03193000 0x0000e000 0x4e11a57e 04/07/2011 13:35:26            
aswSP.SYS   fffff880`04f6e000 fffff880`04fbb000 0x0004d000 0x4e11a5d4 04/07/2011 13:36:52            
aswSnx.SYS   fffff880`03034000 fffff880`030cc000 0x00098000 0x4e11a5d7 04/07/2011 13:36:55            
aswRdr.SYS   fffff880`03193000 fffff880`0319d000 0x0000a000 0x4e11a4d1 04/07/2011 13:32:33            
aswMonFlt.sys   fffff880`01a3e000 fffff880`01a78000 0x0003a000 0x4e11a4c7 04/07/2011 13:32:23            
aswFsBlk.SYS   fffff880`0924b000 fffff880`09254000 0x00009000 0x4e11a4bd 04/07/2011 13:32:13            
amdxata.sys   fffff880`00fcf000 fffff880`00fda000 0x0000b000 0x4ba3a3ca 19/03/2010 18:18:18            
AgileVpn.sys   fffff880`05226000 fffff880`0523c000 0x00016000 0x4a5bccf0 14/07/2009 02:10:24            
afd.sys   fffff880`01574000 fffff880`015fd000 0x00089000 0x4db4dd96 25/04/2011 04:33:58            
ACPI.sys   fffff880`00ecc000 fffff880`00f23000 0x00057000 0x4ce79294 20/11/2010 11:19:16
Uso Zone Alarm e Avast, non so se può dipendere da uno di loro o da qualche driver errato o se è causato da qualche driver che non ho installato (magari di qualche periferica che non uso e quindi di cui non ho bisogno..) o altro...

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